List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[BrisVegasDru]

Replace him with Jacob Blight unbelievably delisted by Richmond. The guy has excellent skills and height.

Reckon he can chop out in the ruck too, amazed he was delisted maybe other issues but think he's 25 and their new core are so young

 

[twhowler]

Blight and Reeves would be great cheap options for us to bolster depth where we need it.

I think we need to spend the pre season having a think about our best side and structure given the changes that will happen. And that just has to include a conversation about Charlie Cameron

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Charlie Cameron

Age

31

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

.

The thing is he was not in the top 100 paid players implying he is on $650k or less. Therefore he went for length of contract over annual pay. If you are going to do that and want to play until 34yo, you have to be ready to play your role and change that role. Now is that time.

I know people talk about the key role Linc played. But Charlie first got a game with manic tackling pressure. He has lost some speed but is still quicker than most especially over his first 5-10m. So he needs to say, my number one role is pressure, tackling, keeping the ball in our 50. Stop playing for frees. Stop thinking I am the man I need goals.

Fagan needs to help make this happen. He is a great man manager.

 

[Elixuh]

Really trying to hold fire on my thoughts about where our list, particular player are at.

We could be carrying as many as half a dozen dud contracts next year, not including long term injured players.

What would you have us do, Briztoon.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

Oscar's body seems cooked, Fort is 103 years old, Smith needs more time to develop, Gawn will probably stay at the Dees, and Joe ain't coming back...

Oh, and we're not going to play Dunkley in the ruck....

Draper.

Joe ain't coming back ... ??

Wash your mouth out !

 

[Nunez]

Blight looked a great prospect - with Hipwood out I would 100% take him as a delisted FA if we can.

 

[Section 5]

We won 16 games this year! Finished 3rd despite the hardest draw in living memory!

Had to spend all our petrol tickets to do it so we are cooked now but seriously. List is in good shape, well set up to contend for a while yet.

I am all positive regarding this year's H & A result.
And more importantly i am still reasonably confident we can advance further this year.
We are in the premiership window now because we get a second chance W2 of finals.

I am talking about the list shape for year 2026 including key long-term injuries we have suffered since round 14 of 2025.

Unlikely to play the early to middle rounds of 2026. Payne, Answerth, Hipwood. Starcevich and Ah-Chee could be gone.
Who knows the return dates on Coleman, McCarthy, Doedee. They may never regain their previous form
Berry likely to require surgery on shoulder again. It's hard to keep up with how many surgeries on shoulders he's had.
Neales age and calf issues are a possible worry to.
Zorko turns 37, the end is close
Cameron turns 32, and i hope he has 3 good games left in him this year.
But he has just become a goal opportunist now. We can always hope for a turnaround but that's unlikely i recon.
Lester is 33. Playing well but still 33.
Day 33, Oscar 31, Gardiner 30 (1 ACL), McKenna 30

The incoming players trades being mentioned have injury history to: Allen, Draper & Ridley.

With all the injuries that will be carried over to 2026 i have grave doubts now on year 2026.
Another injury run and we start to fall into the Bombers territory of 2025

If we retain Starcevich that will help greatly, and Ah-Chee will also.
However, these players will now be looking at our possible starting lineup for early 2026 and that may influence their decision.
I see Ah-Chee who turns 28 next month going for a final payday. I would too.

Posters have mentioned that Allen and Draper won't cost anything.
That not completely true. They will cost salary cap space which we will need to retain other good players

 

[lionshine]

I am all positive regarding this year's H & A result.
And more importantly i am still reasonably confident we can advance further this year.
We are in the premiership window now because we get a second chance W2 of finals.

I am talking about the list shape for year 2026 including key long-term injuries we have suffered since round 14 of 2025.

Unlikely to play the early to middle rounds of 2026. Payne, Answerth, Hipwood. Starcevich and Ah-Chee could be gone.
Who knows the return dates on Coleman, McCarthy, Doedee. They may never regain their previous form
Berry likely to require surgery on shoulder again. It's hard to keep up with how many surgeries on shoulders he's had.
Neales age and calf issues are a possible worry to.
Zorko turns 37, the end is close
Cameron turns 32, and i hope he has 3 good games left in him this year.
But he has just become a goal opportunist now. We can always hope for a turnaround but that's unlikely i recon.
Lester is 33. Playing well but still 33.
Day 33, Oscar 31, Gardiner 30 (1 ACL), McKenna 30

The incoming players trades being mentioned have injury history to: Allen, Draper & Ridley.

With all the injuries that will be carried over to 2026 i have grave doubts now on year 2026.
Another injury run and we start to fall into the Bombers territory of 2025

If we retain Starcevich that will help greatly, and Ah-Chee will also.
However, these players will now be looking at our possible starting lineup for early 2026 and that may influence their decision.
I see Ah-Chee who turns 28 next month going for a final payday. I would too.

Posters have mentioned that Allen and Draper won't cost anything.
That not completely true. They will cost salary cap space which we will need to retain other good players

Is the bolded true though? We bring in Allen, Draper and possibly Ridley but will likely/have lost the following players: Daniher, Ah Chee, Starcevich.

Allen and Draper will likely be front loaded over the first couple years as well freeing up more room to move when the young guns are out of contract in 2027.

In addition to that, Hipwood and Payne signed on for lesser dollar values preferring the security of longer term deals. Neale, Zorko, McInerney, Lester and Cameron either finishing up over the next 12-24 months or are no longer on massive money(Front loaded deals likely). In addition to the outgoing players on decent coin, the salary cap has increased and we’ve managed to sign/retain the likes of Dunkley, McClugagge, Andrews and Rayner on deals that aren’t 1.2m plus a year like other clubs are now throwing around to re-sign their guns (NWM, LDU, Rozee and Butters).

This should leave plenty of room to re-sign guys like Bailey, Wilmot, Morris, Lohmann and WAshcroft over the next few years. Fletcher has already signed to 2030 thankfully as he easily could have signed short term and worked towards a massive offer from another team. Whether these younger guys prefer to take up ridiculous offers in the range of 1.5-2m per year from other clubs is another matter but we won’t be losing them because we have no cash to get within a reasonable counter offer/s. Sure we won’t have the ability to offer them all 2m deals per year but no club in the league could afford to pay 5 of their players 2m per year each so if clubs came for Morris, Wilmot, Wash at 2m per year and we lost all of them the silver lining is we’d be able to go after some quality opposition players ourselves.

 

[braddsey]

Is the bolded true though? We bring in Allen, Draper and possibly Ridley but will likely/have lost the following players: Daniher, Ah Chee, Starcevich.

Allen and Draper will likely be front loaded over the first couple years as well freeing up more room to move when the young guns are out of contract in 2027.

In addition to that, Hipwood and Payne signed on for lesser dollar values preferring the security of longer term deals. Neale, Zorko, McInerney, Lester and Cameron either finishing up over the next 12-24 months or are no longer on massive money(Front loaded deals likely). In addition to the outgoing players on decent coin, the salary cap has increased and we’ve managed to sign/retain the likes of Dunkley, McClugagge, Andrews and Rayner on deals that aren’t 1.2m plus a year like other clubs are now throwing around to re-sign their guns (NWM, LDU, Rozee and Butters).

This should leave plenty of room to re-sign guys like Bailey, Wilmot, Morris, Lohmann and WAshcroft over the next few years. Fletcher has already signed to 2030 thankfully as he easily could have signed short term and worked towards a massive offer from another team. Whether these younger guys prefer to take up ridiculous offers in the range of 1.5-2m per year from other clubs is another matter but we won’t be losing them because we have no cash to get within a reasonable counter offer/s. Sure we won’t have the ability to offer them all 2m deals per year but no club in the league could afford to pay 5 of their players 2m per year each so if clubs came for Morris, Wilmot, Wash at 2m per year and we lost all of them the silver lining is we’d be able to go after some quality opposition players ourselves.

We won’t sign any player to $2m/year until the cap rises further. It throws out the team balance. If it comes to that we’ll have to say goodbye, and then take that $2m and distribute to the rest of the boys, or get in some replacement quality at $1.1m.

 

[guidodp15]

Neale want's out, what would you guys want for him (not that we'd take him)

 

[Surly Boy]

Neale want's out, what would you guys want for him (not that we'd take him)

Say what now?

 

[Nathan Barley]

Neale want's out, what would you guys want for him (not that we'd take him)

Someone from a team that can win finals

 

[Lions2Good]

Neale want's out, what would you guys want for him (not that we'd take him)

We'll take Patrick Voss now that we are no longer dealing with Peter Bell

 

[M Malice]

We definitely have the bones of a top 4 contending team over the medium to long term IMO, with astute trading we should be able to become Geelong like in regards to this.

Long term > Under 23 years old and already in our best 22- Levi Ashcroft, Logan Morris, Will Ashcroft, Jaspa Fletcher, Darcy Wilmot, Kai Lohmann + Sam Marshall on the verge and Daniel Annable a decent shot at it in 2026.

I don't think losing Ah Chee would have too much of an affect on our 2026 chances, however I really want to keep Starcevich, he is elite at what he does.

 

[M Malice]

Neale want's out, what would you guys want for him (not that we'd take him)

You want us to lose him and then play the Lions as one of your double up games don't you?

 

[lionshine]

We won’t sign any player to $2m/year until the cap rises further. It throws out the team balance. If it comes to that we’ll have to say goodbye, and then take that $2m and distribute to the rest of the boys, or get in some replacement quality at $1.1m.

Completely agree

 

[Elixuh]

Neale want's out, what would you guys want for him (not that we'd take him)

I want to death ride a team in 2026, so your future first and we will give you a later pick coming back.

Bonus points if you sign on Justin Snoremuir on a long term deal.

 

[GenericUsername202]

Neale has been trying to get back to perth for ages, and it took a lot of effort from the club to keep him last time. This time, I would actually be happy to let him leave. His value would be a lot higher this year then it would next, and it would give us a huge salary cap relief to sign long term deals to our other players. Love the guy and he's a legend of the club, but we have so many mids (with another one coming through the academy) that someone simply has to leave.

 

[mattsmob]

If Neale wants to leave I think it makes sense to let him go. Been great for the club and would give us an easier way to restructure the list by getting Allen, Draper and Ridley without compromising some of the contract extensions coming up.

Think we’re due for a list restructure at some point and this off-season is as good a time as any.

 

[Elixuh]

Neale has been trying to get back to perth for ages, and it took a lot of effort from the club to keep him last time. This time, I would actually be happy to let him leave. His value would be a lot higher this year then it would next, and it would give us a huge salary cap relief to sign long term deals to our other players. Love the guy and he's a legend of the club, but we have so many mids (with another one coming through the academy) that someone simply has to leave.

I don’t see how a deal gets done unless he wants to leave and the club want the cap space.

I personally have no issue letting him go if he wants to go.

WCE may like him given they got Reid to extend a short deal. You’ll still get 2 good years out of Neale at least, so long as his body holds up.

 

[mattsmob]

I don’t see how a deal gets done unless he wants to leave and the club want the cap space.

I personally have no issue letting him go if he wants to go.

WCE may like him given they got Reid to extend a short deal. You’ll still get 2 good years out of Neale at least, so long as his body holds up.

Look forward to West Coast fans telling us he’s only worth a pick in the 60’s and a spearmint milk

 

[Nathan Barley]

I don’t see how a deal gets done unless he wants to leave and the club want the cap space.

I personally have no issue letting him go if he wants to go.

WCE may like him given they got Reid to extend a short deal. You’ll still get 2 good years out of Neale at least, so long as his body holds up.

Or if he wants to go to Victoria to set himself up for when he retires and Essendon makes a big offer

 

[Saucery]

We definitely have the bones of a top 4 contending team over the medium to long term IMO, with astute trading we should be able to become Geelong like in regards to this.

Long term > Under 23 years old and already in our best 22- Levi Ashcroft, Logan Morris, Will Ashcroft, Jaspa Fletcher, Darcy Wilmot, Kai Lohmann + Sam Marshall on the verge and Daniel Annable a decent shot at it in 2026.

I don't think losing Ah Chee would have too much of an affect on our 2026 chances, however I really want to keep Starcevich, he is elite at what he does.

All five of Brisbane’s eligible young guns have been named in the AFL Players’ Association’s final 22Under22 team, with the competition’s brightest young stars compiled into one side.

The quintet of Will Ashcroft, Logan Morris, Jaspa Fletcher, Levi Ashcroft and Darcy Wilmot all made the fan-voted side.

Contending quintet’s MASSIVE statement; star Hawk snubbed: Final 22Under22 team revealed

Contending force’s massive statement; star Hawk snubbed: Final 22Under22 team revealed

www.foxsports.com.au

Plus, Kai, Ty, Sam, Daniel and some others and we are looking at ten years' worth of finals participation and then some. OK that's enough gloating.... for now.

 

[Elixuh]

Look forward to West Coast fans telling us he’s only worth a pick in the 60’s and a spearmint milk

iF yOu DoNt TrAdE hIM fOr PiCk 60 We BiD oN AnNaBlE

Or if he wants to go to Victoria to set himself up for when he retires and Essendon makes a big offer

That’s the dream

 

[Tom14]

Is this year 5 of hearing the ‘Neale wants out!!!’ stuff from “connected” WA bigfooty posters? Yawn.

 

[Section 5]

Is the bolded true though? We bring in Allen, Draper and possibly Ridley but will likely/have lost the following players: Daniher, Ah Chee, Starcevich.

Allen and Draper will likely be front loaded over the first couple years as well freeing up more room to move when the young guns are out of contract in 2027.

In addition to that, Hipwood and Payne signed on for lesser dollar values preferring the security of longer term deals. Neale, Zorko, McInerney, Lester and Cameron either finishing up over the next 12-24 months or are no longer on massive money(Front loaded deals likely). In addition to the outgoing players on decent coin, the salary cap has increased and we’ve managed to sign/retain the likes of Dunkley, McClugagge, Andrews and Rayner on deals that aren’t 1.2m plus a year like other clubs are now throwing around to re-sign their guns (NWM, LDU, Rozee and Butters).

This should leave plenty of room to re-sign guys like Bailey, Wilmot, Morris, Lohmann and WAshcroft over the next few years. Fletcher has already signed to 2030 thankfully as he easily could have signed short term and worked towards a massive offer from another team. Whether these younger guys prefer to take up ridiculous offers in the range of 1.5-2m per year from other clubs is another matter but we won’t be losing them because we have no cash to get within a reasonable counter offer/s. Sure we won’t have the ability to offer them all 2m deals per year but no club in the league could afford to pay 5 of their players 2m per year each so if clubs came for Morris, Wilmot, Wash at 2m per year and we lost all of them the silver lining is we’d be able to go after some quality opposition players ourselves.

I was just saying they will cost us money and they will. How much we will find out soon enough.

You have made some valid points regarding some players contracts.
However, most clubs have to pay a minimum cap %, with some able to bank some during bad years.
We have not had bad years for a while.
So, i think it would not take too much to put us close to the cap. But only each club and the AFL would know.
So far the Lions have been sensible regarding player payments.