List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[notliondown]

I’m gutted we lose Starc. Doedee deal was a disaster. Could have used his money to keep Starc. I understand the concussion risk but Starc is a key reason why the club turned around and we won two flags. Irreplaceable.

Doedee deal HAS BEEN a disaster up until now... and luckily we haven't needed him.

If we/he can get himself right the guy is a gun. I wouldn't be putting a line through him just yet.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Doedee deal HAS BEEN a disaster up until now... and luckily we haven't needed him.

If we/he can get himself right the guy is a gun. I wouldn't be putting a line through him just yet.

disaster
/dɪˈzɑːstə/
noun
a sudden accident or a natural catastrophe that causes great damage or loss of life

 

[braddsey]

I’m gutted we lose Starc. Doedee deal was a disaster. Could have used his money to keep Starc. I understand the concussion risk but Starc is a key reason why the club turned around and we won two flags. Irreplaceable.

We took a risk on Doedee and so far it didn’t pay off. That’s the nature of footy in a high speed high impact contact sport.
Perhaps that’s the warning the club needed to be cautious and not sign Starce on a 6-year deal knowing he really is one serious head knock from being out of the game. If he didn’t get KO’d by Rankine last year it may be an entirely different discussion.

 

[Tom14]

If that Adelaide offer is true and not mishearing, that's not a serious one and was them basically delisting him. I suspect there might be some wires crossed.

250k is about the bare minimum you can offer a player of that level of service and stature. An insulting offer to a vice-captain.

 

[buttermuffs]

With two years left on his deal I wonder if Doedee would be interested in stretching that deal out another year and splitting the salary across 3 years instead of 2. Instead of 2 years at 1.4m say 3 years at 1.5m.

Bowes did it with Geelong, possibly because he could have been delisted after the first two years. I wonder whether the extra year to play would be worth it in itself.

 

[buttermuffs]

When Eric's been healthy the last two years he's averaged like 3 goals a game! Gallop has had a very nice start but I don't think you can just lock him in for a spot long-term.

People also forget that McStay was leaving, Joe hadn’t said he was reitiring but we all expected him to retire sooner rather than later, we hadn’t picked up Morris or Gallop, and the contract itself guaranteed he’d be contracted through the Tassie entrance into the comp.

If all else failed we were guaranteed Hipwood. They didn’t fail and we have Morris, Gallop, Allen and Draper. We could still lose Morris. Hipwood contract provides certainty

 

[Sproj]

Trade Radio has Ainsworth looking at his options, he always wanted to come to the Lions, would he be worth a look?

 

[Elixuh]

Trade Radio has Ainsworth looking at his options, he always wanted to come to the Lions, would he be worth a look?

He would become a whipping boy on here. I’ve never seen a player struggle to convert goals the way he does. It’d be maddening at times.

 

[Saucery]

Doedee deal HAS BEEN a disaster up until now... and luckily we haven't needed him.

If we/he can get himself right the guy is a gun. I wouldn't be putting a line through him just yet.

The history of the AFL is littered with examples of traded players who didn't pay back the investment in them early, Lynch being a perfect example. In his first few games of the 1994 AFL season for us, Lynch had suffered a broken collarbone and knee surgery, making him unable deliver his best. In 1995, he contracted a mystery virus (it was later revealed that he was suffering from chronic fatigue syndrome), which sidelined him for the entire 1995 season. I think what we are seeing here is premature evaluation.

 

[Maboo]

Common theme from various club identities at the B&F, both on stage and in casual conversation, was on the difficulty we’re going to have holding on to players in forthcoming years.

The salary cap works as it’s meant to when you’re an outpost club.

Yeah, and I think Bailey, and More so Lohmann and Morris are most at risk. there were reports that Morris was receiving offers north of 1mil before he re-signed.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

heard Draper say on the 200 plus podcast that he's about to start running, which seems good news

Is there anything saying that he is not starting rd 1 next year ? NRL player did achillies in pre season (Feb) and played in the final round. Not often a 12month injury

 

[Tom14]

He would become a whipping boy on here. I’ve never seen a player struggle to convert goals the way he does. It’d be maddening at times.

I shudder to think what sort of money he is on too.

 

[M Malice]

Trade Radio has Ainsworth looking at his options, he always wanted to come to the Lions, would he be worth a look?

IIRC a few on here were very keen on Ben Ainsworth(went pick 4) in his draft year... thank Christ we went with Clugga(pick 3).

I just had a re look at that draft and Jarrod Berry at pick 17 has ended up clearly better than every other selection between pick 4 and 16.

A true feather in the cap for our recruitment staff back in 2016.

 

[Nathan Barley]

You have to wonder why Ainsworth would want to leave

 

[SpecialBruce]

Not sure we offer Starc 6x900k tbh.

Yeah no way.

With two years left on his deal I wonder if Doedee would be interested in stretching that deal out another year and splitting the salary across 3 years instead of 2. Instead of 2 years at 1.4m say 3 years at 1.5m.

Bowes did it with Geelong, possibly because he could have been delisted after the first two years. I wonder whether the extra year to play would be worth it in itself.

Wonder if there was an injury clause in the contract. I have said it plenty of times that he is done as a footballer and will only be fodder. His body is shot. No preseason is going to get him his mobility back. Its gone.

 

[JasRulz63]

Yeah no way.


Wonder if there was an injury clause in the contract. I have said it plenty of times that he is done as a footballer and will only be fodder. His body is shot. No preseason is going to get him his mobility back. Its gone.

The band 2 compensation that was given for Doedee is based on guaranteed money, so even if he had clauses, his base salary is still pretty healthy.

 

[bungalow_bill]

So you think we should be offering Ah Chee a five year deal and a substantial raise? And Starcevich, we may not even have the money in the cap to pay almost a million to a defender given that's prime midfield money.

That kind of overpay is exactly how we lose players like Bailey or Morris down the track, because our salary cap is tied up long term in big deals.

At least in our long term deals guys have taken serious unders as part of the negotiation, e.g. Hipwood.

 

[Lions Flag 2020]

Ah yes, let's go down the St Kilda model.
Let's pay Starce a McCluggage type contract.

Not sure I said pay him mccluggage type contract which I understand to be $1.3M pa but feel free to make up rhetoric to suit yourself.

The point some are missing is that we wouldn’t have needed to pay Starc $900k for 6 years to have kept him (that’s $5.4M). I’m sure he would have accepted less so long as the difference wasn’t massive. Maybe 4 years at $900K keeps him ($3.6M) - remember you get some salary cap dispensation for concussion medical retirement so that reduces the risk. Doodees $2.4M goes a long way to paying for my Starc proposed contract. After all we are talking about a player who just kept Dangerfield to a spectator role after Dangerfield played one of the best prelims of all time. We all have different views and I acknowledge our recruiters have got more right than wrong. I guess I am just gutted we are losing one of my favourite players who helped drive the club from laughing stock to premiers. And when I say laughing stock I mean it as we the crowd would often burst into laughter at some of the back to back to back errors we made in games in 2015/16.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

I wonder what type of cash Ainsworth would be on. Same draft as Bowes who they notoriously over paid and sent packing with give pick 8, for Geelong to take the salary. Same story with Lukosius reported salary dropping their trade value.

Petrecca is a great get by the Suns, will be interesting to see what they’re cap will be like with all of Petrecca, King, Rowell, Anderson, Andrews, Rioli, coming from a period of young players being systematically overpaid

 

[3KZ is Football]

Just as well Ryan Lester

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Ryan Lester

Age

33

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190cm

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84kg

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Def

Career

Season

Last 5

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14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

170.4

3star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.8

2star

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4.5

3star

M

2.7

3star

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1.5

2star

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140.7

3star

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12.6

4star

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6.8

3star

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5.8

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

0.6

3star

is playing for a sausage in bread and a can of Diet Coke after training and a large meat lovers pizza after home games. Cheapest Duel Premiership Hero in the AFL.

 

[M Malice]

Not sure I said pay him mccluggage type contract which I understand to be $1.3M pa but feel free to make up rhetoric to suit yourself.

The point some are missing is that we wouldn’t have needed to pay Starc $900k for 6 years to have kept him (that’s $5.4M). I’m sure he would have accepted less so long as the difference wasn’t massive. Maybe 4 years at $900K keeps him ($3.6M) - remember you get some salary cap dispensation for concussion medical retirement so that reduces the risk. Doodees $2.4M goes a long way to paying for my Starc proposed contract. After all we are talking about a player who just kept Dangerfield to a spectator role after Dangerfield played one of the best prelims of all time. We all have different views and I acknowledge our recruiters have got more right than wrong. I guess I am just gutted we are losing one of my favourite players who helped drive the club from laughing stock to premiers. And when I say laughing stock I mean it as we the crowd would often burst into laughter at some of the back to back to back errors we made in games in 2015/16.

The gossip I saw was that Clugga is/could be on around 900-950K pa.

 

[Lions Flag 2020]

The gossip I saw was that Clugga is/could be on around 900-950K pa.

We have different gossip. Mine was $1.3. That’s why I think the club balked for so long. At 900-950 they would have agreed in a heart beat.

 

[irel]

Not sure I said pay him mccluggage type contract which I understand to be $1.3M pa but feel free to make up rhetoric to suit yourself.

The point some are missing is that we wouldn’t have needed to pay Starc $900k for 6 years to have kept him (that’s $5.4M). I’m sure he would have accepted less so long as the difference wasn’t massive. Maybe 4 years at $900K keeps him ($3.6M) - remember you get some salary cap dispensation for concussion medical retirement so that reduces the risk. Doodees $2.4M goes a long way to paying for my Starc proposed contract. After all we are talking about a player who just kept Dangerfield to a spectator role after Dangerfield played one of the best prelims of all time. We all have different views and I acknowledge our recruiters have got more right than wrong. I guess I am just gutted we are losing one of my favourite players who helped drive the club from laughing stock to premiers. And when I say laughing stock I mean it as we the crowd would often burst into laughter at some of the back to back to back errors we made in games in

Apparently we don't have a player above a Million dollars.
Hugh is reported to be the highest at 950Ks (estimate).

 

[SpecialBruce]

If I was on 900k a year I wouldn't care if I stayed on that. It is a lot of money.

 

[martinson]

Fwiiw the way player payments have escalated out of nowhere and the talk of a million up front as a sign on fee and 2 mill a year whatever to play in Tasmania of all places is unsustainable and clubs that get into bidding wars will really live to regret it.

The egos that get around footy clubs are starting to get well ahead of themselves when stockmarkets around the world are going through the roof and the delusions of grandeur are seeping their way into AFL footy clubs.