List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[Crippa#9]

This post from dangertroy in September is worth bringing back up...(with a few tweaks in blue)

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The five stages of grief: Charlie Curnow

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Charlie Curnow

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

edition:

1.) Denial: Charlie = Fake News!

2.) Anger: He’s a conditional, lazy campaigner and his manager is a flog!

3.) Bargaining: Walter, Humphrey, Rowell and 2 first rounders or we keep him!

4.) Depression: He’s going to end up at Geelong or Sydney isn’t he?

5.) Acceptance: Finnbar Maley has some great VFL highlights - kid could be anything!
We're now haggling over pick 22 in a poor draft because the Swans (& D'Orazio) have masterfully conditioned us to accept a B-grader in Hayward, a C-grader in Florent and a pick that will fall around #15 in a poor draft.

We’re about to hit stage 4.
We've hit stage 5.

Sydney are absolutely giggling

 

[jezzatigerbrent]

Looks like Harry becomes No1 forward.
Thinking it will work very well, thanks CC

no back up tall forward however if Harry gets injured/ concussed / has another mental illness flare-up....No TDK or JSOS to cover either ...Lemmey also delisted so absolutely nothing coming up from youngsters/ development also

 

[myblueroan]

This post from dangertroy in September is worth bringing back up...(with a few tweaks in blue)

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The five stages of grief: Charlie Curnow edition:

1.) Denial: Charlie = Fake News!

2.) Anger: He’s a conditional, lazy campaigner and his manager is a flog!

3.) Bargaining: Walter, Humphrey, Rowell and 2 first rounders or we keep him!

4.) Depression: He’s going to end up at Geelong or Sydney isn’t he?

5.) Acceptance: Finnbar Maley has some great VFL highlights -

Charlie will thrive and I wish him every happiness on field and in life.
So many fantastic Charlie moments to treasure. I hope still he stays but it seems to be over.

Thank you Charlie. One of my favorite ever players. When you were up... everyone lifted with you.
That's an amazing gift.

 

[No1Suspect]

Wouldnt mind seeing if WC bit at 10 11 22 for 2 34 41.....

Those later picks should come in enough to cover a Dean bid? But we may have to sacrifice Ison....

 

[Blugazi]

Still reckon we have a crack at Gruzewski. Don't think Giants have any major academy picks this year, but obviously rate a player or two as they've dealt with the Bulldogs to get up a bit further.

 

[Big Delut]

Wouldnt mind seeing if WC bit at 10 11 22 for 2 34 41.....

Those later picks should come in enough to cover a Dean bid? But we may have to sacrifice Ison....

34 and 41 cover a bid in the early to mid 2nd round. Not even remotely close to covering Dean.

 

[Sqotty from office works]

no back up tall forward however if Harry gets injured/ concussed / has another mental illness flare-up....No TDK or JSOS to cover either ...Lemmey also delisted so absolutely nothing coming up from youngsters/ development also

Quietly confident Harry will have a great year.
Always felt he wanted to be on field leader.

 

[beowulf]

Lindsay has been spoken of as dropping down the order too.

Indeed. Most mock drafts have him much lower than early in the season. Quite bizarre: not sure what he has done wrong, but a lot of guys appear to have passed him, including Grlj.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Indeed. Most mock drafts have him much lower than early in the season. Quite bizarre: not sure what he has done wrong, but a lot of guys appear to have passed him, including Grlj.

The queries over his contested game have scared some off imo. Would still plug him in on a wing or a flank for 10 years no issue but people like outside players that project to having the ability to go on ball in the long run.

 

[Coona Blues]

The queries over his contested game have scared some off imo. Would still plug him in on a wing or a flank for 10 years no issue but people like outside players that project to having the ability to go on ball in the long run.

Lindsay has too much ability and particularly skill to be a failure. The only question for mine is if he is a very good seagull or a brilliant rebounding distributor. Would be happy if we called his name, but absolutely a key forward to develop seems a higher priority now we seemingly (will) have added two great pieces to our forward structure.

 

[BlueTongue]

no back up tall forward however if Harry gets injured/ concussed / has another mental illness flare-up....No TDK or JSOS to cover either ...Lemmey also delisted so absolutely nothing coming up from youngsters/ development also

Not having a dig at you directly, but I just dont get this fear of depth in the forward line.
We have Kemp, Moir, Harry, Williams, Motlop, Ainsworth, Frank the Tank, Will White, Hudson O'Keefe, Flynn Young and Cotters as backup.

We've been limping along with 1 KPD for 4 years, had McGovern, JSOS & Haynes help out playing taller roles, but no 2nd KPD & no stability.

Saad, up and down, Boyd in and out, Newy injured for 12 months, Gov likely gone, JSOS gone, HOF our new recruit developing KPD injured in the first few games he played (imo despite killing it his body is underdeveloped/played too early), Doc Retired, Young cannot hold his spot, Wilson only just broke in the side, Cowan missed a chunk of the season and Weitering has played injured for a good deal of the season...

Yet we STILL dont have a 2nd KPD and people are worried about our forward line!

 

[gbatman]

Not having a dig at you directly, but I just dont get this fear of depth in the forward line.
We have Kemp, Moir, Harry, Williams, Motlop, Ainsworth, Frank the Tank, Will White, Hudson O'Keefe, Flynn Young and Cotters as backup.

We've been limping along with 1 KPD for 4 years, had McGovern, JSOS & Haynes help out playing taller roles, but no 2nd KPD & no stability.

Saad, up and down, Boyd in and out, Newy injured for 12 months, Gov likely gone, JSOS gone, HOF our new recruit developing KPD injured in the first few games he played (imo despite killing it his body is underdeveloped/played too early), Doc Retired, Young cannot hold his spot, Wilson only just broke in the side, Cowan missed a chunk of the season and Weitering has played injured for a good deal of the season...

Yet we STILL dont have a 2nd KPD and people are worried about our forward line!

Weitering, Young, Dean, O'Farrell, Haynes.

We do NOT need to spend any valuable currency on a tall defender.

Carroll, Wilson, Charleson, Cowan are good young defenders and Florent if he comes will be fine. If Boyd gets fit and does not get paid out is solid backup. Saad will be good again when others come back and release him higher up the ground and prevent him being tagged.

 

[BlueTongue]

Weitering, Young, Dean, O'Farrell, Haynes.

We do NOT need to spend any valuable currency on a tall defender.

Carroll, Wilson, Charleson, Cowan are good young defenders and Flornet if he comes will be fine. If Boyd gets fit and does not get paid out is solid backup. Saad will be good again when others come back and release him higher up the ground and prevent him being tagged.

We DO needs to sign a Hardbody for 12 months Minimum.
HOF Injured for 2026 early rounds
Dean 1st year skinny kid
Haynes 2026 will likely be last year


Even if we play the kids and dont completely ruin their bodies early, we really only have Young to cover.

 

[Stamos]

If we do get Buku (and the Charlie deal goes through) as expected, I really don’t think we’ll have the list spots for a mature tall defender (or any train on player).

Delist Gov and White, and pay out Lij, gives us 3 vacancies.

Match Dean, get another 1st round draftee (either by trading up, or 11 sliding back), and Ison.

 

[SurreyBlue]

We've gone from having the best KP line to line to having the worst and most vulnerable.
While other teams are racing to build these lines, we are giving them away due to the apparent new age gameplans.
I really do wonder sometimes.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

We've gone from having the best KP line to line to having the worst and most vulnerable.
While other teams are racing to build these lines, we are giving them away due to the apparent new age gameplans.
I really do wonder sometimes.

Price of incompetent list management from years prior. The lack of investment in quality small and medium forwards has left us behind the 8 ball when it comes to other teams.

We're currently in correction mode and unfortunately our KPPs have decided to depart which we're being forced to cash in on due to the AFL's dumb F/S and NGA rule changes.

 

[blueblooded]

We've gone from having the best KP line to line to having the worst and most vulnerable.
While other teams are racing to build these lines, we are giving them away due to the apparent new age gameplans.
I really do wonder sometimes.

I stand by my comments that whenever we decide to pivot the game changes again on us… we’re pivoting away from KP guns now and following the pack but we’re always following and never leading. We did this at the start of the rebuild … followed hawthorns model with the 2 big bananas and big bodied mids and then the game changed. Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if history repeats

 

[BlueTongue]

We've gone from having the best KP line to line to having the worst and most vulnerable.
While other teams are racing to build these lines, we are giving them away due to the apparent new age gameplans.
I really do wonder sometimes.

Yes we've become 'Spineless' with our recruiting

 

[BlueTongue]

I stand by my comments that whenever we decide to pivot the game changes again on us… we’re pivoting away from KP guns now and following the pack but we’re always following and never leading. We did this at the start of the rebuild … followed hawthorns model with the 2 big bananas and big bodied mids and then the game changed. Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if history repeats

Which is why I think we need to hold on our Contested Gameplan. Run and Gun is going to be unsustainable and clubs will move away from it.

You saw how tired teams were at the end of the year.

Funny how good Disposal & Pressure/Tackling never goes out of vogue.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

If we do get Buku (and the Charlie deal goes through) as expected, I really don’t think we’ll have the list spots for a mature tall defender (or any train on player).

Delist Gov and White, and pay out Lij, gives us 3 vacancies.

Match Dean, get another 1st round draftee (either by trading up, or 11 sliding back), and Ison.

Would placing HO'F on the LTI open up another list spot through the SSP?

I've got my beady little peepers set squarely on Finnbar Maley if he becomes a DFA. I was really hoping North would have given Aleer a lifeline to squeeze Maley out, although I suspect that may be the case anyway.

 

[Stamos]

Would placing HO'F on the LTI open up another list spot through the SSP?

It would, but I’m not sure we’d do it. Would be tough for a kid’s motivation to be put out for 18 months straight up rather than 12 with a carrot.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

It would, but I’m not sure we’d do it. Would be tough for a kid’s motivation to be put out for 18 months straight up rather than 12 with a carrot.

Can still play vfl, no?

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Reckon we should be fine for list spots; McGovern, White and Young are still without a contract, whilst Binns has been floated as a potential trade to West Coast (I’d assume a Will Brodie-type trade). Charleson is also out not guaranteed a spot in 26.

White and Young showed a bit, but when you’re replacing them with top-end draft talent, it’s the right call.

Mentioned earlier that Charleson and Evans will be re’rookied for 26…

 

[Blue_Fusion]

We will not be able to address all our list issues in one off season.

• Reidy is our backup ruck
• Chesser adds midfield depth, should hopefully take wing away from Acres
• Florent a better and more consistent ball user off hb compared to what we have
• Ainsworth is a quality small forward
• Hayward is a quality med forward
• Buku, not fussed if we don't get him, if we do, he becomes a 3rd tall swingman type to take over gov

There's some really solid additions here and a couple money ball type pickups.

We'll also add Dean and Ison and potentially another top 10-15 pick.

Next year, Walker plus maybe a free agent... potential target: McInerny

 

[Bag of Nuts]

Wonder if Essendon would trade 5 and 21 for 10 and 11? 21 and 22 gives us enough points to match a bid for Dean from pick 6 onwards.