List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[carlton_99]

No, it's not...

I said 2025 1st + 2026 1st + Dattoli or Green.... NOT 2025 1st + Dattoli + Green...

As for why we'd do it, I already outlined that.

And their 2026 1st becomes a lot less valuable with Curnow in their team.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Can't blame Kennedy for that lol... their back line sucks.

Are you saying the bulldogs should have recruited Ofarrel?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Are you saying the bulldogs should have recruited Ofarrel?

They needed to address their backline issues a lot sooner. Drafting a kid wouldn't have made a difference this year.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

And their 2026 1st becomes a lot less valuable with Curnow in their team.

Funny, he was in our team this year... didn't do much to devalue our TDK compo pick did he?

Regardless, if it's pick 10 or pick 16, it'll help us match the Cody bid.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I think we won’t trade either Charlie or Harry. Rather upgrade the edges of the list and depth, so it’s probably a moot point anyway. But if we did, I would definitely ask for someone like Gulden in return. If Swans say no, we don’t lose anything by keeping Charlie and Harry together.

Of course we'd ask for Gulden, but he won't want to leave anyway. If Charlie is adamant about leaving, keeping him isn't really tenable... especially after all this talk about getting rid of people that don't want to be here...

But we need to give something to get something... no one is going to just hand us first round picks. Who else do you suggest we trade to "upgrade the edges"?

 

[carlton_99]

Funny, he was in our team this year... didn't do much to devalue our TDK compo pick did he?

Regardless, if it's pick 10 or pick 16, it'll help us match the Cody bid.

Because the whole team was poor. If a Sydney team with no elite KPF can make a Grand Final imagine what they could do with Curnow

 

[We may never win again]

I'm really hoping the clean out starts...

Sydney looked hopeless without a key forward... Charlie or Harry would make a world of difference for them, they have mids that can actually hit a target...

All these delusional hypothetical trades involving us getting Gulden or Warner for Charlie... not gonna happen. But the return for one of our key forwards will still be invaluable.

2025 1st + 2026 1st + Dattoli or Green ... we get a promising kid who fills a hole in our list (Dattoli fwd or Green ruck) plus we get a decent pick this year and a very valuable pick for next year's draft.

TDK and JSOS looks like it'll be revealed that they are gone very soon...

With HOF going down, Pitto as main ruck and compromised kpd stocks to add to our inept small forwards and midfield as well as our declining senior players, we really need to focus on rebuilding big time for next year's draft...

Walsh made a big statement that he wants to stay and more importantly WIN with this club. So I can no longer advocate to flick him off as a FA next year.

This still bodes well, we finish last, get pick 1 and then use the Swans 1st from the Charlie/Harry trade to match the bid for Cody.

I'd also look at offering our 2027 1st for another first next year... should really stack our hand for next year's draft. Tigers did it last year and it's looking good for them already...

Did you really just say it bodes well if we finish last? And two mid firsts and an unproven kid for Charlie should be laughed out the door

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Because the whole team was poor. If a Sydney team with no elite KPF can make a Grand Final imagine what they could do with Curnow

Or, they might become too Curnow focused? Also, Curnow who looks to be in decline... might not be the player we all think he is anymore...

Horse isn't the coach anymore either... Cox hasn't proven anything yet.

Again, even if it ends up being pick 18, it will still help pay for Cody...

 

[carlton_99]

Or, they might become too Curnow focused? Also, Curnow who looks to be in decline... might not be the player we all think he is anymore...

Horse isn't the coach anymore either... Cox hasn't proven anything yet.

Again, even if it ends up being pick 18, it will still help pay for Cody...

Pick 40 would help pay for Cody - doesn't mean we should be devaluing our own assets. And "looks to be in decline" because of one poor year?

 

[The Bighouse]

Where are we getting the picks to draft like that? Did we plant a draft pick tree at Ikon park?

We had our shot & f* it up but the pick number isn’t the sole effect, it’s the drafting eye to make the most of pick/s you have for AFL footballers.
Same draft / trade.
BL #1, 15, 17, 55
CFC# 3, 10, 30, 70, 78
Dow, LOB, TDK, Schumacher, Ja.Garlett +
Lobbe, MK, Lang

5 players still on the list for BL’s and we’ll have zero remaining shortly (TDK to become ???, MK = HOF)

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Did you really just say it bodes well if we finish last? And two mid firsts and an unproven kid for Charlie should be laughed out the door

Bodes well to rebuild...

This group as is hasn't got what it takes... should know this by now...

So in order to rebuild, you need to give yourself the best chance to recruit good players. The best chance of doing that is first rounders.

Charlie isn't going to WCE, so we can't get a top 3 pick from Sydney. Forget about Gulden, he won't leave and Swans will not even entertain getting rid of him.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Pick 40 would help pay for Cody - doesn't mean we should be devaluing our own assets. And "looks to be in decline" because of one poor year?

Come on... big difference between pick 40 and pick 18 points...

Or if we can use late picks to pay for the bid still, then fine, we have the Swans 2026 1st as trade capital next year...

And he looks to be in decline because of how poor he was this year + age. Charlie isn't a smart footballer like Jeremy Cameron, he relies heavily on athleticism and if that has started to leave him... it isn't magically coming back...

 

[We may never win again]

Or, they might become too Curnow focused? Also, Curnow who looks to be in decline... might not be the player we all think he is anymore...

Horse isn't the coach anymore either... Cox hasn't proven anything yet.

Again, even if it ends up being pick 18, it will still help pay for Cody...

Cripps was finished 4 years ago and has won 2 brownlows since then, Charlie’s had one bad year in a poorly performed side after almost 3 seasons of leading the Coleman. You don’t trade a superstar to help get points for a f/s, a first in a poor draft and a kid who’s proven nothing

 

[Blue_Fusion]

We had our shot & f* it up but the pick number isn’t the sole effect, it’s the drafting eye to make the most of pick/s you have for AFL footballers.
Same draft / trade.
BL #1, 15, 17, 55
CFC# 3, 10, 30, 70, 78
Dow, LOB, TDK, Schumacher, Ja.Garlett +
Lobbe, MK, Lang

5 players still on the list for BL’s and we’ll have zero remaining shortly (TDK to become ???, MK = HOF)

Yes I agree the drafting eye is important, Austin has never really had this luxury with us though...

This is my point too, let's get the picks in for next year's strong draft and let Austin go to work... can't be worse than SOS...

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Cripps was finished 4 years ago and has won 2 brownlows since then, Charlie’s had one bad year in a poorly performed side after almost 3 seasons of leading the Coleman. You don’t trade a superstar to help get points for a f/s, a first in a poor draft and a kid who’s proven nothing

Cripps was 26 four years ago...

Charlie is 29 start of next year and already won 2 Coleman's...

If the Swans weren't the destination club, if it were the Eagles, we could get far more value... but it is what it is, we have to deal with Sydney if a trade is to take place and we can't magically get a top 5 pick...

There's also the possibility they could slide next year anyway... no one thought we'd be 11th this year...

 

[RPCB]

Of course we'd ask for Gulden, but he won't want to leave anyway. If Charlie is adamant about leaving, keeping him isn't really tenable... especially after all this talk about getting rid of people that don't want to be here...

But we need to give something to get something... no one is going to just hand us first round picks. Who else do you suggest we trade to "upgrade the edges"?

Charlie Curnow can only say he is staying so many times. He’s said it a few times now, including to our supporters.



That was one month ago. But because the media are adamant about trading Charlie Curnow away from Carlton, then Charlie Curnow must actually want to leave.

And you know what, even in the above video with Jon Ralph, he says he spoke to GC and they said they know Charlie was keen to join them. So on the very night that Charlie said he’s staying, Jon Ralph decides to make sure to let people know Charlie wanted to leave. He is either telling the truth or talking absolute bollocks as members of the media tend to do. Maybe Charlie never wanted to leave Carlton and this whole Charlie to GC saga is a media creation. It wouldn’t be the first or the last time.

This whole thing will be put to bed after the trade period when Charlie Curnow is still a Carlton FC player. I can’t wait.

 

[We may never win again]

Cripps was 26 four years ago...

Charlie is 29 start of next year and already won 2 Coleman's...

If the Swans weren't the destination club, if it were the Eagles, we could get far more value... but it is what it is, we have to deal with Sydney if a trade is to take place and we can't magically get a top 5 pick...

There's also the possibility they could slide next year anyway... no one thought we'd be 11th this year...

Charlie’s contracted until 2029, we don’t have to deal with anyone if we aren’t happy with what’s on offer. Unless its something ridiculous he doesn’t go anywhere

 

[jungojungojungo]

Cripps was finished 4 years ago and has won 2 brownlows since then, Charlie’s had one bad year in a poorly performed side after almost 3 seasons of leading the Coleman. You don’t trade a superstar to help get points for a f/s, a first in a poor draft and a kid who’s proven nothing

No--no, Not so fast, Lois.

A generational forward's a generational forward. But the father son pick could be anything. It could even be a generational forward! You know how much we've wanted one of those.

Then let's just--We'll take the father son pick.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

I'm really hoping the clean out starts...

Sydney looked hopeless without a key forward... Charlie or Harry would make a world of difference for them, they have mids that can actually hit a target...

All these delusional hypothetical trades involving us getting Gulden or Warner for Charlie... not gonna happen. But the return for one of our key forwards will still be invaluable.

2025 1st + 2026 1st + Dattoli or Green ... we get a promising kid who fills a hole in our list (Dattoli fwd or Green ruck) plus we get a decent pick this year and a very valuable pick for next year's draft.

TDK and JSOS looks like it'll be revealed that they are gone very soon...

With HOF going down, Pitto as main ruck and compromised kpd stocks to add to our inept small forwards and midfield as well as our declining senior players, we really need to focus on rebuilding big time for next year's draft...

Walsh made a big statement that he wants to stay and more importantly WIN with this club. So I can no longer advocate to flick him off as a FA next year.

This still bodes well, we finish last, get pick 1 and then use the Swans 1st from the Charlie/Harry trade to match the bid for Cody.

I'd also look at offering our 2027 1st for another first next year... should really stack our hand for next year's draft. Tigers did it last year and it's looking good for them already...

Why would we trade a contracted key forward like Hary or Charlie if we don't get something "delusional" in return!

We don't want draft picks - we want players that can move the needle immediately

 

[katmanblue]

Thats irrelevant. If the list manager hasn't invested the appropriate currency into fixing an issue thats plagued us for years and years now then they're not doing their job right.

Look at how much a club like Brisbane or Adelaide have invested in their small + mid sized forwards and then look at ours. It's any wonder they've got the best forward lines in the comp.

Perhaps you are correct.

Why should available resources have baring on the players we could get into the club?

 

[TheThunderboltKid]

I wouldn't trade any of our big 6 (Harry, Charlie, Evans, Cripps, Walsh, and Weitering)

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

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No--no, Not so fast, Lois.

A generational forward's a generational forward. But the father son pick could be anything. It could even be a generational forward! You know how much we've wanted one of those.

Then let's just--We'll take the father son pick.

We haven’t had a generational fwd since Sticks.
Fev could’ve been but we all know why he wasn’t.
Our current 2 have shown in patches they could’ve been, but unless they can string 4 or 5 seasons together, they’ve missed the boat.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

I wouldn't trade any of our big 6 (Harry, Charlie, Evans, Cripps, Walsh, and Weitering)

Especially when one is a generational talent that we can build the entire forward line around, and is still just 24yo.

 

[macky99]

I'm really hoping the clean out starts...

Sydney looked hopeless without a key forward... Charlie or Harry would make a world of difference for them, they have mids that can actually hit a target...

All these delusional hypothetical trades involving us getting Gulden or Warner for Charlie... not gonna happen. But the return for one of our key forwards will still be invaluable.

2025 1st + 2026 1st + Dattoli or Green ... we get a promising kid who fills a hole in our list (Dattoli fwd or Green ruck) plus we get a decent pick this year and a very valuable pick for next year's draft.

TDK and JSOS looks like it'll be revealed that they are gone very soon...

With HOF going down, Pitto as main ruck and compromised kpd stocks to add to our inept small forwards and midfield as well as our declining senior players, we really need to focus on rebuilding big time for next year's draft...

Walsh made a big statement that he wants to stay and more importantly WIN with this club. So I can no longer advocate to flick him off as a FA next year.

This still bodes well, we finish last, get pick 1 and then use the Swans 1st from the Charlie/Harry trade to match the bid for Cody.

I'd also look at offering our 2027 1st for another first next year... should really stack our hand for next year's draft. Tigers did it last year and it's looking good for them already...

Sydney's 1st pick is not attractive in a draft that lacks quality depth.
We are much better to keep a core group and make smart decisions & build around them.

Only way a deal gets done is if it is too good a offer to refuse whether that is players or high draft picks.

Bottoming out serves no purpose at all, under the current system around free agency & Academy picks very difficult to rebuild from the bottom now.

 

[Triniboy]

Its a balance given cripps and hewett's age, but I agree it feels like in the short term we end up with one too many midfielders

I agree...been saying this for a couple years but all the experts on here disagree...we need backline players who can hit a target.