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He is contracted.Pick #7 or #8 for Gruzewski? A pick #22 who has shown nothing at AFL level, isn't in GWS' best side and is an undersized key/medium forward. What are you talking about?
No one disagrees with this. What the disagreement is around price. Based on output at the top level. Heās not worth a first round pick/end of first round pick.He's shown plenty for a young KPP. He's just playing behind some very good KPP. Riccardi is only playing ahead of him as he pinch hits in the ruck. I wouldn't be giving up a top 10 pick but the kid will be a good player.
If we wants to leave for guaranteed playing time, they'd be hard pressed to stop him if they can't guarantee that.He is contracted.
GWS donāt need picks in the 30ās in a weak draft
We wonāt want to trade future picks
GWS would be mad to let him walk unless they are getting big overs.
If we think Dean could be getting a bid before our pick then turning that pick into Gruzewski and points is probably the best outcome
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Apparently heās looking around. GWS arenāt afraid to hold players to contract either.He is contracted.
GWS donāt need picks in the 30ās in a weak draft
We wonāt want to trade future picks
GWS would be mad to let him walk unless they are getting big overs.
If we think Dean could be getting a bid before our pick then turning that pick into Gruzewski and points is probably the best outcome
Young, promising player doing his ACL? Sounds like he'd fit right in, get him in!Bloke just blew up his ACL on the weekend
Ison potentially climing into the top 20 as well according to Twomey, so may need to bank picks/trade out of any high FA comp we get.He is contracted.
GWS donāt need picks in the 30ās in a weak draft
We wonāt want to trade future picks
GWS would be mad to let him walk unless they are getting big overs.
If we think Dean could be getting a bid before our pick then turning that pick into Gruzewski and points is probably the best outcome
GWS also like trading up in the draft so maybe pick 10 for MG and pick 18 plus trade of later picks for pointsApparently heās looking around. GWS arenāt afraid to hold players to contract either.
Youād think whatever happens with TDK, that pick will be split to cover our bases for H.Dean & getting another player/draftee in.
Then thereās Ison as well, hopefully he doesnāt get the draft rise that HD is seemingly getting.
Noting Chuck's going at 54% this year.60% conversion rate is good. Jeremey Cameron is 63.6%, Jack Gunston is just barely over 50%. Jamie Elliott constantly gets praised for being an elite shot for goal, he's only at 55%. Thilthorpe is 62%. Darcy Fogarty (imo the best shot in the game) is 69%.
Goal scoring conversion rates are lower than you might expect. A 60% conversion rate is good.
Way to high still. His value has dropped, not increased. Worth something in the 30s.
Worth noting, further, that he's only ever had 1 season over 60% - at 60.4%. (aside from his first season where he kicked 5 goals total).Noting Chuck's going at 54% this year.
itās hard to see how we donāt have to split the pick. If Gruzewski is part of that then I think that will give us the best outcome.Apparently heās looking around. GWS arenāt afraid to hold players to contract either.
Youād think whatever happens with TDK, that pick will be split to cover our bases for H.Dean & getting another player/draftee in.
Then thereās Ison as well, hopefully he doesnāt get the draft rise that HD is seemingly getting.
i lean the other way... i reckon his accuracy is understated because he tries it on (dare I say it lairises) way too often.Worth noting, further, that he's only ever had 1 season over 60% - at 60.4%. (aside from his first season where he kicked 5 goals total).
Including that 60% season he's at around 54% for his career. He's an average shot for goal at best - I'd say below average as he does pad the accuracy stats with the snaps around the corner.
Harry cops the poor goal kicking criticism, but Charlie isn't far off, there's only about 5% between them. It's even closer if you take out his 1 decent year of 60%, but Charlie gets away with it.
I think he misses a lot of easy shots. He does try the 60m swing kicks as well, but that only really happens 10 times a season if that. He misses easy set shots fairly regularly too.i lean the other way... i reckon his accuracy is understated because he tries it on (dare I say it lairises) way too often.
He rarely plays the percentages....
He's a beautiful kick though, it's all in the head reckon.I think he misses a lot of easy shots. He does try the 60m swing kicks as well, but that only really happens 10 times a season if that. He misses easy set shots fairly regularly too.
Agree, and as plenty in the media have said, it's why he plays on as soon as humanly possible to kick. He doesn't like the pressure of a set shot.He's a beautiful kick though, it's all in the head reckon.
Yep, was thinking the same thing. If we trade 1st round picks with GWS for Gruzewski, it also puts us outside of the range of SOS being a prick and threatening to place a bid on Dean the pick before ours to force our hand.GWS also like trading up in the draft so maybe pick 10 for MG and pick 18 plus trade of later picks for points
Don't mind this but I'm not sure GWS wouldn't prefer to hold him. Might depend on whether they have a draft target around that range.Yep, was thinking the same thing. If we trade 1st round picks with GWS for Gruzewski, it also puts us outside of the range of SOS being a prick and threatening to place a bid on Dean the pick before ours to force our hand.
So basically, we end up with Gruzewski and a pick at maybe around 18 to cover the Dean bid should it come. Any later picks would be a bonus to give us points for Ison.
Ison will go a lot higher than a 4th rounder if thats what you're meaning in that.Iād rather trade Curnow to Brisbane than GC. Though they might not have the cap for Curnow and Draper.
The below is probably achievable.
FA Out
TDK: Pick 8
JSOS: End of First
Trade
Brisbane: Curnow + F3
Carlton: Bailey + F1
Eagles: Cripps & Motlop & Acres & Bris 2nd
Carlton: Chesser + Hawks First + Eagles 2nd
Saints: Eagles 2nd
Carlton: Darcy Wilson
Melbourne: JSOS Compo + F2 Carlton
Carlton: Lever + F2 Melbourne
DFA: Rosas
Draft Picks 2025 (before bids):
TDK Compo 8 - Best Available
Hawks First 15 - Dean
3rd - Riley
4th - Ison
Draft Picks 2026:
F1, Brisbane F1, Melbourne F2 & F4.
2026 Team
FB: Newman - Weitering - Haynes
HB: Hollands - Lever - Chesser
C: Walsh - Lord - Wilson
F: Pittonet - Cowan - Cerra
HF: Bailey - Kemp - Williams
FF: Rosas - McKay -Moir
S: HOK, Hewett, Carroll, Hollands, Cottrell
Brings in the speed and foot skills that we desperately need.
They probably would, but if young talented players are stuck in the magoos, or constantly getting squeezed out of the side, they start looking elsewhere for opportunities.Don't mind this but I'm not sure GWS wouldn't prefer to hold him. Might depend on whether they have a draft target around that range.
Cripps will never be traded.Iād rather trade Curnow to Brisbane than GC. Though they might not have the cap for Curnow and Draper.
The below is probably achievable.
FA Out
TDK: Pick 8
JSOS: End of First
Trade
Brisbane: Curnow + F3
Carlton: Bailey + F1
Eagles: Cripps & Motlop & Acres & Bris 2nd
Carlton: Chesser + Hawks First + Eagles 2nd
Saints: Eagles 2nd
Carlton: Darcy Wilson
Melbourne: JSOS Compo + F2 Carlton
Carlton: Lever + F2 Melbourne
DFA: Rosas
Draft Picks 2025 (before bids):
TDK Compo 8 - Best Available
Hawks First 15 - Dean
3rd - Riley
4th - Ison
Draft Picks 2026:
F1, Brisbane F1, Melbourne F2 & F4.
2026 Team
FB: Newman - Weitering - Haynes
HB: Hollands - Lever - Chesser
C: Walsh - Lord - Wilson
F: Pittonet - Cowan - Cerra
HF: Bailey - Kemp - Williams
FF: Rosas - McKay -Moir
S: HOK, Hewett, Carroll, Hollands, Cottrell
Brings in the speed and foot skills that we desperately need.
what if he asks?Cripps will never be traded.
Rumours on here he has askedCripps will never be traded.
the two play ons against collingwood that essentially lost us the game and made us miss the final has an outsized place in my conception of his efficency in playing on.Agree, and as plenty in the media have said, it's why he plays on as soon as humanly possible to kick. He doesn't like the pressure of a set shot.
Interestingly enough imo he was decently efficient at the quick play-ons until this season where it stopped working for him.