List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[Dramoth]

Agree on that D. There was a lot of team mates not trusting each other.

I remember one instance where Ollie was streaming through the corridor screaming for the ball, and the skipper burnt him badly and turned the ball over. And the skipper looked straight at him and thought nah, I'm gonna bomb it long.

 

[Dramoth]

Wing or HHF for sure. Prefer Wing and Cotters HHF

Between the two of them, they have run all day.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Yes I think HFF, or wing. Not backline.

He’s a winger. Run him through the middle as well.
Although the suggestion by someone recently was made to play him bp. I just can’t even bother.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Hello.

I, like my fellow Eagles fan the page earlier come in peace.

When you say token picks, how token do you mean?

This is a weird case where even though we were almost certainly delisting the good chap six weeks ago but then he was given one last shot when we had some injuries and finally showed a little bit to warrant mild excitement.

As such he was offered a deal comparibile to Carlton’s and he’s still chosen you.
This makes this a weird case where we want the guy, and a nothing fourth round pick won’t cut it.

It also needs to be pointed out that hypothetically we could re draft him through either the PSD or ND, but also pointed out that our list management team has a large supply of Diddy’s finest baby oil and allows it to be used on itself. We don’t have a history of playing hard ball, not even with the new hierarchy, see paying pick 14 for out of contract Liam Baker last year as an example.

So. Where does that leave us. I have no idea.
Perhaps it ends up being a swap for Holland? I have my own reservations there but we have been linked.

I need to stress I’ve got a lot of time got Carlton. Great place, great fans and if I were a Melbournian instead of a Perthian I’d be a bagger with you lads and ladies. This is no way an inflammatory or troll post. If I’m off the mark, it’s well intentioned.

Cheers.

Being out of contract is key - once he is out of contract and not a proven starting 22 player you get next to nothing for him -even though you guys came late with a extension offer. There are so many examples of this in previous trades.

We need points in the draft for Dean and Ison and they cut out at 53. Chesser would be worth pick 54 at best (a 3rd rounder). 4th rounder far more likely.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

For mine this is good as it should allow Ollue to play where he should always have been played and that being wing. He is not a HBF. My biggest issue has been the persisting with players out of position for whatever reason. Maybe this is the righting of that. I rate Hollands, however a kicking coach over summer might be a novel idea!

He should be playing wing or HBF or whatever - but in the VFL until he can sort his kicking out.

The biggest weakness of Voss's coaching is his continuing to play guys who cannot kick at an AFL level.

It costs us any hope of finals.

Ollie is a prime offender but he's also weak physically so can't tackle or break tackles. His running strength doesn't make up for the weaknesses.

 

[Mop]

Being out of contract is key - once he is out of contract and not a proven starting 22 player you get next to nothing for him -even though you guys came late with a extension offer. There are so many examples of this in previous trades.

We need points in the draft for Dean and Ison and they cut out at 53. Chesser would be worth pick 54 at best (a 3rd rounder). 4th rounder far more likely.

Pick 54 does us absolutely no good. Literally none.

A future 3rd maybe I spose. This year? Zero function.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

I remember one instance where Ollie was streaming through the corridor screaming for the ball, and the skipper burnt him badly and turned the ball over. And the skipper looked straight at him and thought nah, I'm gonna bomb it long.

That's because Ollie is an appalling user of the ball. Of course his teammates are going to be reluctant to give it to him knowing there's a fair chance he'll hit an opponent on the chest.

Cripps generally one of our better ball users.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I think that putting Ollie back has helped with his defensive work TBH. If he team mates didn't burn him when he's an acre in the clear, he'd be doing a lot better.

I thought Ollie was great this year, I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t finish top 5 in the bnf

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Pick 54 does us absolutely no good. Literally none.

A future 3rd maybe I spose. This year? Zero function.

I'm not saying WC will be happy with that. But his trade value is still zero as he's out of contract.

Konstanty + Parker worth pick 44. Matt Kennedy = 38. Stringer = 53.

Far higher credentialed players than Chesser who nobody has heard of outside WC.

 

[DangerousD]

Only TDK and Curnow are top 10 players for us from that lot. Certainly Cincotta and Fantasia actually weaken your argument.

I am pointing out that in order for us to improve, we need to bring in players who offer more than these guys.

Going off the top of my head Fantasia and Cinc combined for 10, SOS played 13, TDK 23, Lij 2, Doc about 15.

That’s a bit to replace to improve

 

[Big Delut]

Pick 54 does us absolutely no good. Literally none.

A future 3rd maybe I spose. This year? Zero function.

Understandable it doesn't suit your club but it's about where these trades end up. I think it was a fairly similar situation with SPS and he only brought in a pick in the 50s which we turned into Lewis Young via a 3 way trade.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Pick 54 does us absolutely no good. Literally none.

A future 3rd maybe I spose. This year? Zero function.

That's good, cos last time I checked, we don't even have pick 54. Not sure where the poster came up with that. I agree that would be unders for the trade regardless of the potential injury risk.

Our 3rd round pick is currently pick 44 (not 54) according to zerohanger....which could come in a few picks on draft night, so could be getting closer to the mark.

Reckon there'll be a fair bit of movement though by both clubs with other trades, so I wouldn't get too hung up on current picks. Could end up just being a pick upgrade of some sorts.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Nominated Carlton:
Chesser
Khamis
Dean
Ison

Discussed here or Linked to:
Walter
Pick 6
Flanders
Sholl
Petrucelle
Florent
Reidy
Pick 2
Budarick
Butters
Reeves
Gothard
Gruzewski
Fritsch
Blight
Duursma
Rosas
Butts

Possibly Gone:
Motlop
McGovern
Curnow
E.Hollands
Acres

Already Gone:
TDK
Silvagni
Docherty (Retired)
Cincotta
Fantasia
Lemmey

 

[Beyond Blue]

He should be playing wing or HBF or whatever - but in the VFL until he can sort his kicking out.

The biggest weakness of Voss's coaching is his continuing to play guys who cannot kick at an AFL level.

It costs us any hope of finals.

Ollie is a prime offender but he's also weak physically so can't tackle or break tackles. His running strength doesn't make up for the weaknesses.

What you’ve highlighted is a weakness of the list at his disposal to choose from more so than a weakness of the coach I’d say.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

I am pointing out that in order for us to improve, we need to bring in players who offer more than these guys.

Going off the top of my head Fantasia and Cinc combined for 10, SOS played 13, TDK 23, Lij 2, Doc about 15.

That’s a bit to replace to improve

Those players you mention were part of a team that stank it up this year. We need to change.

Both ball use and leg speed were bottom of the league. We can't just re-sign the current playing group and hope for a different result. We need to free up cap space and list spots to fix the issue.

Jagga, Newman and Cottrell will all hopefully help with the ball use but it's nowhere near enough. We need 22 blokes who can reliably kick the ball to each other or we're missing finals again. As well as sprinkle through some real leg-speed.

I agree it's a big challenge for the list management team - they're going to have to use the draft and trades really well and target the specific players we need - but they can't do that without first opening up space.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

That's good, cos last time I checked, we don't even have pick 54. Not sure where the poster came up with that. I agree that would be unders for the trade regardless of the potential injury risk.

Our 3rd round pick is currently pick 44 (not 54) according to zerohanger....which could come in a few picks on draft night, so could be getting closer to the mark.

Reckon there'll be a fair bit of movement though by both clubs with other trades, so I wouldn't get too hung up on current picks. Could end up just being a pick upgrade of some sorts.

Current pick 44 is effectively 54 at best after the academy / compensation picks.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

On a side note, I reckon we could do worse than to sign Ethan Phillips as a DFA for a year.

Was dominant in our VFL side this year (of course won the B&F) and we're in need of a back up key defender with JSOS pissing off, HOF going down blah blah....

 

[Dramoth]

On a side note, I reckon we could do worse than to sign Ethan Phillips as a DFA for a year.

Was dominant in our VFL side this year (of course won the B&F) and we're in need of a back up key defender with JSOS pissing off, HOF going down blah blah....

Been told me may be Essendon bound. I hope not. Would be a great grab. Other options would be Jacob Blight or, a for son of the blues, Angus Schumacher. Has grown and filed out and came equal 7th in the Magarey. He’s not 193 and looks around 95-98kg.

 

[BlueTongue]

Been told me may be Essendon bound. I hope not. Would be a great grab. Other options would be Jacob Blight or, a for son of the blues, Angus Schumacher. Has grown and filed out and came equal 7th in the Magarey. He’s not 193 and looks around 95-98kg.

I really don't get why we dont try him in the 22. He's not going to be any worse than Young.
He had reasonable wraps when we signed him and I thought he may get a run, but it seems even the VFL B&F win wont get him in, so the club must have put a line through him. Who knows why.

 

[ctwenty1]

Chesser confirmed, talk of Sholl and our chase of HBs with speed and foot skills.

Where does that leave Ollie?
Has some really good traits, though his lack of strength, peripheral vision and foot skills, let him down at times.

Knows how to kick a goal maybe HF?

Ollie will be fine

I’d be wrapt if these guys displace Ollie and push him up to the wing.

 

[Blueyourmyboy!!]

I don't get why they're not having a crack for luke pedler He's on the fringe at the crows. He's a tough nut, nice kick and plays half forward and when he's picked he hits the scoreboard.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I don't get why they're not having a crack for luke pedler He's on the fringe at the crows. He's a tough nut, nice kick and plays half forward and when he's picked he hits the scoreboard.

He’s a SA kid who plays in his home state and is contracted until the end of 2026. I get he looks good when he plays so understand you raising the question.

I don’t see him wanting to play outside his home state unless he is told he doesn’t have a future at the Crows. And I don’t think he will be told that for a while at least

 

[Moon]

Reckons the surgery was the right option and thinks WCE would be spewing they have lost him after the work they have put in getting him right.

Not a huge fan of Players who happily accept a bundle of $ and supported by a Club who stick by them throughout their Injury recovery ... and once recovered want to leave and join another Club.

 

[COACH25]

Players possibly getting traded or delisted .
Curnow- hopefully stays if not trade for a very good deal
Acres contracted to 2027. Possibly trade.
Durdin contract 2026? Trade if possible
Jaxon Binns 2026 contract trade.
Motlop hopefully 2 year deal recommits
Boyd 2026 contract happy to keep full preseason could come back into team.
Forgarty 2026 contract happy to trade
Matt Duffy 2026 contract move on if possible
Mcogvern hopefully extends on a 1 year deal
Rob monohan delist.

 

[kreuze_missile]

Nominated Carlton:
Chesser
Khamis
Dean
Ison

Discussed here or Linked to:
Walter
Pick 6
Flanders
Sholl
Petrucelle
Florent
Reidy
Pick 2
Budarick
Butters
Reeves
Gothard
Gruzewski
Fritsch
Blight
Duursma
Rosas
Butts

Possibly Gone:
Motlop
McGovern
Curnow
E.Hollands
Acres

Already Gone:
TDK
Silvagni
Docherty (Retired)
Cincotta
Fantasia
Lemmey

Last 2 years...

Talent out
TDK
Silvagni
Docherty (Retired)
Kennedy
Martin
Owies
Hollands

Talent in
Haynes