List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[mattsmob]

Regarding whom is available.
In 2026 Ned Reeves (turned 27 in October) is listed on footywire as an RFA. Nankervis (just turned 31) is a UFA.
There is always the yearly ruck merry go round, so the club could seek someone out during season 2026

Assuming we get Draper I don’t think we’ll need to be involved in the ruck merry go round for a while. Fort and Smith is very good depth for the ruck position.

I hope that in next years trade period we can take a break from the usual trade ins/ FA pick ups and do some work in the draft without needing to match high bids. Been a couple years since the draft team have been able to go to work with a first round pick or two and they’ve had a pretty good record.

 

[p4p1]

Draft Guru have decided Allen is a Lion.

But no jumping the gun on Draper yet.

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There is no way that Allen is 'only' 191cm

 

[briztoon]

There is no way that Allen is 'only' 191cm

Pretty sure that was his measurement at his draft combine.

A lot of West Coast fans are adamant that he’s grown to 195cm in the two years after his draft.

West Coast’s website list him at 196cm.

 

[Darren Downunder]

I was in this camp earlier but considering out high ladder finishes, we are left with the option of trying our luck with some late picks or picking up fringe from opposition list and hope they turn out to be good. Either do that or take the route the club list management is taking now - recruit players who've shown some good traits in their career but having an interrupted injury run lately.

Not sure which way it'll turn out but I think our choices are limited on this front. I believe our draft work is done now from midfield perspective, any key position via draft will take 3-4 years, especially ruck. That person could also turn out to be Henry Smith in the end whom we're struggling with. If we whittle down all options - what we are trying is the most likely route for us at this stage.

This 100%
Due to luck and brilliant drafting we have an exception core of very young players
We can ask them to wait around while we bottom out
Or else we can roll the dice and try to bring in missing pieces to make another premiership tilt
We may not succeed but if we don’t try
I fear that our young stars will look elsewhere.
Go big, or go home!
Go Lions!

 

[M Malice]

I hope that in next years trade period we can take a break from the usual trade ins/ FA pick ups and do some work in the draft without needing to match high bids. Been a couple years since the draft team have been able to go to work with a first round pick or two and they’ve had a pretty good record.

Caylen Murray and Matthew Owen, our academy boys next year, both midfielders, not necessarily "high bids" as it is a long way out and a lot could happen in a kids draft year but could be first rounders. I've seen very little of both but from what I have and some reports on them would prefer Caylen Murray if we can only match 1 of them due to potential new matching bids rules.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

If we've still got Fort and Smith next year, then it buys time for Draper to not be rushed in before he's made a full recovery and is fit enough to play at AFL level. Also gives Smith more time to develop and hopefully improve.

Draper may not work out and that's a risk you take, but you are taking it with every recruit to some degree.

Surely the medical team will carry out the necessary due diligence before he's offered a contract.

It's got to be worth the risk because:
we need to replace Oscar with a mature ruckman, and
Draper has reasonable potential to be a better player at the Lions than he's been at Essendon.

 

[mattsmob]

Caylen Murray and Matthew Owen, our academy boys next year, both midfielders, not necessarily "high bids" as it is a long way out and a lot could happen in a kids draft year but could be first rounders. I've seen very little of both but from what I have and some reports on them would prefer Caylen Murray if we can only match 1 of them due to potential new matching bids rules.

Yeah haven’t seen heaps of either but from the limited stuff I’ve seen I think if we really wanted we’d be able to get a pick or two in ahead of their bids. Like the look of Murray but don’t think he’s a sure thing for the first round next year

 

[p4p1]

This 100%
Due to luck and brilliant drafting we have an exception core of very young players
We can ask them to wait around while we bottom out
Or else we can roll the dice and try to bring in missing pieces to make another premiership tilt
We may not succeed but if we don’t try
I fear that our young stars will look elsewhere.
Go big, or go home!
Go Lions!

I think our problem if we bottom out is that despite a better culture, there is a danger of ending up like we were last decade when no one wanted to come to Brisbane and everyone wanted to leave.

 

[Section 5]

Tuesday's gathering saw 13 clubs meet in East Melbourne a long kick from the MCG, with recruiters and list bosses from Adelaide, Brisbane, Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, Geelong, Gold Coast, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Richmond, Sydney and West Coast in attendance.

Trade talks gather pace as 13 clubs meet in Melbourne

The 2025 Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period is weeks away but the action is gearing up as the majority of the league's clubs meeting near the MCG

www.afl.com.au

 

[BuntonRules]

We exist to win premierships. The only way we could remain in the window is by taking some risk.

That said, with our draft hand, we are blessed that 2 quality players - who fill our exact needs - have chosen Brisbane.

I believe that in our climate, and club environment, both will be better players.

Much preferable to Birchall and the Gunston we got.

 

[M Malice]

Lions injury report from 3.30pm today.

https://www.lions.com.au/news/18900...8fiZ4mh7bmotxGJQjg_aem_PPSt6uV7ynv840gi8crGjw

Brisbane Lions forward Eric Hipwood

30

Eric Hipwood

Age

28

Ht

204cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.3

3star

G

1.5

5star

D

11.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.1

2star

G

1.1

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

8.4

4star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.4

5star

had surgery on his left knee on Tuesday as he begins his recovery ahead of the 2026 season.

As confirmed last week, it was recommended Hipwood have surgery to repair a partial tearing of his repaired ACL.
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They got in a did that surgery very quick, I wonder if a "partial tearing" of an ACL is as long a recovery as a complete tear?

 

[BangyBangy]

Lions injury report from 3.30pm today.

https://www.lions.com.au/news/18900...8fiZ4mh7bmotxGJQjg_aem_PPSt6uV7ynv840gi8crGjw

Brisbane Lions forward Eric Hipwood had surgery on his left knee on Tuesday as he begins his recovery ahead of the 2026 season.

As confirmed last week, it was recommended Hipwood have surgery to repair a partial tearing of his repaired ACL.
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They got in a did that surgery very quick, I wonder if a "partial tearing" of an ACL is as long a recovery as a complete tear?

No it's not. I found that out on Chat GPT.

Also got some tips on neurosurgery, if anyone needs any discount procedures done give me a hoy hoy!!!!

 

[Perrip]

Frog to play on next year according to the Herald Sun

Brisbane defender Ryan Lester

35

Ryan Lester

Age

33

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

170.4

3star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

140.7

3star

D

12.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

0.6

3star

will tick off his eighth one-year contract shortly

 

[M Malice]

No it's not. I found that out on Chat GPT.

Also got some tips on neurosurgery, if anyone needs any discount procedures done give me a hoy hoy!!!!

I should have done that myself >

AI Overview

No, a partial ACL tear generally has a shorter recovery time than a complete tear, with partial tears often resolving in 3 to 6 months without surgery, while complete ACL tears usually require surgery and a recovery period of 6 to 12 months or more. The key factor is whether surgery is needed; if a partial tear causes instability, surgery may be required, extending the recovery timeline.

 

[Thomasno]

Tuesday's gathering saw 13 clubs meet in East Melbourne a long kick from the MCG, with recruiters and list bosses from Adelaide, Brisbane, Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, Geelong, Gold Coast, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Richmond, Sydney and West Coast in attendance.

Trade talks gather pace as 13 clubs meet in Melbourne

The 2025 Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period is weeks away but the action is gearing up as the majority of the league's clubs meeting near the MCG

www.afl.com.au

Ah yes, St Kilda and Fremantle too busy throwing tantrums on the AFLs doorstep to be there

 

[Darren Downunder]

I should have done that myself >

AI Overview

No, a partial ACL tear generally has a shorter recovery time than a complete tear, with partial tears often resolving in 3 to 6 months without surgery, while complete ACL tears usually require surgery and a recovery period of 6 to 12 months or more. The key factor is whether surgery is needed; if a partial tear causes instability, surgery may be required, extending the recovery timeline.

But Hippy’s partial tear required surgery, so does that mean 6 to 12 months?

 

[mighty_lions]

I should have done that myself >

AI Overview

No, a partial ACL tear generally has a shorter recovery time than a complete tear, with partial tears often resolving in 3 to 6 months without surgery, while complete ACL tears usually require surgery and a recovery period of 6 to 12 months or more. The key factor is whether surgery is needed; if a partial tear causes instability, surgery may be required, extending the recovery timeline.

It depends what has happened, assuming its his repaired ACL and he has a tear in the graft, I would think its going to be the same recovery time, basically having another reco

Partial tears to normal ACLS dont usually work with just rehab, I assume hes having another graft in the knee unless they can fix it which I doubt

 

[mighty_lions]

But Hippy’s partial tear required surgery, so does that mean 6 to 12 months?

I would assume its another full reco so 9-10months

 

[braddsey]

Lions injury report from 3.30pm today.

https://www.lions.com.au/news/18900...8fiZ4mh7bmotxGJQjg_aem_PPSt6uV7ynv840gi8crGjw

Brisbane Lions forward Eric Hipwood had surgery on his left knee on Tuesday as he begins his recovery ahead of the 2026 season.

As confirmed last week, it was recommended Hipwood have surgery to repair a partial tearing of his repaired ACL.
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They got in a did that surgery very quick, I wonder if a "partial tearing" of an ACL is as long a recovery as a complete tear?

Damn there's some quality on that injury list. I hope they can all make it past 100 games.

Player	Injury	Estimated Return	Games Played	Debut Year
9. Lachie Neale	Calf	Season	293​	2012​
30. Eric Hipwood	Knee	Season	199​	2016​
12. Tom Doedee	Wrist	Season	83​	2018​
18. Keidean Coleman	Quad	Season	66​	2020​
43. Noah Answerth	Achilles	Season	88​	2019​
11. Lincoln McCarthy	Knee	Season	151​	2012​
40. Jack Payne	Knee	Season	81​	2020​

 

[M Malice]

Damn there's some quality on that injury list. I hope they can all make it past 100 games.

Player	Injury	Estimated Return	Games Played	Debut Year
9. Lachie Neale	Calf	Season	293​	2012​
30. Eric Hipwood	Knee	Season	199​	2016​
12. Tom Doedee	Wrist	Season	83​	2018​
18. Keidean Coleman	Quad	Season	66​	2020​
43. Noah Answerth	Achilles	Season	88​	2019​
11. Lincoln McCarthy	Knee	Season	151​	2012​
40. Jack Payne	Knee	Season	81​	2020​

Everyone of those players near their best career form makes our side better.. 1/3 of a fully fit side.

Maybe Tom Doedee even with his best form struggles to oust Froggy.

 

[RoyBoy17]

I would assume its another full reco so 9-10months

Correct, they use a new graft so it would be the standard timeframe.

 

[BangyBangy]

Everyone of those players near their best career form makes our side better.. 1/3 of a fully fit side.

Maybe Tom Doedee even with his best form struggles to oust Froggy.

Not sure you can demonstrate sufficient form in the 2's to oust Frog.

Would need an injury.

Again, happy for Doedee to stay on the park and play half a year in the 2's next year. If opportunities present & you've stayed fit and injury free then giddyup.

 

[Saucery]

Just wondering about the recruiting past injury prone players but are they all the same position/type? I don't think the Riddler thing has wings for what it's worth, just white noise. A lot of belly aching coming from Tulla these days. From what I can tell both Allen and Draper are above average AFL grade players when available so worth the punt in areas we have little developmental coverage atm. We are going to be contending for the next decade so if the recruiting department believe they can contribute then I'm onboard.

 

[Sproj]

Just wondering about the recruiting past injury prone players but are they all the same position/type? I don't think the Riddler thing has wings for what it's worth, just white noise. A lot of belly aching coming from Tulla these days. From what I can tell both Allen and Draper are above average AFL grade players when available so worth the punt in areas we have little developmental coverage atm. We are going to be contending for the next decade so if the recruiting department believe they can contribute then I'm onboard.

And given how many gun youngsters we have as well, plugging these gaps around them allows us to draft further kids and provide them time to simmer away in the background without having to come in not yet ready.

 

[BangyBangy]

Just wondering about the recruiting past injury prone players but are they all the same position/type? I don't think the Riddler thing has wings for what it's worth, just white noise. A lot of belly aching coming from Tulla these days. From what I can tell both Allen and Draper are above average AFL grade players when available so worth the punt in areas we have little developmental coverage atm. We are going to be contending for the next decade so if the recruiting department believe they can contribute then I'm onboard.

I think Ridley is a lot more than white noise. 110% for real for mine, it just comes down to whether a mutually beneficial outcome can be reached with what levers both clubs can pull (in conjunction with a few other clubs more than likely).

You might have a few clubs in trade time that are just a dick to deal with. But I reckon the real professional clubs just work together & see what they can work out.

More than impressed with our back end departments over the last few years. No reason to doubt them now. They have all the medical records of the potential inbound players & we haven't been a club to overpay any players, so I have no reason to go chicken little and fear the worst.