List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[Maverick]

Petracca choosing GC over Crom is great for us. Time for Dom to shake them down for that first round pick.

100%.

We really need 1st round picks for next year for Murray/Owen.

Although hard to predict exactly where they will land need to plan in advance due to rule changes for academies.

What’s a fair trade for Ah Chee?

I think:
Brisbane receives: Adelaide 2026 pick 1 : probably ranges 12-18.
Crows receive: Ah Chee and Brisbane 2026 pick 2 : probably ranges: 32-36

 

[Tom14]

100%.

We really need 1st round picks for next year for Murray/Owen.

Although hard to predict exactly where they will land need to plan in advance due to rule changes for academies.

What’s a fair trade for Ah Chee?

I think:
Brisbane receives: Adelaide 2026 pick 1 : probably ranges 12-18.
Crows receive: Ah Chee and Brisbane 2026 pick 2 : probably ranges: 32-36

Future 2 is appropriate imo but let’s get funky.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I also guess the passive attitude and blasé acceptance of Starcevich and Ah Chee leaving by Fages and the club without much of a fight, I’ll just assume Bailey won’t be here in 2027 if not next year if the right offer comes along given the current attitude of acceptance.

Seems you really have some abandonment issues you should work through.

 

[braddsey]

As it is, I think we are probably 10 (guessing) points a game worse off losing Starc and Ah Chee. Both were extremely important in our defensive game. How do we replace them. Ah Chee is easier but Starc is a bit of a unicorn.

Both are great players, Starce certainly hard to replace and we’re a better team with him, but we managed to win a GF without him for half of this season which we didn’t plan for. I’m sure we can find a player to do his role, or someone who beings other attributes that benefit the team.

Go well boys.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

I think Daicos has already said he would 'talk'. Listening to Nathan Buckley speculate on the type of player they want and the attitude they will have about actually wanting to be there I'd say we loose someone whom is a 'front man' a good media person and a good leader. I'd think Jasper is the one they will come after with the biggest offers.

I think Jasper has the qualities of a top tier midfilder.
His ability to pick a ball up on the run in a swooping action running around two players to do so was something of excellence on Saturday. He has it all.
Reminds me of Josh Kenedy from Sydney in his prime.
Hope we can keep him.

 

[Sproj]

I think Jasper has the qualities of a top tier midfilder.
His ability to pick a ball up on the run in a swooping action running around two players to do so was something of excellence on Saturday. He has it all.
Reminds me of Josh Kenedy from Sydney in his prime.
Hope we can keep him.

Don't we have him locked up for ages already?

 

[Lionwest]

Don't we have him locked up for ages already?

Yes until 2030 or 2031, so not sure Tassie can go after him as one of their 'Free Agent' signings. Would have to be a trade.

 

[Nuggo]

Players come and go lol. If it is a fav player it's OK to be a bit upset. In terms of structure and progress, as long as the talent coming in is the same or hopefully better then that leaving then everything will be ok.

 

[braddsey]

Players come and go lol. If it is a fav player it's OK to be a bit upset. In terms of structure and progress, as long as the talent coming in is the same or hopefully better then that leaving then everything will be ok.

Exactly. Just like Joe Daniher for Sam Day. One-out / one-in, win the premiership!

 

[notliondown]

Pruning and rejuvenation of the list is the only way we stay somewhere near the top of the tree. Sure it sucks when it's your favourite player but no one is irreplaceable. We of all teams should know that given how we've managed to get a second flag with a pretty banged up list.

Starc is a big loss... but also a big risk. Loved him from the minute he took the field but given he has most likely a short time left in the game I don't blame him one bit for taking the best offer he could.

Joe leaving was the end of us last year. Now we have exposed Morris and Gallop to the big time and unearthed some real talent. That's what list renewal does. Won't always work but good clubs find a way.

The cap and success means chances are we will lose a quality player or two every year from here on out... it's sadly inevitable. That's how the system is designed to work. Honestly, it's a feather in our cap.

Acceptance doesn't equate to happiness. It's just reality. I'm proud we are a club that deals with that with dignity and respect.

 

[twhowler]

Quite a lot of change!

I will say at the outset, it's far better than how we ended up after 2004 (and we had been up for a similar amount of time really given we made the finals in 1997 and had the 1998 anomaly). We were very old then and had decided against any sort of planning trying for 4 in a row.

It seems we decided we had to get some more quality talls in, even if it meant we lost some other players. Because in reality we could have paid Ah Chee and Starce more if we were not getting in Draper and Allen. I have no problem with this approach - we are definitely in need of a ruck, and who knows if Gallop will come on.

BUT it does present us with an interesting start to the season I think. Taking a brutal, glass half full and a crack in the side approach, as of Round 1 next year we will be looking at:

GONE 4-5 players who played seniors in 2025
Ah Chee
Starce
Dev
Day
Possibly Oscar retiring

NOT AVAILABLE (and who knows when they will be) 4 players
Draper
Answerth
Payne
Hipwood

MINIMAL PRE-SEASONS 3 players
Berry - yet another shoulder op, could they start to catch up with him?
Dunks - Ankle and shoulder both getting done
Clugga - not sure what is happening with the MCL?

HUGE QUESTION MARKS ON GETTING BACK NEAR TO THEIR BEST 3 players
Doedee
Coleman
McCarthy

GETTING VERY OLD 3 players
Zorko 37yo
Lester 33yo
Neale 32yo but starting to cop some injuries

Okay with the doom and gloom out of the way.

As others have said, there will be opportunities

PLAYERS WHO COULD IMPROVE SIGNIFICANTLY
Levi
Gallop
Marshall
Reville
McKenna (as in bounce back to being a good player)

PLAYERS WHO HAVE NOT HAD MUCH OF A CHANCE BUT SHOWN SOMETHING
Tunstill
Smith (needs a full pre-season)
Brain
McLachlan
Beecken
Annable

Overall i think it looks like an exciting challenge coming up. We are certainly not standing still, and there will be plenty of players in the best 23 that won't have won a flag - that has to be a good thing for our hunger levels.

 

[RoyBoy17]

Both big losses. Ah Chee maybe a bigger loss, can play multiple positions and helps cover mini crisis areas for certain games.

Starc is more one dimensional but plays his specific role better than most in the league.

I'm big on always adding to your mids every year (whether that's the draft or trade period doesn't matter) so knowing we have Annable is a big plus.

Priorities would just be a versatile defender and young project key defender (a future Harris Andrews

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Harris Andrews

Age

28

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.8

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

151.7

2star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.8

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

94.0

2star

would be handy haha) and topping up our medium/ smalls in the forward line.

 

[braddsey]

Pruning and rejuvenation of the list is the only way we stay somewhere near the top of the tree. Sure it sucks when it's your favourite player but no one is irreplaceable. We of all teams should know that given how we've managed to get a second flag with a pretty banged up list.

Starc is a big loss... but also a big risk. Loved him from the minute he took the field but given he has most likely a short time left in the game I don't blame him one bit for taking the best offer he could.

Joe leaving was the end of us last year. Now we have exposed Morris and Gallop to the big time and unearthed some real talent. That's what list renewal does. Won't always work but good clubs find a way.

The cap and success means chances are we will lose a quality player or two every year from here on out... it's sadly inevitable. That's how the system is designed to work. Honestly, it's a feather in our cap.

Acceptance doesn't equate to happiness. It's just reality. I'm proud we are a club that deals with that with dignity and respect.

…and as much as it sucks to have players leave, it’s much better for the fabric of the team to have them leave by their own choice, than be forced to push players out. We may come to that point as our premiership list ages - but you’d think we get a few retirements in the next couple of years which helps with list regeneration.

 

[Nuggo]

The pressure on Draper to perform for selection could be the making of him.

 

[Nuggo]

…and as much as it sucks to have players leave, it’s much better for the fabric of the team to have them leave by their own choice, than be forced to push players out. We may come to that point as our premiership list ages - but you’d think we get a few retirements in the next couple of years which helps with list regeneration.

Not entirely as some underperforming players need to be moved on, however, the culture should that every player that has played for the Lions should be celebrated and they should leave knowing it means something. Also helping the player in their next move. It is how a club does this that makes a club great. Professionally run clubs around the world do this the best and are usually the clubs most likely to have on field success.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Common theme from various club identities at the B&F, both on stage and in casual conversation, was on the difficulty we’re going to have holding on to players in forthcoming years.

The salary cap works as it’s meant to when you’re an outpost club.

 

[M Malice]

We have shown this season that we have players that step up and play to our system to a fantastic level.

Marshall, Gallop and Reville played great roles through the finals and could find themselves playing plenty of footy in the reserves in 2026.

Berry, Answerth, Coleman and Payne who playing their best footy are locks in the first 23 + Allen, Draper and possibly Annabel pushing very hard for a senior spot.

I will miss Callum and Brandon but they are not must keep players.

The must keep players IMO- Fletcher, Ashcroft x 2, Wilmot, Lohmann, Morris, Rayner, Payne, Bailey, McCluggage, Berry, Dunkley, Andrews. Even then if a club offered ridiculous money eg Devils, I can not see our club overpaying.

The club would probably like from a list management/salary cap perspective 1 or 2 of Zorko, Lester, Gardiner and Neale(all OOC 2026) to retire after they become 3Peat players in 2026.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Common theme from various club identities at the B&F, both on stage and in casual conversation, was on the difficulty we’re going to have holding on to players in forthcoming years.

The salary cap works as it’s meant to when you’re an outpost club.

And when you're winning grand finals by 10 goals with a handful of best 22 players missing you run deep

Interesting we're still topping up

 

[Tom14]

Common theme from various club identities at the B&F, both on stage and in casual conversation, was on the difficulty we’re going to have holding on to players in forthcoming years.

The salary cap works as it’s meant to when you’re an outpost club.

Don't we have some sponsors who can, you know, find opportunities for some of our guys so that they don't lose out?

 

[GOTHELIONS16]

Thoughts on Jarrod Berry

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Jarrod Berry

Age

27

Ht

193cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

8.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.1

5star

CL

2.9

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

6.2

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

as a Starcevich replacement

At least a plan B if Doedee can’t get on the park.

Edit: I think we forget Dizzy can play on talls and smalls. Payne coming back.

 

[BrisVegasDru]

Quite a lot of change!

I will say at the outset, it's far better than how we ended up after 2004 (and we had been up for a similar amount of time really given we made the finals in 1997 and had the 1998 anomaly). We were very old then and had decided against any sort of planning trying for 4 in a row.

It seems we decided we had to get some more quality talls in, even if it meant we lost some other players. Because in reality we could have paid Ah Chee and Starce more if we were not getting in Draper and Allen. I have no problem with this approach - we are definitely in need of a ruck, and who knows if Gallop will come on.

BUT it does present us with an interesting start to the season I think. Taking a brutal, glass half full and a crack in the side approach, as of Round 1 next year we will be looking at:

GONE 4-5 players who played seniors in 2025
Ah Chee
Starce
Dev
Day
Possibly Oscar retiring

NOT AVAILABLE (and who knows when they will be) 4 players
Draper
Answerth
Payne
Hipwood

MINIMAL PRE-SEASONS 3 players
Berry - yet another shoulder op, could they start to catch up with him?
Dunks - Ankle and shoulder both getting done
Clugga - not sure what is happening with the MCL?

HUGE QUESTION MARKS ON GETTING BACK NEAR TO THEIR BEST 3 players
Doedee
Coleman
McCarthy

GETTING VERY OLD 3 players
Zorko 37yo
Lester 33yo
Neale 32yo but starting to cop some injuries

Okay with the doom and gloom out of the way.

As others have said, there will be opportunities

PLAYERS WHO COULD IMPROVE SIGNIFICANTLY
Levi
Gallop
Marshall
Reville
McKenna (as in bounce back to being a good player)

PLAYERS WHO HAVE NOT HAD MUCH OF A CHANCE BUT SHOWN SOMETHING
Tunstill
Smith (needs a full pre-season)
Brain
McLachlan
Beecken
Annable

Overall i think it looks like an exciting challenge coming up. We are certainly not standing still, and there will be plenty of players in the best 23 that won't have won a flag - that has to be a good thing for our hunger levels.

heard Draper say on the 200 plus podcast that he's about to start running, which seems good news

 

[Nathan Barley]

Thoughts on Jarrod Berry as a Starcevich replacement

At least a plan B if Doedee can’t get on the park.

No

 

[scoman]

Thoughts on Jarrod Berry as a Starcevich replacement

At least a plan B if Doedee can’t get on the park.

I had wondered this today as well. Would the role be better or worse on his shoulders than the wing?

 

[knaf]

Thoughts on Jarrod Berry as a Starcevich replacement

At least a plan B if Doedee can’t get on the park.

Too important in his gut running and tall option wing role. And I have vague memory that when tried in defence his man on man body work wasn’t great. Perhaps this was due to shoulder issues. In summary no.

 

[Nunez]

Why are touted to lodge our FA paperwork so late this year? Is it as simple as the AFL wanting to draw out the process of movements or am I missing something?