List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[SurreyBlue]

If there is a Charlie trade, then I definitely like Flanders.
But we do need another player, and it can't be King. We need someone more mobile.

Between Charlie and TDK, we lose a lot of our marking ability on the wings. And unless we can magically turn our game plan (and natural player tendencies) around 180 and stop bombing it up the line whenever they defend the corridor, that is going to hurt us quite badly.
Harry does it sometimes, but I don't think his hands are sticky enough, often enough, to be that guy for us, or at least not regularly.

I know people, including me, are saying we don't need to move Charlie on unless we get overs, etc., but I seriously get the feeling we will once again get screwed in any trade. Don't know why, but I have no confidence in us at this game, and with the media circus, I can just see Charlie bending us over.

I'm mean seriously now we are hearing his contract was front loaded (bulldust) and he is willing to move for less money (hogwash).

I hope we play hard ball and some.

 

[Stamos]

but I seriously get the feeling we will once again get screwed in any trade.

Which trades have we been screwed over in?

 

[SurreyBlue]

Which trades have we been screwed over in?

How far back to do you want me to go?

 

[Carltonfc9]

I know people, including me, are saying we don't need to move Charlie on unless we get overs, etc., but I seriously get the feeling we will once again get screwed in any trade. Don't know why, but I have no confidence in us at this game, and with the media circus, I can just see Charlie bending us over.

I'm mean seriously now we are hearing his contract was front loaded (bulldust) and he is willing to move for less money (hogwash).

I hope we play hard ball and some.

I wouldn't read into everything the media has thrown out, he's open to a trade no worries if something is worth while club would be stupid not to look at it, if not Charlie has already done he's own damage control twice now saying he's playing for carlton next year, don't think he can bend us over he's contracted untill 2029 for once we hold all the power

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Gulden and Butters would suit.

 

[Carltonfc9]

Gulden and Butters would suit.

Would be amazing but which A grade talent would even want to come at the moment with everything going on

 

[Gavstar]

I wouldn't read into everything the media has thrown out, he's open to a trade no worries if something is worth while club would be stupid not to look at it, if not Charlie has already done he's own damage control twice now saying he's playing for carlton next year, don't think he can bend us over he's contracted untill 2029 for once we hold all the power

All just pre-negotiation tactics from his management and the club.

It’s a long time between now and trade week.

 

[zeggie]

Trac tactics. It won't fly.

Just Gibbs it up and they can give us 3 first rounders next year.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Would be amazing but which A grade talent would even want to come at the moment with everything going on

What's going on that can't help us?

 

[Blue By Blood]

Would be amazing but which A grade talent would even want to come at the moment with everything going on

Someone who wants to play alongside Cripps, Weitering, Walsh, McKay with exciting youth like Jagga, Moir, HOF, Cowan, Carroll, Dean, Ison, Walker (99% likely) etc. Someone who wants to play in front of big crowds. Someone who wants to live in Melbourne and at a big club and who will get set up for life post footy with opportunity etc.

Despite the media blowup, it's not all doom and gloom as it's being made out. This is a line in the sand moment and standards could lift from this point forward. We find out which players want to wear the navy blue and drive standards going forward and those whose heart isn't in it.

 

[Carltonfc9]

Someone who wants to play alongside Cripps, Weitering, Walsh, McKay with exciting youth like Jagga, Moir, HOF, Cowan, Carroll, Dean, Ison, Walker (99% likely) etc. Someone who wants to play in front of big crowds. Someone who wants to live in Melbourne and at a big club and who will get set up for life post footy with opportunity etc.

Despite the media blowup, it's not all doom and gloom as it's being made out. This is a line in the sand moment and standards could lift from this point forward. We find out which players want to wear the navy blue and drive standards going forward and those whose heart isn't in it.

Mate I hear you and agree with you on 90% of it, it's a good place to come if you want to get a pay check and play infront of big crowds that's it. We are not geelong and we are not Collingwood players dont strife for success here and I think alot of players and clubs see carlton as a joke.
It can all change like you said but alot of those senior players you mention don't look like they drive amazing standards on game day

 

[Carltonfc9]

Mate I hear you and agree with you on 90% of it, it's a good place to come if you want to get a pay check and play infront of big crowds that's it. We are not geelong and we are not Collingwood players dont strife for success here and I think alot of players and clubs see carlton as a joke.
It can all change like you said but alot of those senior players you mention don't look like they drive amazing standards on game day

Not trying to completely shit can the club i think a few smart trades by austin we can be pushing for a top 4 but there is just something rotten at the club where it feels like we are just never gonna experience sustained success

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Not trying to completely shit can the club i think a few smart trades by austin we can be pushing for a top 4 but there is just something rotten at the club where it feels like we are just never gonna experience sustained success

It would appear they are in the process of removing the 'rot' as we speak.

Whether or not they succeed in doing so will be an interesting watch.

 

[Blue By Blood]

Mate I hear you and agree with you on 90% of it, it's a good place to come if you want to get a pay check and play infront of big crowds that's it. We are not geelong and we are not Collingwood players dont strife for success here and I think alot of players and clubs see carlton as a joke.
It can all change like you said but alot of those senior players you mention don't look like they drive amazing standards on game day

But that's where the cultural reset comes in right. If the players who stick around buy in, it still is an exciting list and an exciting club to come and play for with a chance at the cup in the upcoming seasons. It will take buy in, a shift in coaching tactics, better support and administration, and some shrewd trading this offseason.

But like I said before we are still an attractive club to come to. It wouldn't be a hard sell honestly. TDK taking stupid money is no knock on our culture. JSOS has a young kid and is also setting himself up- but that one probably stings a bit more. Curnow wanting out seems a falling out with the coach more than culture. 2 free agents and 1 contacted player. If you look at each in isolation none point at some unbelievably toxic environment. We just need to keep perspective, drive standards.. players will still want to come.

 

[Carltonfc9]

It would appear they are in the process of removing the 'rot' as we speak.

Whether or not they succeed in doing so will be an interesting watch.

Been trying to get rid of the rot for 10 years now, Brian Cook best in the business was suppose to be the fix, we had a good 20 weeks of football but as soon as it gets tough, carlton just resort back to the same stuff it has to be some high up untouchables, and if that's the case it just feels like it's never going away

 

[Stormzy]

Warming to the idea of trading Curnow.

If the bloke doesn't want to be there - fine.

Gulden or picks to get Butters would be the ideal scenario

 

[RAPPA]

Let’s not assume that letting JSOS go isn’t also a part the cultural fix that’s happening

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Been trying to get rid of the rot for 10 years now, Brian Cook best in the business was suppose to be the fix, we had a good 20 weeks of football but as soon as it gets tough, carlton just resort back to the same stuff it has to be some high up untouchables, and if that's the case it just feels like it's never going away

I guess we'll see in due time

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Been trying to get rid of the rot for 10 years now, Brian Cook best in the business was suppose to be the fix, we had a good 20 weeks of football but as soon as it gets tough, carlton just resort back to the same stuff it has to be some high up untouchables, and if that's the case it just feels like it's never going away

I think it comes down to the type of person in the job. Coming to Carlton is a different animal to the majority of other clubs. Brian Cook I feel did what he could but I don’t think even he realised fully what it would be like I think GW coming from Collingwood knowing the big club scenario and being there for 12 months and seeing what it’s all about I think leaves him under no illusions of what he has to do

 

[katmanblue]

Nah, they will update their guidelines around compo picks and give us two first round picks. But pushed back 2 years until the draft when Tassie comes in…

2 X 1st round picks (in the SSP)

 

[zeggie]

Been trying to get rid of the rot for 10 years now, Brian Cook best in the business was suppose to be the fix, we had a good 20 weeks of football but as soon as it gets tough,

We just had our best past 3 seasons in the last ~15 odd years. Yeah, this year was a blip. But the core quality of the squad is there.

 

[dangertroy]

Trac tactics. It won't fly.

Just Gibbs it up and they can give us 3 first rounders next year.

Holding Trac when he wanted out didn’t work for Melbourne - he’s worth a lot less to them now than he was last year.

Sydney moved on from Daniher after a failed attempt to land him too. Can’t see much that could make Charlie’s value go up when he’s a year older, but plenty of things can make his value go down.

I’ve got no doubt that his manager is feeding the media exaggerated stories to try dynamite him out. But he’s not doing this without Charlie’s approval. Looks like he genuinely wants to move and has authorised the manager to do what it takes to make it happen.

 

[Carltonfc9]

We just had our best past 3 seasons in the last ~15 odd years. Yeah, this year was a blip. But the core quality of the squad it there.

Is the quality of the core group still there? Acres looks a shadow of himself, cripps looks tired, curnow wants out, walsh can't get hes body right, mckay has mental health problems now. Our core group need help and if we waste this trade period like we did last year we are going to be wasting another year

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Not trying to completely shit can the club i think a few smart trades by austin we can be pushing for a top 4 but there is just something rotten at the club where it feels like we are just never gonna experience sustained success

We can forget about 'smart' trades and top four. At the moment I'm getting 'spite' vibes; that we are soldiering on to try and prove we are not quite the basket case many think we are, Sustained success means a step backwards and that's just too much of a hard sell.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Is the quality of the core group still there? Acres looks a shadow of himself, cripps looks tired, curnow wants out, walsh can't get hes body right, mckay has mental health problems now. Our core group need help and if we waste this trade period like we did last year we are going to be wasting another year

If the core group is no longer what it's cracked up to be, how can we hope to rectify that in the short term?