List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[Half Back Pocket]

We need to be all over Flanders. Walks into our midfield and is in the age bracket we need.

It’s an interesting discussion….do you continue to upgrade current players with B graders, who improve the team now, but aren’t good enough to win a flag

 

[beside the seaside]

It’s an interesting discussion….do you continue to upgrade current players with B graders, who improve the team now, but aren’t good enough to win a flag

The best sides always have B graders in them. Collingwood just added Ned Long for example. You need those types to win flags.

 

[Jade Buddha]

A slow possession game when half the team can't hit a target is wild. Pretty much every goal against the Dogs came from a rare glimpse of quick ball movement, often with Nas or Sinclair actually placing the inside 50 kick to advantage.

Whenever we tried to go slow, we coughed it up.

Agreed. Couldn’t understand what we were trying to do. The mark and take your full time to dispose of the ball did my head in.

 

[stavro#4]

Is this now the third season of this talk?

 

[gringo2011]

In the Autopsy thread Stavro wrote:
""this off season is make or break in my eyes.""

I am pretty much the same. If for example Nas goes, and TDK and Bergman do not arrive then our list is just going to get further and further behind other clubs. I hope the club targets another rather than Aleer as he does not look up to it in terms of becoming a quality key back.

The club has spent years building up the war chest to land some quality players THIS offseason. We need more class, and we also need to fix our age profile.

If we do notveven the bottom clubs may move past us.

The Tigers are fastracking their rebuild by having traded out well to get potentially a good group of new young talent, with 2 more early picks this year.

North sooner or later have to improve with the talent they have stockpiled, though their top ups and ciach are holding them back.
So even the bottom clubs could move past us in 2026 unless we pull our fingers out.


With our current list we have some decent young players, but so far Nas is the only one who defintely looks likes becoming a gun. Players like Sharman look to be good players, but do not look like likely future stars.

Many of the others have flaws that may prevent them from becoming very good players. ie Wilson and Owens with ball use. Can these flaws be overcome?

Pou and King have high potential talent but both are also having trouble staying on the park. If these two both not come good, then our fortunes will only sour further.

At present most of our list are support players, and we just have a small group of very good players. Sincs, Wilkie and Nas. Marshall should be, but just cannot seem to get his body right. That is way too little cream.

Now there is upside. We need to land our targetted players, get the bodies right on our better players and actually improve our younests and best potential talent.

So if offield we do not keep Nas and land Bergman and TDK, whilst also improving our younger players then our future would look grim, and Wooden Spoons may soon be being collected again.

And getting our own VFL team with some decent VFL players would help too.

I agree with all of that but the main ingredient is building a list of 20ish B graders with a handful of elite, game breakers and consistent A graders at the top to carry the side and have a spread of sizes as roles that can cover for inevitable injuries.

It shouldn't be that hard to achieve if you have a really clear plan. Finding guys like Max Hall and Wilkie show that alternate pathways are almost better for finding those types than the draft. Draft your stars, fill out the list with ring ins.

 

[Jade Buddha]

TDK is 25 and you've been arguing against getting him for no draft capital?

He’s exactly where we need him to be in terms of development

 

[Remboy]

Is this now the third season of this talk?

Isn't he contracted for another 5 years at over $1mill a per year. It will probably be an annual story until he leaves or retires.

 

[gringo2011]

It’s an interesting discussion….do you continue to upgrade current players with B graders, who improve the team now, but aren’t good enough to win a flag

If you go by Draft Guru rankings three teams have 5x A graders each. Carlton, Melbourne and Brisbane. We are equal second with 4 along with 5 other clubs. You can argue that our A graders tap out below champion level unlike a few others but teams with the most B graders seem the most competitive. Hawks the most, Collingwood, Geelong, Gold Coast etc all have a lot of Bs too.

The interesting thing about us is that we are low in B and C graders but top of the list for D graders. A lot of those are kids that are unexposed but for us to improve we need to start moving players in to the category above where they sit now and add a bit more ready made B talent.

Part of the reason our decline is so bad this year is of our 10 x B graders Jones, Hill, King, Butler, Wilson, Phillipou and Wood have been injury hit or declined rapidly to a point that there are guys who would be D grade in there. Only Higgins and Sharman have improved noticeably and Owens is okay.

St Kilda Playing List for 2025 - Draftguru

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[Holy Hunter Clark]

Charlie McKinnon has 5 goals before half time for the Rebels in the CTL. Reckon he could be a bolter in the draft.

 

[stfan]

I agree with all of that but the main ingredient is building a list of 20ish B graders with a handful of elite, game breakers and consistent A graders at the top to carry the side and have a spread of sizes as roles that can cover for inevitable injuries.

It shouldn't be that hard to achieve if you have a really clear plan. Finding guys like Max Hall and Wilkie show that alternate pathways are almost better for finding those types than the draft. Draft your stars, fill out the list with ring ins.

Drafting stars is hard when much of the best talent is locked into Academy and FS selections. And that the process at present has many higher finishing clubs gaining access to them.

 

[Teflon]

Is this now the third season of this talk?

No way not what we need ffs
We aren’t a rehab joint for broken old
Mids
Come on

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Isn't he contracted for another 5 years at over $1mill a per year. It will probably be an annual story until he leaves or retires.

If he wants to leave AND the club want to trade him, contract can be terminated.
We'd "assume" that he would want the new club to match the 5 million.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Drafting stars is hard when much of the best talent is locked into Academy and FS selections. And that the process at present has many higher finishing clubs gaining access to them.

Serong - Pick 8, we could have drafted him but chose other options. Freo purposely traded up to get him.
Noah Anderson - Pick 2 , Nepo babies were essentially given that pick.
Bont - we all know
Butters - pick 12 we chose king.
Nick Daicos - F/S
Heeney - Academy
Chad Warner - Pick 39. ( we traded for Bruce ).
Neale - pick 58
Rowell - pick 1 to Nepo babies.

 

[stfan]

Serong - Pick 8, we could have drafted him but chose other options. Freo purposely traded up to get him.
Noah Anderson - Pick 2 , Nepo babies were essentially given that pick.
Bont - we all know
Butters - pick 12 we chose king.
Nick Daicos - F/S
Heeney - Academy
Chad Warner - Pick 39. ( we traded for Bruce ).
Neale - pick 58
Rowell - pick 1 to Nepo babies.

Bont over Billings was understandable at the time given where most people saw both players at that time.

The unforgivable one and huge mistake was the one you did not mention. Mccartin over the more highly rated Petracca.

With King our recruiter wanted Rozee, Lethlean wanted King.

 

[botts]

Bont over Billings was understandable at the time given where most people saw both players at that time.

The unforgivable one and huge mistake was the one you did not mention. Mccartin over the more highly rated Petracca.

With King our recruiter wanted Rozee, Lethlean wanted King.

We arnt doing this again are we?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Bont over Billings was understandable at the time given where most people saw both players at that time.

The unforgivable one and huge mistake was the one you did not mention. Mccartin over the more highly rated Petracca.

With King our recruiter wanted Rozee, Lethlean wanted King.

that list was someones list of highest rated players.
I weeded out the rucks and other talls.

 

[StCicatriz]

Drafting stars is hard when much of the best talent is locked into Academy and FS selections. And that the process at present has many higher finishing clubs gaining access to them.

I agree but it does happen.

Lachie neale was a later pick
Warner at Sydney was a later pick

How many of hawthorn's midfield were top end picks?

What pick was phillips at the dogs he's going good.

Not everything has to be like the dees.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Bergman looking noice

 

[botts]

I agree but it does happen.

Lachie neale was a later pick
Warner at Sydney was a later pick

How many of hawthorn's midfield were top end picks?

What pick was phillips at the dogs he's going good.

Not everything has to be like the dees.

Yeah but you have a higher chance of getting a good player with a higher pick. Some slip through the cracks but most of the elite talent were high picks

 

[SaintSteele9]

Bergman looking noice

Has some urgency about him. I like

 

[tommo7]

I think Bergman would be our best mid.

 

[PoppedCorn]

Bergman looking noice

will play a hundred in a few weeks and then sign with port lol

 

[ThomasR]

We need to be all over Flanders. Walks into our midfield and is in the age bracket we need.

If we could somehow turn our first + change into Flanders + Bergman that would be huge. A long way to go, but it looks like a pretty good draft to be trading out of as it stands

 

[JG22]

Club can’t afford to trade our first unless it’s a genuine star. Ideally we trade what we get for Marshall onto port for Bergman.

 

[Sully111]

That butters goes alright