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[Aphrodite]

 

[DangerousD]

Sorry DD, I might have missed it, but is this "itk" talk or just general talk here on the board?

Depends who you call an ITK, a few posters who have been around a long time have been saying the same things regards to the draft and have been for a while, it’s been passed off as information more than opinion, doesn’t make it fact of course.

 

[DangerousD]

Moving ahead of a Dean bid will be very expensive.
Given we already spent a lot last year to get Jagga, and will (it’s looking extremely likely) now have to spend a lot to get Cody next year, I just don’t think we have enough currency that it would be a sensible decision.

We will also still need points for Dean, and now likely Ison.
It doesn’t add up.

To have a good idea with cost you’d need a good idea of who might pick him. Who do you see as placing a bid? I don’t see WC bidding at 1 and 2, I don’t see Richmond bidding at 3 and 4 or ESS at 5 and 6, that leaves Saints and Hawks to worry about.

I don’t see it costing a huge amount to get GC pick 7 which is ahead of the Saints, surely they try push it back for extra points.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Moving ahead of a Dean bid will be very expensive.
Given we already spent a lot last year to get Jagga, and will (it’s looking extremely likely) now have to spend a lot to get Cody next year, I just don’t think we have enough currency that it would be a sensible decision.

We will also still need points for Dean, and now likely Ison.
It doesn’t add up.

If we get #10 off the Swans in the Charlie trade, we combine #10 + #11, WCE might jump at that with #2...

Or maybe the Tigers with #4, * with #5/6 + they give us #24 back as well...

We take best available, we still have the JSOS compo pick, plus we'll acquire other picks through trades. It's not that expensive, especially when you consider the Dean bid will chew up our #11 anyway...

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Is it that much? 2 gets Petracca and change, have a crack at Butters next year, 17 covers Dean points after sliding back and F1 along with your F1 probably covers Walker next year.

Obviously just guessing based on media talk re their contracts but...

TDK - 1 mil +
Curnow 1 mil +
JSOS - 6-700k
Docherty - 6-700k
McGovern - 5-600k
Acres 4-500k
Elijah - 3-400k

Be somewhere in that area id think.

 

[Blue and Silver]

At this point the draft is underrated.

There is talent there.

But probably more boom bust prospects then usual and fewer rolled gold at the top

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

Hey fellas and ladies, in the hypothetical event that Curnow leaves, is this trade palatable for Blues posters?

CARL OUT: Curnow, 10
CARL IN: 2, 17, F1 (GCS), Chesser

*noting you’d either trade 17 for another F1 or split it again for Dean points.

 

[Stamos]

Overpaying is the issue, buying a player in an inflated market sets a precedent for the rest of the group and new recruits moving forward.

In the case of TDK I saw us offering probably $100,00-$200,000 more than market value and the Daints offering $600,000-$800,000 more than his value, * supposedly offering Bailey over $1M and I’m sure King will be offered a stack.

It doesn’t seem like good business to me unless you are adding a final piece player.

Yep. Don’t want another Gov contract.

 

[BlueTongue]

Overpaying is the issue, buying a player in an inflated market sets a precedent for the rest of the group and new recruits moving forward.

In the case of TDK I saw us offering probably $100,00-$200,000 more than market value and the Daints offering $600,000-$800,000 more than his value, * supposedly offering Bailey over $1M and I’m sure King will be offered a stack.

It doesn’t seem like good business to me unless you are adding a final piece player.

100%. And these 'final pieces' should only be added if you are finals bound.
Not when you have 4 or 5 other holes to fill and no-where near the top 8.

 

[branedotorg]

Hey fellas and ladies, in the hypothetical event that Curnow leaves, is this trade palatable for Blues posters?

CARL OUT: Curnow, 10
CARL IN: 2, 17, F1 (GCS), Chesser

*noting you’d either trade 17 for another F1 or split it again for Dean points.

I would fwiw

 

[Jimmae]

Hey fellas and ladies, in the hypothetical event that Curnow leaves, is this trade palatable for Blues posters?

CARL OUT: Curnow, 10
CARL IN: 2, 17, F1 (GCS), Chesser

*noting you’d either trade 17 for another F1 or split it again for Dean points.

Counter-offer specifically for West Coast: Sydney's pick 11, Acres, McGovern, our F2 for 2 and Chesser?

 

[eaglevision]

Counter-offer specifically for West Coast: Sydney's pick 11, Acres, McGovern, our F2 for 2 and Chesser?

Politely decline that one. Acres and McGovern don’t move the needle so pick 11 and your F2 for 2 and Chesser isn’t something I’d be keen on.

Chesser’s value is going to be an interesting watch, have a feeling it’s going to end up involving more clubs than just ours.

Curnow on his way to Sydney you think? FFS don’t send him to the Cats.

 

[GoBlues!]

NTTAWWT

Mason Cox at Carlton…..yes, yes there is something WWT.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Politely decline that one. Acres and McGovern don’t move the needle so pick 11 and your F2 for 2 and Chesser isn’t something I’d be keen on.

Chesser’s value is going to be an interesting watch, have a feeling it’s going to end up involving more clubs than just ours.

Curnow on his way to Sydney you think? FFS don’t send him to the Cats.

I think we end up targeting pick 2 either via a trade with the Suns or Sydney for their picks for Curnow.

Flanders will allow them to orchestrate a 3 way deal id imagine, then we probably include Gov, Acres or Hollands in that for 2 and Chesser coming back.

 

[eaglevision]

I think we end up targeting pick 2 either via a trade with the Suns or Sydney for their picks for Curnow.

Flanders will allow them to orchestrate a 3 way deal id imagine, then we probably include Gov, Acres or Hollands in that for 2 and Chesser coming back.

This is the grand plan:

WCE OUT: 2,17,21,24,35, Chesser, Ryan
WCE IN: 7,8,10, Davies, F2 (STK)

GCS OUT: 7, F1, Flanders, Davies
GCS IN: Curnow, 21,24,35

CARL OUT: Curnow, 10
CARL IN: 2, 17, F1 (GCS), Chesser

STK OUT: 8, F2 (STK)
STK IN: Flanders, Ryan

Think it suits everyone’s needs but the crucial part is how badly GCS want Curnow. Saints get their targets, Blues get well compensated and a 2nd F1 for Walker, GCS get their man and the points they need for their academy kids.

I really hope our idiot list manager doesn’t chase Acres and Gov jnr

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

This is the grand plan:

WCE OUT: 2,17,21,24,35, Chesser, Ryan
WCE IN: 7,8,10, Davies, F2 (STK)

GCS OUT: 7, F1, Flanders, Davies
GCS IN: Curnow, 21,24,35

CARL OUT: Curnow, 10
CARL IN: 2, 17, F1 (GCS), Chesser

STK OUT: 8, F2 (STK)
STK IN: Flanders, Ryan

Think it suits everyone’s needs but the crucial part is how badly GCS want Curnow. Saints get their targets, Blues get well compensated and a 2nd F1 for Walker, GCS get their man and the points they need for their academy kids.

I really hope our idiot list manager doesn’t chase Acres and Gov jnr

Don't mind it... Chuck in Malcolm Rosas or Budarick as some small fwd depth and I could see it getting close.

Out of curiosity, how would you see it getting done if it were Sydney rather than the Suns involved between the three of us? Have found that one a bit more difficult to envision thus far.

 

[CoachB]

How many sporting leagues around the world allow you to trade contracted players without consent?

Most of them.

 

[eaglevision]

Don't mind it... Chuck in Malcolm Rosas or Budarick as some small fwd depth and I could see it getting close.

Out of curiosity, how would you see it getting done if it were Sydney rather than the Suns involved between the three of us? Have found that one a bit more difficult to envision thus far.

TBF I think GCS are the club who could push for more in that deal. Swans deal is simple if they want to win a flag. They send us Chad and Corey Warner, Curnow and your F2 go to Swans then pick 2, Chesser and Swans F1 to Carlton. Probably needs to be balanced with a couple of late 2Rs to Sydney to help with their academy matching. Something like:

SYD OUT: Warner Bros, F1
SYD IN: Curnow, Pick 33, 35, F2 (CARL)

CARL OUT: Curnow, Pick 35, F2 (CARL)
CARL IN: Pick 2, Swans F1, Chesser

WCE OUT: Pick 2, Pick 33, Chesser
WCE IN: Warner Bros

 

[CoachB]

Yep they’re the only ones I know of, it also says in relation to these leagues that players can have no trade clauses put in their contracts.

So say it got up in the AFL, what would stop players who were drafted to a club in their home state, refusing to sign an extension unless they had a no trade clause inserted?

I also don’t see this happening here fwiw

Very few no trade clauses in the NBA, maybe Le Bron and that's about it.

 

[Stamos]

TBF I think GCS are the club who could push for more in that deal. Swans deal is simple if they want to win a flag. They send us Chad and Corey Warner, Curnow and your F2 go to Swans then pick 2, Chesser and Swans F1 to Carlton. Probably needs to be balanced with a couple of late 2Rs to Sydney to help with their academy matching. Something like:

SYD OUT: Warner Bros, F1
SYD IN: Curnow, Pick 33, 35, F2 (CARL)

CARL OUT: Curnow, Pick 35, F2 (CARL)
CARL IN: Pick 2, Swans F1, Chesser

WCE OUT: Pick 2, Pick 33, Chesser
WCE IN: Warner Bros

This is truly horrible for Carlton.
There’s no way we would do it.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

This is truly horrible for Carlton.
There’s no way we would do it.

It does seem like it. If it was the 2026 draft pick 2 would be worth about double what it is in this draft, Walker + one of Cochrane or Butler would be an utterly absurd pairing to pick up in one draft.

 

[eaglevision]

This is truly horrible for Carlton.
There’s no way we would do it.

Look our swap is essentially with the swans, which I think looks about right.

Carlton have every right to value Curnow exactly where they want to but as a neutral I’d be genuinely surprised if the media and industry thought that was a bad deal for Carlton.

Would it change anything if we sent our F1 to Sydney instead of pick 2? That might be Dougie Cochrane.

 

[Stamos]

It does seem like it. If it was the 2026 draft pick 2 would be worth about double what it is in this draft, Walker + one of Cochrane or Butler would be an utterly absurd pairing to pick up in one draft.

How would we get the currency to get both?
Eagles F1 would be spent on Cody.

But back to a trade this year, we can’t trade Charlie in a deal where picks end up being the major component at the end of trade week.

 

[Stamos]

Look our swap is essentially with the swans, which I think looks about right.

Carlton have every right to value Curnow exactly where they want to but as a neutral I’d be genuinely surprised if the media and industry thought that was a bad deal for Carlton.

Would it change anything if we sent our F1 to Sydney instead of pick 2? That might be Dougie Cochrane.

That would be a better deal, but is still a terrible trade for us.
Giving up a superstar key forward for picks would be crazy. If we trade him we need a gun/s coming back.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

How would we get the currency to get both?
Eagles F1 would be spent on Cody.

But back to a trade this year, we can’t trade Charlie in a deal where picks end up being the major component at the end of trade week.

We wouldn't. I'm just saying the top of this draft class simply isn't of the same caliber of others so I don't think we'd let Curnow go for essentially just pick 2 this year. Next year would be a different story.

 

[eaglevision]

That would be a better deal, but is still a terrible trade for us.
Giving up a superstar key forward for picks would be crazy. If we trade him we need a gun/s coming back.

Well you guys can name your price, he’s contracted. A really important question to ask is where is the list at and will Curnow play in a premiership at Carlton? If the answer is no then does it make sense to move on a 28yo at peak value?