List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[JTTheKing]

If the players who are rumoured to be leaving do leave, that means over the past year we've lost:

• Martin
• Cuningham
• Marchbank
• Owies
• JSOS
• TDK
• Doc
• Acres?
• Walsh?
• Charlie?
• Harry?

And so far we've only replaced them with Haynes and a bunch of pimple faced kids. Granted those gone the end of 2024 were mostly injury plagued, but you can't take that much talent and experience out of a list and think it's not going to affect overall performance.

It appears JSOS and TDK are gone, question marks over a few others....but if we lose one or two of those with question marks and make the decision to hit the draft hard again like the last few years rather than trade, we'll be in all sorts.

I'm sure that Wright and Austin have a strategy in place, but hope like hell we're targeting some quality to fill those voids. Not sure if the Vossy news will have any effect on luring players across or retaining some of our own - but I reckon we'll need to strap ourselves in this trade period.

It’s like people just assume if we dump a Walsh or a Curnow we’ll just find a ready made replacement for them.

We’ve already seen since 2023 the effect losing a lot of our depth has had on our performances.

 

[gab213]

De Koning was one of our best players in that purple patch we had last year.

He’s been pretty mediocre since early this year cause he’s clearly stopped caring and it has affected our performance big time.

Just because Walsh has been crueled by injury doesn’t mean it isn’t a loss. He’s a gun when fit and we clearly miss him.

If we lose them and a JSOS our list next year will look terrible compared to 2023.

Cripps, Curnow, Weitering etc aren’t getting any younger.

I’m not sure where this magical improvement is meant to come from if you just lose all these key players when your list is already flawed and lacking depth.

No magical improvement at all, but having players who are fully committed to the club is important; if they aren't, they can go.

Nobody is bigger than the club, I won't cry over a few players leaving, regardless of who they are.

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

De Koning was one of our best players in that purple patch we had last year.

He’s been pretty mediocre since early this year cause he’s clearly stopped caring and it has affected our performance big time.

Just because Walsh has been crueled by injury doesn’t mean it isn’t a loss. He’s a gun when fit and we clearly miss him.

If we lose them and a JSOS our list next year will look terrible compared to 2023.

Cripps, Curnow, Weitering etc aren’t getting any younger.

I’m not sure where this magical improvement is meant to come from if you just lose all these key players when your list is already flawed and lacking depth.

From this point we need to be prepared to be patient, think we need to go backwards before we can move forward. What is the point of

finishing 9th to 12th season on season, this in no mans land. This re-gig, or whatever you want to call it will take some time to bear fruit.

Big positive for me is the number of players currently in our team who are under 22, most have a lot of upside, some will be very good player's.

I just want to see one more cup before I die, if it takes another three to five years to make the big dance, then so be it.

All we can do now is trust that Wright is right and he knows what he is doing.

 

[gab213]

I just want to see one more cup before I die, if it takes another three to five years to make the big dance, then so be it.

This is where I sit too, I don't have another 30 years to wait . I also really want my kids to experience that feeling of winning a Cup, the one that I have 8 times already.

 

[JTTheKing]

From this point we need to be prepared to be patient, think we need to go backwards before we can move forward. What is the point of

finishing 9th to 12th season on season, this in no mans land. This re-gig, or whatever you want to call it will take some time to bear fruit.

Big positive for me is the number of players currently in our team who are under 22, most have a lot of upside, some will be very good player's.

I just want to see one more cup before I die, if it takes another three to five years to make the big dance, then so be it.

All we can do now is trust that Wright is right and he knows what he is doing.

there’s a difference between being patient and people advocating we should be happy with losing all our high end talents.

If that happens we’re back in 2015 areas.

You don’t achieve anything in this league without strong veteran players

 

[Accidental genius]

It'll be interesting to see which of the senior players, if any, do leave as a result of the club keeping Voss on through to 2026.

Looks like Jack's disappointments aren't necessarily all to do with Voss?

TDK is mostly going for money if he does leave

So it really comes down to the rumoured 3 (walsh/charlie/H) to see what they do at seasons end.

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

If the players who are rumoured to be leaving do leave, that means over the past year we've lost:

• Martin
• Cuningham
• Marchbank
• Owies
• JSOS
• TDK
• Doc
• Acres?
• Walsh?
• Charlie?
• Harry?

And so far we've only replaced them with Haynes and a bunch of pimple faced kids. Granted those gone the end of 2024 were mostly injury plagued, but you can't take that much talent and experience out of a list and think it's not going to affect overall performance.

It appears JSOS and TDK are gone, question marks over a few others....but if we lose one or two of those with question marks and make the decision to hit the draft hard again like the last few years rather than trade, we'll be in all sorts.

I'm sure that Wright and Austin have a strategy in place, but hope like hell we're targeting some quality to fill those voids. Not sure if the Vossy news will have any effect on luring players across or retaining some of our own - but I reckon we'll need to strap ourselves in this trade period.

Good post B.H. but you forgot about Matt Kennedy, he has been a huge loss as well. Another one is Lij, if he were to come back next season

in ripping nick, then that would be a huge positive as well. No idea if this is a real possibility or not, as no one is allowed to speak of him.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

From this point we need to be prepared to be patient, think we need to go backwards before we can move forward. What is the point of

finishing 9th to 12th season on season, this in no mans land. This re-gig, or whatever you want to call it will take some time to bear fruit.

Big positive for me is the number of players currently in our team who are under 22, most have a lot of upside, some will be very good player's.

I just want to see one more cup before I die, if it takes another three to five years to make the big dance, then so be it.

All we can do now is trust that Wright is right and he knows what he is doing.

It is not no-mans land. It is in the hitting zone of success.

We should be trying to win every single game of football this club participates in. If that results in us finishing 9th-12th, so be it. The club will be better off for building that competitive mentality than tanking into losses and getting a slightly better draft position while developing (or reinforcing) a losing culture.

 

[JTTheKing]

No magical improvement at all, but having players who are fully committed to the club is important; if they aren't, they can go.

Nobody is bigger than the club, I won't cry over a few players leaving, regardless of who they are.

I’m not crying over players leaving.

Nobody is bigger than the jumper and a few high paid senior players have done my head in this year.

However it’s about how you replace them and how long you take doing so.

A Curnow for example doesn’t grow on trees.

Seen clubs time and time again turf out experienced players and end up stuck on the bottom of the ladder for ages.

 

[gab213]

there’s a difference between being patient and people advocating we should be happy with losing all our high end talents.

If that happens we’re back in 2015 areas.

You don’t achieve anything in this league without strong veteran players

I don't think that anybody would be happy with that, me included. People throw all sorts of names up at this time of year. I'd be surprised if we lost more than two or three players who were considered big names due to their leaving.

I'm not thrilled with them leaving, but I accept it and move on once they're gone.

Opportunities will present themselves for others. Look at Kennedy being traded out, look at who we got with the pick we got for him, these things have a way of turning into a win-win at times too.

All I'm saying is that it isn't the end of the world.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

If Ison is top.20, this is really a weak.draft

Ison has been absolutely dominating his school footy. He's every bit worthy of the push up the phantom rankings he's been getting.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if someone bid on him in the late teens if they really liked him.

 

[gab213]

I’m not crying over players leaving.

Nobody is bigger than the jumper and a few high paid senior players have done my head in this year.

However it’s about how you replace them and how long you take doing so.

A Curnow for example doesn’t grow on trees.

Seen clubs time and time again turf out experienced players and end up stuck on the bottom of the ladder for ages.

Yes, I certainly would be more concerned with losing Curnow, More worried than losing SOS or Walsh.

 

[4thchicken]

From this point we need to be prepared to be patient, think we need to go backwards before we can move forward. What is the point of

finishing 9th to 12th season on season, this in no mans land. This re-gig, or whatever you want to call it will take some time to bear fruit.

Big positive for me is the number of players currently in our team who are under 22, most have a lot of upside, some will be very good player's.

I just want to see one more cup before I die, if it takes another three to five years to make the big dance, then so be it.

All we can do now is trust that Wright is right and he knows what he is doing.

So another few years to take out list profile all the way back to the 2021 age profile when Voss took over but with potentially less talent

If you think that is acceptable then let’s just sign up Voss for another 5-10 years then…

 

[Bfevola]

Curnow is on our hands. He is contracted so if we dont want to lose him, we dont. TDK and SOS are different stories.

I wouldnt trade Curnow - no way. Not even McKay. KPP's dont grow on trees. Work hard to build relationships with them both instead.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

De Koning was one of our best players in that purple patch we had last year.

He’s been pretty mediocre since early this year cause he’s clearly stopped caring and it has affected our performance big time.

Just because Walsh has been crueled by injury doesn’t mean it isn’t a loss. He’s a gun when fit and we clearly miss him.

If we lose them and a JSOS our list next year will look terrible compared to 2023.

Cripps, Curnow, Weitering etc aren’t getting any younger.

I’m not sure where this magical improvement is meant to come from if you just lose all these key players when your list is already flawed and lacking depth.

entirely depends what you get in return....

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

there’s a difference between being patient and people advocating we should be happy with losing all our high end talents.

If that happens we’re back in 2015 areas.

You don’t achieve anything in this league without strong veteran players

Had a gut-full of conditional stars. At least when JSOS pulls on his guernsey on game-day, you know what you are going to get. 110% effort

every single time. He is not a star, but we will miss him more than all our so called stars put together. H is a nice guy and I like him. However,

he really does lack the mongrel to be a dominant forward. Sydney can have him and we get good compensation. Gives Lemmey an

opportunity as well, maybe he takes it with both hands. Walshy I have always loved, yet it seems it will be an ongoing issue for him to maintain

fitness over the course of a full season. Back/hamstring problems at such a young age is a real concern for him, real shame. Cats would be

into him and again we get really good compensation, not the end of the world.

 

[goreds]

Curnow is on our hands. He is contracted so if we dont want to lose him, we dont. TDK and SOS are different stories.

I wouldnt trade Curnow - no way. Not even McKay. KPP's dont grow on trees. Work hard to build relationships with them both instead.

Why should the club do this??

Both of them are conditional players and it shits me to tears...

One is a man mountain who couldn't break a pack even if it was made of paper and gets his feelings hurt a lot..

The other drinks his own bath water before each game...

I would trade both for a Jeremy Cameron type in a heartbeat...

Simple discussion for me really, time to put up or you're in the 2's...

 

[jj1978]

Indeed. It was a clinic.

We just don't do that.

Hawks skills uncontested and contested were just so clean, which allowed them to take on the risky play.

Having said that, we did cause them issues, but because of our poor skills and poor linkage into f50, we were unable to punish on the scoreboard because i50s we bode will (6th in comp) but score conversion is rubbish.

This off-season we have to train more scenarios with the expectation Charlie and Harry will not always be there and work more on utilising what we have. This Charlie and Harry over focus needs to stop or this mentallity of lob it in a "zone" and one of them will take the mark. I'd like to see more leading and lace out passes happening next year.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Feel with the current non selection of Pitto is he may be in danger and rightfully so. Throw him on the trade table, pay some of his contract, find another promising kid or something better.

I feel like HOK pairs better with De Koning, thus the decision this week, but Pitt is needed as the reliable option.

Underrated about rucks is the chemistry they develop with their mods. They spend a lot of time learning where they should hit it for best effect for different guys.

It takes a while to develop that

 

[Ninja Worrier]

I feel like HOK pairs better with De Koning, thus the decision this week, but Pitt is needed as the reliable option.

Underrated about rucks is the chemistry they develop with their mods. They spend a lot of time learning where they should hit it for best effect for different guys.

It takes a while to develop that

BF mods?

 

[Red Bull]

Do tell us more !

Well … not really much to get excited about.
Freo reserves ruckman behind Darcy and Jackson.
Met with Voss during our recent WA visit and the meeting went well.
Cheap ruck backup I suppose …

 

[jj1978]

It’s like people just assume if we dump a Walsh or a Curnow we’ll just find a ready made replacement for them.

We’ve already seen since 2023 the effect losing a lot of our depth has had on our performances.

I'm content to go grab another couple 31+ year olds with good worth ethic (Haynes like) to come in and bring experiences from better cultured clubs and inject that into our young players and possibly give our seniors more motivation to lift and change their ways. I wish we took a bite on Luke Parker.

 

[katmanblue]

I’m sure we’ll be able to find one or 2 more contested beasts to assist - that should do the job with our game plan.

I've never understood how we can have so many "contested beasts" yet still be so timid.

 

[JTTheKing]

Had a gut-full of conditional stars. At least when JSOS pulls on his guernsey on game-day, you know what you are going to get. 110% effort

every single time. He is not a star, but we will miss him more than all our so called stars put together. H is a nice guy and I like him. However,

he really does lack the mongrel to be a dominant forward. Sydney can have him and we get good compensation. Gives Lemmey an

opportunity as well, maybe he takes it with both hands. Walshy I have always loved, yet it seems it will be an ongoing issue for him to maintain

fitness over the course of a full season. Back/hamstring problems at such a young age is a real concern for him, real shame. Cats would be

into him and again we get really good compensation, not the end of the world.

This is a terrible year to be trading a bunch of high end players for picks.

Thankfully I’m hopeful the club will not do this.

 

[Blue1980]

If the players who are rumoured to be leaving do leave, that means over the past year we've lost:

• Martin
• Cuningham
• Marchbank
• Owies
• JSOS
• TDK
• Doc
• Acres?
• Walsh?
• Charlie?
• Harry?

And so far we've only replaced them with Haynes and a bunch of pimple faced kids. Granted those gone the end of 2024 were mostly injury plagued, but you can't take that much talent and experience out of a list and think it's not going to affect overall performance.

It appears JSOS and TDK are gone, question marks over a few others....but if we lose one or two of those with question marks and make the decision to hit the draft hard again like the last few years rather than trade, we'll be in all sorts.

I'm sure that Wright and Austin have a strategy in place, but hope like hell we're targeting some quality to fill those voids. Not sure if the Vossy news will have any effect on luring players across or retaining some of our own - but I reckon we'll need to strap ourselves in this trade period.

There is no way we are letting both harry and Charlie go, at most it's one or the other (most likely neither). I think we will be able to keep Walshy unless there is some crazy mutiny at the club. I think all of this will enable us to balance the salary cap a bit better too.

But yes, we have had less injuries than last year, though still problems and we have had down and/or injury plagued years from basically everyone except Hewett and Haynes, and passable years for Williams, Cerra and Ollie Hollands, everyone else has been down on past output for a variety of reasons.

I don't think we are blowing the list up, you only do that if you absolutely have to.