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[DocT]

I didnt think he was a potato at all. Logue was a decent defender. He was great when he was on Curnow. Completely shut him out of the game.

I liked Logue but was happy for him to move on for security and opportunity.

I liked him too but he was a disappointing pick 8. He was more a 2nd rounder (with hindsight).

 

[Taylor]

2018, Freo had pick #6 and then about pick #85. We also had no key forwards outside of Matt Taberner, we had no forward ruckman, Sandi played half the season and Darcy was two years into his career.

Jesse Hogan wanted to come home, Rory Lobb wanted to come home.

These two types of players were exactly what we needed.

I understand why they went and bought them. I get why they traded pick #6 for #11, #23, #30, #43

Wasn't super happy that Lachie Neale was offered 3 to 4x the money for his contracted year to move to Brisbane. Especially in hindsight because we front loaded Lobb's deal and put Hogan on almost twice what Neale was being paid - we could have matched their offer financially but couldn't have promised to keep her mother at arms length.

Nor could we promise him the #1 role in the midfield since Nathan Fyfe was going to fill that to Brownlow Medal standard the following season.

I'm not convinced that without having tasted finals success in 2022 that we have retained our Victorian midfield, or the interstate players we draft with picks we don't trade for Lobb and Hogan.

We probably draft Jordan Clark with a pick in the first round that year anyway, we were very into him. Whether that would have been good for his career longevity I do not know, his time at Geelong had some hard truths levelled at him. He might have needed the experience of being away, struggling for opportunities and then coming home to grab his full potential.

 

[Docker82]

You cant really think that.

This trade gives me nightmares. That trade period set the rebuild back 2 or 3 years. Probably more.

We could have walked away with pick 5 and 6, that was Rozee and King (Pick taken at our picks, Bailey Smith, Caldwell, Butters were taken after this as well), instead we got Hogan, Lobb, Sturt and a 2nd rounder.

I laugh and laugh when I think about Eagles splitting top 6 picks for players, and missing out on Sheezel and co, but that is exactly what we did to get Lobb. You can't split top 5 picks in a rebuild, you just need top end talent at your club. We cost ourselves two A graders.



FYI - Brisbane had pick 5, we could have taken that. Instead they trade pick 5 for pick 6 and 25 and gave them both to us for Neale.

We could’ve easily brought Lobb without splitting Pick 5/6. In fact I think if we never do the prior trade where we did so Lobb’s time at the club is looked at quite favourably.

Lobb had similar value to what Nathan Wilson did the year before IMO. Should’ve been a second rounder and peanuts. Technically the actual Lobb trade was worth less such as the incompetence of the points value index.

 

[Dockeroo]

2018, Freo had pick #6 and then about pick #85. We also had no key forwards outside of Matt Taberner, we had no forward ruckman, Sandi played half the season and Darcy was two years into his career.

Jesse Hogan wanted to come home, Rory Lobb wanted to come home.

These two types of players were exactly what we needed.

I understand why they went and bought them. I get why they traded pick #6 for #11, #23, #30, #43

Wasn't super happy that Lachie Neale was offered 3 to 4x the money for his contracted year to move to Brisbane. Especially in hindsight because we front loaded Lobb's deal and put Hogan on almost twice what Neale was being paid - we could have matched their offer financially but couldn't have promised to keep her mother at arms length.

Nor could we promise him the #1 role in the midfield since Nathan Fyfe was going to fill that to Brownlow Medal standard the following season.

I'm not convinced that without having tasted finals success in 2022 that we have retained our Victorian midfield, or the interstate players we draft with picks we don't trade for Lobb and Hogan.

We probably draft Jordan Clark with a pick in the first round that year anyway, we were very into him. Whether that would have been good for his career longevity I do not know, his time at Geelong had some hard truths levelled at him. He might have needed the experience of being away, struggling for opportunities and then coming home to grab his full potential.

It wasn’t Jordan Clark we were into.

It was Zak Butters. Went at pick 12, I recall talk that Walls was obsessed with him pre draft.

Agree 100% with go_the_dockers it was unforgivable to split pick 6 for Rory Lobb and if they had their time back there is not a hope we would have done that again.

 

[Docker82]

It wasn’t Jordan Clark we were into.

It was Zak Butters. Went at pick 12, I recall talk that Walls was obsessed with him pre draft.

Agree 100% with go_the_dockers it was unforgivable to split pick 6 for Rory Lobb and if they had their time back there is not a hope we would have done that again.

Pick 6 was split just as much for the Jesse Hogan trade.

I wouldn’t blame Lobb tbh. It would’ve been quite simple to keep picks 5 and 6 and bring Lobb through the door as well using future picks from the Neale trade. Only thing that changes would be not getting Hogan.

Probably worth remembering the pick swap with Port Adelaide whcih was the actual trade done to downgrade Pick 6 was done when Peter Bell was trying to say we were keeping Neale and weren’t as keen on Hogan. The blame should be entirely on Peter Bell.

 

[theGav56]

You cant really think that.

This trade gives me nightmares. That trade period set the rebuild back 2 or 3 years. Probably more.

We could have walked away with pick 5 and 6, that was Rozee and King (Pick taken at our picks, Bailey Smith, Caldwell, Butters were taken after this as well), instead we got Hogan, Lobb, Sturt and a 2nd rounder.

I laugh and laugh when I think about Eagles splitting top 6 picks for players, and missing out on Sheezel and co, but that is exactly what we did to get Lobb. You can't split top 5 picks in a rebuild, you just need top end talent at your club. We cost ourselves two A graders.



FYI - Brisbane had pick 5, we could have taken that. Instead they trade pick 5 for pick 6 and 25 and gave them both to us for Neale.

Trading Neale for a future Coleman Medalist is a fair deal. It wasn't trade value that was at fault.

 

[thistimeforsure]

It’s round [emoji638], maybe give him/them a chance to turn it around first. Brisbane were [emoji638]-[emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]] to start the year last year with wins over North & Melbourne.

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[Halfbaked]

That’s a silly argument - even the most experienced side in the league has guys in certain positions that have only played 20 or 30 games in it.

The point remains that our core, is broadly experienced.
We have 2 midfielders in Serong and Brayshaw are are now in the absolute prime of their careers. Neither of them are getting any better than what we have already seen from them, which at their best is AA level football. What there might be are form dips - which is a consistency issue for all top players. The true greats don’t dip in form very much or often though.

Our key pillars in defence are also at the absolute peak of their powers right now, in terms of age and experience. In fact, if anything there are some initial signs that Luke Ryan has started to go over the other side of the ledger and decline ever so slightly. He’s not a spring chicken any more and I would not be one bit surprised if his best football is behind him.

I’ll give you Treacy and amiss are still developing in attack and there is hopefully some further improvement in both of them, though it’s a lot harder than people think. I’d be thrilled for Tracy to kick 45 goals a season for the next 8 years. That would be a fantastic result.
We just added Bolton, a 26 year old AA with about 140 games played and in his absolute prime as a footballer, to that forward line though, to support them.

We have two experienced rucks with over 100 games each in Darcy and Jackson.

Nah. Don’t give me the inexperienced excuse anymore.

My last post on this subject. You write like someone who isn't very experienced with AFL.
Yes we do have two experienced rucks and if Darcy plays Voss wouldn't have . That is the point.
When or if Voss gets to '20 or 30 games ' I hope he doesn't make basic errors.
I think Voss is going to be good AFL performer in the future.
For all the long repetitive arguments you write you can't change two facts.
Historically experience matters in the AFL and we have least experienced team at the moment.
Today at times we will have 3 players with a combined 11games experience in our forward line. They will make mistakes.

 

[dominguez]

Trading Neale for a future Coleman Medalist is a fair deal. It wasn't trade value that was at fault.

There's a type of player worth bringing home and there's players that are a huge risk.

Guys like O'Meara and Bolton who have their off field life in order and want to come home for family reasons are worth pursuing.

Single lads like Hogan and McCarthy who love a night out and will be reunited with their school mates tend to be a handful.

 

[dominguez]

My last post on this subject. You write like someone who isn't very experienced with AFL.
Yes we do have two experienced rucks and if Darcy plays Voss wouldn't have . That is the point.
When or if Voss gets to '20 or 30 games ' I hope he doesn't make basic errors.
I think Voss is going to be good AFL performer in the future.
For all the long repetitive arguments you write you can't change two facts.
Historically experience matters in the AFL and we have least experienced team at the moment.
Today at times we will have 3 players with a combined 11games experience in our forward line. They will make mistakes.

Voss is 21 and will be handy depth.

We've been bitten by guys like Sam Collins and Lloyd Meek who were ready to step up when pushed out the door.

Voss had an almost game last week, took some nice marks and 4 or 5 shots on goal but a massive error on the wing and poor goal kicking. If he has a good fortnight and Amiss keeps struggling the match committee have a tough call on their hands when Darcy hopefully returns.

 

[Docker82]

Voss is 21 and will be handy depth.

We've been bitten by guys like Sam Collins and Lloyd Meek who were ready to step up when pushed out the door.

Voss had an almost game last week, took some nice marks and 4 or 5 shots on goal but a massive error on the wing and poor goal kicking. If he has a good fortnight and Amiss keeps struggling the match committee have a tough call on their hands when Darcy hopefully returns.

People act like the good teams actually have amazing depth in every position.

Brisbane had 4-5 best 23 players injured by last year’s Grand Final. So around 27-28 players either in the 23 on the day or injured. Their emergencies were absolute no names that’d barely played AFL and/or had already been delisted by other clubs.

Let’s ignore that howler from Voss in the last few minutes. Apart from that he just needs to nail a few set shots - Fix that consistently and he’s out the door for opportunity end of the season. That’s what happens with good depth. The good teams keep best 22 players and find a way to develop/recruit good depth each off season. They don’t have the same depth players consistently season after season.

Voss won’t get to 40 games for Freo without getting traded first unless he becomes best 22 or stays at his current level.

 

[Dayts]

Eat a big pile of Baker and enjoy your derby floggings till you retire

 

[go_the_dockers]

16 points, 3 out on the full. 4 or 5 bad entries at least

Just need to tidy up a bit and we could have easily kicked 20 plus goals.

 

[Lach72]

The decision to give Worner a 2 year deal is frankly disgraceful

 

[go_the_dockers]

Once again we are severely short of good ball users. Desperately need to find 2 or 3 to add to our list.

 

[lint]

Once again we are severely short of good ball users. Desperately need to find 2 or 3 to add to our list.

I think it's something we have lost sight of in all of the Walls praise. I was going to say maybe WA doesn't produce great kicks anymore but Geelong picked up Lawson Humphrey from Swan Districts at pick 63 in 2023. He'd be one of the bets kicks on both sides of his body in the comp this year. Not a WA product, but imagine if we picked up Nathan Wanganeen-Milera (pick 11) at pick 10 in 2021 instead of Erasmus.

With those 2 players in our side, with Young and Reid, I reckon we would be top 4.

 

[thistimeforsure]

Early days and all but some of the talent coming out of this draft is looking pretty amazing

Bolton is a good player but I dunno anther [emoji638] X [emoji637]sts on the list and a good chunk of cap

Looking a bit shakey at this stage

I agree with what someone said this week , young kids are coming in super developed already so add [emoji638]+ years to the normal career trajectory when thinking about contract’s etc

 

[Lach72]

Early days and all but some of the talent coming out of this draft is looking pretty amazing

Bolton is a good player but I dunno anther [emoji638] X [emoji637]sts on the list and a good chunk of cap

Looking a bit shakey at this stage

I agree with what someone said this week , young kids are coming in super developed already so add [emoji638]+ years to the normal career trajectory when thinking about contract’s etc

Bolton was great midfield today. Not shaken at all

 

[thistimeforsure]

Bolton was great midfield today. Not shaken at all

You were the number one cheerleader for getting him in , I was one of the main ones arguing ti keep drafting

Not much use us talking about it really

 

[Taylor]

Bolton had =2nd game high score involvements, with Murphy Reid.

=3rd inside fifties.

Handy burst player in there.

 

[ubiquitous226]

Bolton had =2nd game high score involvements, with Murphy Reid.

=3rd inside fifties.

Handy burst player in there.

Felt like Bolton had an almost game, but a few bad decisions, and wasn't quite linked in with his team mates, but did some good things too.

 

[Andy Brennan]

Felt like Bolton had an almost game, but a few bad decisions, and wasn't quite linked in with his team mates, but did some good things too.

Seemed like he wanted to score that 1st Freo goal a little too much a few times and didn't take the best option

 

[FreoRicci]

I didnt think he was a potato at all. Logue was a decent defender. He was great when he was on Curnow. Completely shut him out of the game.

I liked Logue but was happy for him to move on for security and opportunity.

He was.
A pick 8 and can’t really do anything but run to spoil. Waste.
McGovern is a rookie pick.
Stewart was a pick 50.

Shai Bolton was in the same draft. Pick 19. Even at the time I couldn’t understand why Logue was so high. All reports just said he’s an athlete. So?

Logue amounted to nothing more than a medium sized defender. Could’ve been a decent medium forward such as Mayne, but wanted to be a defender.

 

[FreoRicci]

Pick 6 was split just as much for the Jesse Hogan trade.

I wouldn’t blame Lobb tbh. It would’ve been quite simple to keep picks 5 and 6 and bring Lobb through the door as well using future picks from the Neale trade. Only thing that changes would be not getting Hogan.

Probably worth remembering the pick swap with Port Adelaide whcih was the actual trade done to downgrade Pick 6 was done when Peter Bell was trying to say we were keeping Neale and weren’t as keen on Hogan. The blame should be entirely on Peter Bell.

Would you trade that pick for the 2024 Jesse Hogan? Without a doubt.
But unfortunately WA is a fishbowl and even worst for Fremantle players. It’s disgusting and disgraceful. Hogan was never going to stay.

 

[FreoRicci]

You were the number one cheerleader for getting him in , I was one of the main ones arguing ti keep drafting

Not much use us talking about it really

He’s a must have.
Drafting.. for what reason?