List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[xDQ82x]

Hey mate, this is the post I was referring to:

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I remember that now

Goes to show the changes that can happen in a footy club in two months.

 

[bradfisher14]

I remember that now

So Weiters is definitely getting traded then ...

 

[xDQ82x]

So Weiters is definitely getting traded then ...

Hahah no.

But given were we are at I reckon I can see them pulling the trigger on someone.

I have no new news just for clarity.

 

[Benaly28]

Walsh would be the one.Too injury prone lost some of his pace cash him in while hes still worth something BUT who really knows.

 

[Juddrockz]

Walsh would be the one.Too injury prone lost some of his pace cash him in while hes still worth something BUT who really knows.

Walsh or Cerra for me.

 

[Wickzki]

I’m guessing the game against the * would be appropriate

Do not be surprised if he makes an announcement on 5 or 6 of August (Tuesday / Wednesday) and he pulls the plug against the Suns.

 

[The Sultan]

Willing to sell a kidney for a Nasiah Wanganeen Milera

I’ve got a pretty battle worn liver to donate

 

[dangertroy]

Watching the North game the other day, how on earth did WB get more for Caleb Daniel than we did for Kennedy!? Just a case of a weak team overpaying for a player or did we seriously underrate Matty? The Bulldogs would be absolutely rapt with how those 2 trades panned out. Kennedy has been a huge upgrade on Macare for them.
Not trying to turn this into a why did we trade Kennedy discussion.. just more so how the Bulldogs got more for Daniel.

This is the same North that has traded out pick 2 this year for pick 27 last year, which ironically was one of the compo pick they traded out the year before. The same North who traded their other compo pick to us in a deal that valued Zac Fisher as a mid second round pick. Again ironically, Fisher has lost his role in the team to… Caleb Daniel, who they got for a mid second round pick.

Drafted Will Phillips at pick 3, lost JHF after 12 months… not quite sure that the elevator goes to the top floor at North.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Well I guess we should just give up and fold then?

Nah, trade a couple out

 

[TheBlueCampaigner]

Walsh or Cerra for me.

Cerra before Walsh imo. Walsh has the ability to be a game changer and has proven finals credentials. Cerra has been very vanilla and I can’t see too much capacity for improvement.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Willing to sell a kidney for a Nasiah Wanganeen Milera

The irony of SOS lands his “big fish” in TDK only to lose NWM to Port.

I’d imagine it will be quite acronym-monious down at St Kilda if that happened.

 

[MileHigh]

Hahah no.

But given were we are at I reckon I can see them pulling the trigger on someone.

I have no new news just for clarity.

Yep Walsh for mine and I love him to bits dont get me wrong but if you ever watch his kicking he just hacks it forward. Its funny how much you notice about a player when they are in your keeper dream team and he has been in mine since he was drafted. It may not necessarily be his fault if the instruction was to bomb it in to your two Coleman medallists but there is a lot to be said about lowering the eyes.

 

[SurreyBlue]

It wouldn’t surprise me at all, if we were to either give away our advantage or our limitations. We are very good at this…..

 

[Opium]

Yep Walsh for mine and I love him to bits dont get me wrong but if you ever watch his kicking he just hacks it forward. Its funny how much you notice about a player when they are in your keeper dream team and he has been in mine since he was drafted. It may not necessarily be his fault if the instruction was to bomb it in to your two Coleman medallists but there is a lot to be said about lowering the eyes.

Walsh will be a star if used correctly by a proper system and coaching

 

[Crippa#9]

Walsh will be a star if used correctly by a proper system and coaching

He’s been unfit and too heavy the last two seasons & he hasn’t looked happy for a while.
Expecting with a full pre-season (& maybe a change of coaching) we’ll see him get back to the dynamic, dominant, powerful mid we saw throughout 2021-2023.

 

[Gointocarlton]

Saad to possibly announce retirement in the next couple of weeks

Looks done so it shouldn't surprise anyone, father time waits for no man.

 

[Stamos]

He’s been unfit and too heavy the last two seasons.
Hoping a full pre-season we get back to the dynamic, powerful mid we saw throughout 2021-2023.

He was fantastic last year until he got hurt around the GWS game. Don’t think it was a weight problem.

 

[bigblueboy]

It seems to be justified, though, right?

Bolton went off the rails (without the guidance of Craig). His coaching in 2019 was actively costing us wins, a team starved of wins (what was it, 4 in 43 when we moved him on?).
1 in the first 11, for a team that should have been (and proved to be) roughly 50/50.

Teague was a terrible coach. Took us backwards each year after his caretaker start.

And then now.

It’s also not the same group of players. More than half the list arrived after Teague was sacked.

Ageee with all of that.

Unfortunately there is a group of very senior and well paid players who have been a constant through it all.

Has this experience made them unwilling to endure? Do they simply not know what elite on field leadership looks like? Are they really driven to succeed for the team or just as individuals?

Whatever it is, there’s micro examples every quarter now that some players are in self-preservation mode and that’s completely unacceptable.

You might dislike or distrust the coach but you are still required to turn up everyday and give absolutely everything for your team.

How many of those senior guys could honestly say they’ve done that at the end of the Bolton/Teague/2025 periods?

 

[katmanblue]

While I am not enamoured that we have compromised a year where we should have been in a “window”, I feel we still have a positive future to contemplate.

As a “student” of list management and avid watcher of young talent, I remain excited by our future. The list dynamic will go through significant change in the next two to three years with a dozen or so ageing “second tier” types at or approaching their career mortality along with some culling of depth type players who are being, hopefully overtaken by our developing youngsters.

The saving grace for me is that the senior core combined with the developing youth should still give us close to thirty very capable best 22 players, and thus quickly return us to that premiership window.

Other than the probable TDK departure, I doubt we are actually going to lose any of our “stars”. Even if we do lose one of them, I firmly believe we can cover (unless it is Harry diminishing our genuine talls along with De Koning) the loss sufficiently and would benefit from increased draft cqpital and salary cap relief.

Our out of contract list is starting to sort itself. We still have some question still to answer. There is probably a little movement among some of our contracted players either through trade or delisting to facilitate space. (Dogs very much barking that Elijah Hollands “has to go”). The other contracted players who may have questions asked regarding tenure for mine, are Jaxon Binns, Lewis Young (raised every year), perhaps out of favour Jordan Boyd and the prematurely extended, but rumoured retiring Adam Saad.

Uncontracted
1. Jack Silvagni - Likely stay on multi year deal. The Collingwood interest is real, but difficult to see Jack moving despite his mate being on the dark side. If he leaves we get more draft capital. Give a year of development for HOF and Dean may not be catastrophic bar the cultural implications.

3. Jesse Motlop - divides us supporters, but his best is very good and difficult to see us shopping him. If he wants a big pay day might be in for a shock though. Surely better suited with improved game plan. For mine, would just give a one year extension to assess under new regime, but suspect would get a two year extension.

11. Mitch McGovern - rumoured to have an auto extension clause, but yet to be confirmed. His best gives us “layers” but we too rarely see it. Struggles to produce consistently and can appear very conditional. It is time to part company, hopefully a reasonable pick can be obtained in return.

12. Tom De Koning. - Likely gone as free agent. The draft capital will/would be invaluable. Likely creates problems for others if he re-signs. No right minded person would begrudge him accepting the outlandish reported offer.

14. Orazio Fantasia - Injury continues to punctuate his career. Difficult to see him kept over other options, but on ability could be retained pending other decisions. Some mentorship ability which would be a positive.

15. Sam Docherty - RETIRED - Thanks mate.

17. Brodie Kemp - we are hearing very little. Clearly his rehab is a consideration. His versatility is a big positive and people quickly forget his early season form, which included a five goal haul. Surely gets another deal for two or three years.

26. Nick Haynes - Revelation and great mentor. Has had a quality season, perhaps slowing a little as the season goes on, but hard to imagine not giving an extension for another season due to his form and value mentoring the kids.

31. Harry Lemmey - Slow burn, showing enough in the reserves to be retained. With Harry, Charlie, Kempy and likely HOK in front of him, we may consider trade offers if, as rumoured, they come. With H and Chas contracted until the end of the decade, we would have time to develop a replacement. Interesting call.

34. Rob Monahan (R-B) - Cat B showing improvement in the twos. Might go either way if we feel an NGA prospect is a better bet with a Cat B spot.

35. Billy Wilson - favourite of many. Hard to get a read on his internal rating. Unless we desperately need to make space surely gets at least another year to build on his debut game.

38. Will White(R) - Thinking Thursday moved him ahead of the other rookies vying for a spot(we need to cut two absolute minimum). Still building and his left foot gives POD. Heart and soul Blueboy.

39. Alex Cincotta(R) - difficult read. Brought back after injury with limited impact. Needs promotion to the main list, and that may cost him with spots tight. Still see him as a defender who can go in to the middle rather than the Jack of all trades Voss sees him as. One rumour has him gone, which could have credence given his injury run and aging body.

41. Matt Duffy (R-B) - Likely has two years on his contract, so expect him to go on.

44. Francis Evans (R) - Supporters are finally coming around to him. Solid depth, but think he is going to struggle to maintain his spot given we are two rookies over quota.

45. Flynn Young (R) - Was excited at his signing, but, while getting some games, has not really shown enough of his quality left peg. Low possessions question if he is up to the level. Toss of a coin guven last in first off possibility.

With Doc retired, we will have ten other players turning 30 or older in 2026 and we need to manage their exits sensibly.
McGovern, Haynes and Fantasia are in the uncontracted and it would be good business to exit at least two of them this year. Potentially Saad could join them. Newman, Cripps, Williams, Acres, Hewett and Pittonet are the others who would all be considered best 22 if TDK defects.

Kemp is overseas at the moment, taking his holiday early while he can't really ramp up the rehab yet.

There's a view for him to spend most of the summer in the gym at the club while everyone else is on Christmas break.

I'm hoping he'll get an extended preseason in. Looked a fair bit thicker around the chest and shoulders than at the start of the season. Hasn't wasted time in hitting the gym. Legs looked quite skinny for obvious reasons.

I expect him to re-sign when he gets back. But that's just my take on what be I've heard.

 

[Stamos]

Ageee with all of that.

Unfortunately there is a group of very senior and well paid players who have been a constant through it all.

Has this experience made them unwilling to endure? Do they simply not know what elite on field leadership looks like? Are they really driven to succeed for the team or just as individuals?

Whatever it is, there’s micro examples every quarter now that some players are in self-preservation mode and that’s completely unacceptable.

You might dislike or distrust the coach but you are still required to turn up everyday and give absolutely everything for your team.

How many of those senior guys could honestly say they’ve done that at the end of the Bolton/Teague/2025 periods?

Undoubtedly there are cultural problems.
And, regardless of who the coach is, and we need to be much better there, the players collectively have to pull their finger out, and commit to become winners.

 

[bigblueboy]

Yep. It's very hard to blame the players.

People try to say "I always do my job professionally even under poor management/leadership", but it is very different trying to maintain that in a job requiring huge physical effort and extreme mental focus to achieve results.

The players have been set up to fail again and again, and as outlined by others, this for mine is the sole reason Silvagni is entertaining the Pies offer. He's had enough.

But a little easier if you are earning $20k a week.

Seriously … these guys are living the dream compared to most mere mortals.

They get let off the hook far too easily.

JSOS is a good example of the entitlement. How many times has he finished in our B+F top 10?

 

[BlueTang]

I wouldn’t trade Walsh or Cerra, in a good system both are really good players. Our wings aren’t great. Would be a great move to put Walsh to one so he gets less and bashing and crashing and can use his number one strength - running. Also think if the forwards had better leading patterns and systems; the guys kicking them could improve a lot. Hate to see Walsh leave now after 1 avg year.

Cripps has been well off this year, would look forward to seeing how the mids could play if they took him out of their and set him forward

 

[dangertroy]

Saad to possibly announce retirement in the next couple of weeks

Was thinking about the timing of Doch’s retirement - 5 more games this season, away game against a top 4 side… I know that he was mentally done, but all I could think was that he didn’t want to do so another trip away to then come back and retire a week later.

But perhaps we’ve got a couple more retirements planned, and so it was him being a good team man again to let others get the spotlight over the next few weeks.

Quite a few playing against former sides too - Saad against Gold Coast (or Essendon) makes sense. Fantasia must know he’s not getting another contract, so perhaps he’ll hang the boots up against Port or Essendon (if fit). He’s still contracted for a few more years, but Acres (Freo) is pretty banged up and might be ready to think about life after footy…

 

[The Bighouse]

Yep Walsh for mine and I love him to bits dont get me wrong but if you ever watch his kicking he just hacks it forward. Its funny how much you notice about a player when they are in your keeper dream team and he has been in mine since he was drafted. It may not necessarily be his fault if the instruction was to bomb it in to your two Coleman medallists but there is a lot to be said about lowering the eyes.

Shocking at times. He can lace them out every now and again but the hack kicking is a blight on his game.

Needs to be on the outside IMO to avoid his hack habit.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Walsh will be a star if used correctly by a proper system and coaching

It's actually frightening to think what a fit Walsh could be in a Geelong midfield.....