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Pick #7 or #8 for Gruzewski? A pick #22 who has shown nothing at AFL level, isn't in GWS' best side and is an undersized key/medium forward. What are you talking about?
He is contracted.
GWS don’t need picks in the 30’s in a weak draft
We won’t want to trade future picks
GWS would be mad to let him walk unless they are getting big overs.

If we think Dean could be getting a bid before our pick then turning that pick into Gruzewski and points is probably the best outcome
 
He's shown plenty for a young KPP. He's just playing behind some very good KPP. Riccardi is only playing ahead of him as he pinch hits in the ruck. I wouldn't be giving up a top 10 pick but the kid will be a good player.
No one disagrees with this. What the disagreement is around price. Based on output at the top level. He’s not worth a first round pick/end of first round pick.

Determining trade value on promise and VFL stats always has to be conservative.

Look at the GWS>Adelaide James Peatling trade from last year. MG is worth less than him.
 
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He is contracted.
GWS don’t need picks in the 30’s in a weak draft
We won’t want to trade future picks
GWS would be mad to let him walk unless they are getting big overs.

If we think Dean could be getting a bid before our pick then turning that pick into Gruzewski and points is probably the best outcome
If we wants to leave for guaranteed playing time, they'd be hard pressed to stop him if they can't guarantee that.

Contracted or not.
 

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He is contracted.
GWS don’t need picks in the 30’s in a weak draft
We won’t want to trade future picks
GWS would be mad to let him walk unless they are getting big overs.

If we think Dean could be getting a bid before our pick then turning that pick into Gruzewski and points is probably the best outcome
Apparently he’s looking around. GWS aren’t afraid to hold players to contract either.

You’d think whatever happens with TDK, that pick will be split to cover our bases for H.Dean & getting another player/draftee in.
Then there’s Ison as well, hopefully he doesn’t get the draft rise that HD is seemingly getting.
 
He is contracted.
GWS don’t need picks in the 30’s in a weak draft
We won’t want to trade future picks
GWS would be mad to let him walk unless they are getting big overs.

If we think Dean could be getting a bid before our pick then turning that pick into Gruzewski and points is probably the best outcome
Ison potentially climing into the top 20 as well according to Twomey, so may need to bank picks/trade out of any high FA comp we get.
 
Apparently he’s looking around. GWS aren’t afraid to hold players to contract either.

You’d think whatever happens with TDK, that pick will be split to cover our bases for H.Dean & getting another player/draftee in.
Then there’s Ison as well, hopefully he doesn’t get the draft rise that HD is seemingly getting.
GWS also like trading up in the draft so maybe pick 10 for MG and pick 18 plus trade of later picks for points
 
60% conversion rate is good. Jeremey Cameron is 63.6%, Jack Gunston is just barely over 50%. Jamie Elliott constantly gets praised for being an elite shot for goal, he's only at 55%. Thilthorpe is 62%. Darcy Fogarty (imo the best shot in the game) is 69%.

Goal scoring conversion rates are lower than you might expect. A 60% conversion rate is good.
Noting Chuck's going at 54% this year.
 
Way to high still. His value has dropped, not increased. Worth something in the 30s.

Wait and see where the SOS compo lands - but I reckon by the time all the other compo picks are distributed, and all the bid matching is done, that pick is gonna be late 20s or early 30s anyway. In a not so great draft, by the way.

Doubt we quibble over whether his value is Pick 32 or Pick 35, near enough to just sign the paperwork and get the player we seemingly want.
 
Noting Chuck's going at 54% this year.
Worth noting, further, that he's only ever had 1 season over 60% - at 60.4%. (aside from his first season where he kicked 5 goals total).

Including that 60% season he's at around 54% for his career. He's an average shot for goal at best - I'd say below average as he does pad the accuracy stats with the snaps around the corner.

Harry cops the poor goal kicking criticism, but Charlie isn't far off, there's only about 5% between them. It's even closer if you take out his 1 decent year of 60%, but Charlie gets away with it.
 
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Apparently he’s looking around. GWS aren’t afraid to hold players to contract either.

You’d think whatever happens with TDK, that pick will be split to cover our bases for H.Dean & getting another player/draftee in.
Then there’s Ison as well, hopefully he doesn’t get the draft rise that HD is seemingly getting.
it’s hard to see how we don’t have to split the pick. If Gruzewski is part of that then I think that will give us the best outcome.
 
Worth noting, further, that he's only ever had 1 season over 60% - at 60.4%. (aside from his first season where he kicked 5 goals total).

Including that 60% season he's at around 54% for his career. He's an average shot for goal at best - I'd say below average as he does pad the accuracy stats with the snaps around the corner.

Harry cops the poor goal kicking criticism, but Charlie isn't far off, there's only about 5% between them. It's even closer if you take out his 1 decent year of 60%, but Charlie gets away with it.
i lean the other way... i reckon his accuracy is understated because he tries it on (dare I say it lairises) way too often.

He rarely plays the percentages....
 

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i lean the other way... i reckon his accuracy is understated because he tries it on (dare I say it lairises) way too often.

He rarely plays the percentages....
I think he misses a lot of easy shots. He does try the 60m swing kicks as well, but that only really happens 10 times a season if that. He misses easy set shots fairly regularly too.
 
He's a beautiful kick though, it's all in the head reckon.
Agree, and as plenty in the media have said, it's why he plays on as soon as humanly possible to kick. He doesn't like the pressure of a set shot.

Interestingly enough imo he was decently efficient at the quick play-ons until this season where it stopped working for him.
 
GWS also like trading up in the draft so maybe pick 10 for MG and pick 18 plus trade of later picks for points
Yep, was thinking the same thing. If we trade 1st round picks with GWS for Gruzewski, it also puts us outside of the range of SOS being a prick and threatening to place a bid on Dean the pick before ours to force our hand.

So basically, we end up with Gruzewski and a pick at maybe around 18 to cover the Dean bid should it come. Any later picks would be a bonus to give us points for Ison.
 
Yep, was thinking the same thing. If we trade 1st round picks with GWS for Gruzewski, it also puts us outside of the range of SOS being a prick and threatening to place a bid on Dean the pick before ours to force our hand.

So basically, we end up with Gruzewski and a pick at maybe around 18 to cover the Dean bid should it come. Any later picks would be a bonus to give us points for Ison.
Don't mind this but I'm not sure GWS wouldn't prefer to hold him. Might depend on whether they have a draft target around that range.
 
I’d rather trade Curnow to Brisbane than GC. Though they might not have the cap for Curnow and Draper.

The below is probably achievable.

FA Out
TDK:
Pick 8
JSOS: End of First

Trade
Brisbane:
Curnow + F3
Carlton: Bailey + F1

Eagles: Cripps & Motlop & Acres & Bris 2nd
Carlton: Chesser + Hawks First + Eagles 2nd

Saints: Eagles 2nd
Carlton: Darcy Wilson

Melbourne: JSOS Compo + F2 Carlton
Carlton: Lever + F2 Melbourne

DFA: Rosas

Draft Picks 2025 (before bids):
TDK Compo 8 - Best Available
Hawks First 15 - Dean
3rd - Riley
4th - Ison

Draft Picks 2026:
F1, Brisbane F1, Melbourne F2 & F4.

2026 Team

FB:
Newman - Weitering - Haynes
HB: Hollands - Lever - Chesser
C:
Walsh - Lord - Wilson
F:
Pittonet - Cowan - Cerra
HF: Bailey - Kemp - Williams
FF: Rosas - McKay -Moir
S: HOK, Hewett, Carroll, Hollands, Cottrell

Brings in the speed and foot skills that we desperately need.
 

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I’d rather trade Curnow to Brisbane than GC. Though they might not have the cap for Curnow and Draper.

The below is probably achievable.

FA Out
TDK:
Pick 8
JSOS: End of First

Trade
Brisbane:
Curnow + F3
Carlton: Bailey + F1

Eagles: Cripps & Motlop & Acres & Bris 2nd
Carlton: Chesser + Hawks First + Eagles 2nd

Saints: Eagles 2nd
Carlton: Darcy Wilson

Melbourne: JSOS Compo + F2 Carlton
Carlton: Lever + F2 Melbourne

DFA: Rosas

Draft Picks 2025 (before bids):
TDK Compo 8 - Best Available
Hawks First 15 - Dean
3rd - Riley
4th - Ison

Draft Picks 2026:
F1, Brisbane F1, Melbourne F2 & F4.

2026 Team

FB:
Newman - Weitering - Haynes
HB: Hollands - Lever - Chesser
C:
Walsh - Lord - Wilson
F:
Pittonet - Cowan - Cerra
HF: Bailey - Kemp - Williams
FF: Rosas - McKay -Moir
S: HOK, Hewett, Carroll, Hollands, Cottrell

Brings in the speed and foot skills that we desperately need.
Ison will go a lot higher than a 4th rounder if thats what you're meaning in that.

He and Deans rises are going to leave us in quite a pickle in terms of making moves + having points to match. I expect he'll be a 25-35 bid.

Would love to snag Darcy Wilson though, I was very keen on him in his draft year. One of the best runners to come through the junior pathways, I suspect StK won't let him go easy.
 
Don't mind this but I'm not sure GWS wouldn't prefer to hold him. Might depend on whether they have a draft target around that range.
They probably would, but if young talented players are stuck in the magoos, or constantly getting squeezed out of the side, they start looking elsewhere for opportunities.

If he formally requests a trade to Carlton or whoever, it'd very likely happen as long as both parties negotiate in good faith.
 
I’d rather trade Curnow to Brisbane than GC. Though they might not have the cap for Curnow and Draper.

The below is probably achievable.

FA Out
TDK:
Pick 8
JSOS: End of First

Trade
Brisbane:
Curnow + F3
Carlton: Bailey + F1

Eagles: Cripps & Motlop & Acres & Bris 2nd
Carlton: Chesser + Hawks First + Eagles 2nd

Saints: Eagles 2nd
Carlton: Darcy Wilson

Melbourne: JSOS Compo + F2 Carlton
Carlton: Lever + F2 Melbourne

DFA: Rosas

Draft Picks 2025 (before bids):
TDK Compo 8 - Best Available
Hawks First 15 - Dean
3rd - Riley
4th - Ison

Draft Picks 2026:
F1, Brisbane F1, Melbourne F2 & F4.

2026 Team

FB:
Newman - Weitering - Haynes
HB: Hollands - Lever - Chesser
C:
Walsh - Lord - Wilson
F:
Pittonet - Cowan - Cerra
HF: Bailey - Kemp - Williams
FF: Rosas - McKay -Moir
S: HOK, Hewett, Carroll, Hollands, Cottrell

Brings in the speed and foot skills that we desperately need.
Cripps will never be traded.
 
Agree, and as plenty in the media have said, it's why he plays on as soon as humanly possible to kick. He doesn't like the pressure of a set shot.

Interestingly enough imo he was decently efficient at the quick play-ons until this season where it stopped working for him.
the two play ons against collingwood that essentially lost us the game and made us miss the final has an outsized place in my conception of his efficency in playing on.


edit and the other miss where he kicked to a no one home f50 when we were five points up
 
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