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[serial_thrilla]

 

[worsemim]

Did he not finish like 4th and 5th in our bnf the two years before the trade?

Yep, and I think that's a reasonable assessment of his value to the team around 2018ish. But a significant portion of the fanbase hated him for the regular ootfs, and other non-skill-error extremely poor choices going i50. (I largely remember this from getting into stupid internet arguments defending him.)

 

[Docker82]

Yep, and I think that's a reasonable assessment of his value to the team around 2018ish. But a significant portion of the fanbase hated him for the regular ootfs, and other non-skill-error extremely poor choices going i50. (I largely remember this from getting into stupid internet arguments defending him.)

Think they were largely similar value players tbh but Melbourne's ladder position (17th) that year gave them leverage we won't have as a finals side.

We all know Melbourne probably won't throw McVee to the drafts but if they do McVee is playing for West Coast in 2026. If we'd done that for Langdon then Melbourne had pick two in the PSD (Gold Coast finished last so wouldn't have taken him).

I don't think just pick 29 is enough but think that getting McVee without using pick 11 is more than possible. Clubs needing points don't really have the picks in the early 20s atm so it might be a matter of seeing how things play out early in trade period.

Pick 29 is pick 34 after FA compensation btw. McVee is a top 15, maybe even top 10 player on Melbourne's list. Would anyone on here trade a top 15 player on our list for pick 34?

 

[Suma Says]

Feel like we've collectively forgot the tenor of fan reactions to Ed Langdon asking for a trade, half our fanbase was at "I would pay someone to take him".

A lot of fans wouldn't know their arseh*le from their ear hole. He might be a butcher but his defensive workrate up and down that wing was elite, and providing enough of a link option to average something like 25 touches a game.... Ed is and was a very handy player

 

[s_wd6]

Think they were largely similar value players tbh but Melbourne's ladder position (17th) that year gave them leverage we won't have as a finals side.

We all know Melbourne probably won't throw McVee to the drafts but if they do McVee is playing for West Coast in 2026. If we'd done that for Langdon then Melbourne had pick two in the PSD (Gold Coast finished last so wouldn't have taken him).

I don't think just pick 29 is enough but think that getting McVee without using pick 11 is more than possible. Clubs needing points don't really have the picks in the early 20s atm so it might be a matter of seeing how things play out early in trade period.

Langdon was a better player and had a much, much better final year than McVee. Factor that in among everything else and 29 is more than enough.

 

[Superkoops]

We wanted the earlier 2nd round pick from Melbourne which from memory was then used with Adelaide to then initiate a further trade with Melbourne to push up the pick 10 to pick 8. The net result for Langdon was likely around 28-30. Considering F2 and the upgrade from 26 to 22 which was a valuable increase.

This will no doubt be referenced.

Then there is Liam Henry which was F2 with a slight upgrade of later picks. That one ended up around 30-32 range.

I see McVee in this range between Langdon and Henry (ie 28-32). So our second round pick should be enough but we may need to sweeten this. Whilst it currently sits at 29 there is definitely 4 FA compo picks that fall before 29 (Allen, TDK, Draper, Silvani) and another 1-2 that could fall to band 3 just after (Worpel and Mihocek). So that pick when traded will be 33-34 so we will need to sweeten.

 

[blue shark]

Other than Vossy who kicks the goals though ?

Our mids can’t kick straight

Freddy is a headless chook most of the time

Amiss - what is he even doing out there most of the time

Bolton not as many as he should

Dudley has a crack but nowhere near a good small forward

Treacy has a crack but has a bigger role up the ground

Our Wings don’t kick goals -Johnson / Sharp

I’d like to trial Simpson on a wing or half forward , kid knows how to move and deliver the ball
The rest of them need a bloody good shake up

Some of the calls made on players is ridiculous. Simpson has played like what 5 AFL games?
The same BS was put on Erasmus, and how did that work for other clubs with
Voss?
50 AFL games is always a good indicator unless they are totally hopeless.

 

[Docker82]

Langdon was a better player and had a much, much better final year than McVee. Factor that in among everything else and 29 is more than enough.

Would you trade any of our top 15 players for pick 34?

Let's stop pretending it's pick 29 when Allen, TDK, Draper, Silvagni and Worpel won't push it back to pick 34.

Pick 34 isn't getting it done.

 

[Madas]

Some of the calls made on players is ridiculous. Simpson has played like what 5 AFL games?
The same BS was put on Erasmus, and how did that work for other clubs with
Voss?
50 AFL games is always a good indicator unless they are totally hopeless.

Sorry not sure of your point here ?
Which calls are ridiculous?

 

[Taylor]

Would you trade any of our top 15 players for pick 34?

Let's stop pretending it's pick 29 when Allen, TDK, Draper, Silvagni and Worpel won't push it back to pick 34.

Pick 34 isn't getting it done.

If we had that player out of contract and should the deal not go through they still get to move home for free to a competitor - then we have to take the deal.

If WC were chasing him he would be worth nothing in trade.

 

[Docker82]

We wanted the earlier 2nd round pick from Melbourne which from memory was then used with Adelaide to then initiate a further trade with Melbourne to push up the pick 10 to pick 8. The net result for Langdon was likely around 28-30. Considering F2 and the upgrade from 26 to 22 which was a valuable increase.

This will no doubt be referenced.

Then there is Liam Henry which was F2 with a slight upgrade of later picks. That one ended up around 30-32 range.

I see McVee in this range between Langdon and Henry (ie 28-32). So our second round pick should be enough but we may need to sweeten this. Whilst it currently sits at 29 there is definitely 4 FA compo picks that fall before 29 (Allen, TDK, Draper, Silvani) and another 1-2 that could fall to band 3 just after (Worpel and Mihocek). So that pick when traded will be 33-34 so we will need to sweeten.

In what world do Worpel and Mihocek get the same compensation pick.

Worpel might be either end of first round or second round.

Given his age Mihocek should be nothing but might get third round if the AFL's formula is really ****ed.

 

[Taylor]

Freo should just do a Carlton and "take pick #11 off the table" immediately, or do a St Kilda and trade it before discussions with Melbourne progress.

Then when our second round pick is all we have left, that's all we have.

 

[Madas]

Some of the calls made on players is ridiculous. Simpson has played like what 5 AFL games?
The same BS was put on Erasmus, and how did that work for other clubs with
Voss?
50 AFL games is always a good indicator unless they are totally hopeless.

If you’re saying the Simpson to the wing call is ridiculous then I would say hes a far better player than Sharp and we gave Sharp plenty of opportunities to secure that wing role but he didn’t cut it .

 

[Lach72]

Would rather Simpson off half back with Chapman up to a wing.

A taller wingman who can be given licence to punch balls aggressively forward

 

[blue shark]

Sorry not sure of your point here ?
Which calls are ridiculous?

Simpson was tried once or twice as a small forward or the sub.
But apparently he either makes it as back or is a bust.
About 5 games, some as the sub and he
has already been pigeonholed.

 

[Taylor]

Would rather Simpson off half back with Chapman up to a wing.

A taller wingman who can be given licence to punch balls aggressively forward

Wonderful point on the aerial contest capability of Chapman. If we have stoppage dominance then our wing being able to either mark it or spoil it out of bounds for a throw in, good bail out kick option.

 

[s_wd6]

Would you trade any of our top 15 players for pick 34?

Let's stop pretending it's pick 29 when Allen, TDK, Draper, Silvagni and Worpel won't push it back to pick 34.

Pick 34 isn't getting it done.

If they were out of contract I’d have no choice

 

[Dockernut]

Would rather Simpson off half back with Chapman up to a wing.

A taller wingman who can be given licence to punch balls aggressively forward

Ease up on the punching balls aggressively will ya Lach?

 

[blue shark]

Would rather Simpson off half back with Chapman up to a wing.

A taller wingman who can be given licence to punch balls aggressively forward

All depends on Chapmans fitness levels and durability.
He has the talent, but wing requires Km’s in the legs.
I think Johnson could also do the exact role.

 

[Lach72]

Ease up on the punching balls aggressively will ya Lach?

 

[Purple Suit]

Freo should just do a Carlton and "take pick #11 off the table" immediately, or do a St Kilda and trade it before discussions with Melbourne progress.

Then when our second round pick is all we have left, that's all we have.

Pick 11 isn’t apart of any McVee deal unless it involves Melbourne’s F1.

 

[Lach72]

All depends on Chapmans fitness levels and durability.
He has the talent, but wing requires Km’s in the legs.
I think Johnson could also do the exact role.

Chapman has a better kick.

 

[Superkoops]

In what world do Worpel and Mihocek get the same compensation pick.

Worpel might be either end of first round or second round.

Given his age Mihocek should be nothing but might get third round if the AFL's formula is really ****ed.

Depends on the salary. From an age perspective with Mihocek you’re right but sounds like the salary is decent as Melbourne are desperate for a key forward. So potentially band 5 for Mihocek which is third round pick.

Worpel I have no idea but seems likely band 3 (2nd round pick) his salary isn’t at the level of Draper and Silvani. I’ll go band 3 and in this case being hawks that is a pick after our 2nd.

My point was that at this stage my belief whether it is bands 3-5 for Mihocek and Worpel is that it will fall after our second. Geelong don’t overpay so I’m going to stick with band 3 for Worpel. I just threw the band for 4 comment as an average landing point.

 

[Docker82]

If they were out of contract I’d have no choice

Out of contract vs in contract doesn't make that much difference.

What actually makes a difference is what the acquiring club would get away with if that player was walked into the draft.

We were ****ed with the Langdon trade because Melbourne had pick 2 in the PSD.

When we traded for Luke Jackson, West Coast would've taken him at their first pick the National Draft, let alone the PSD so trade value was barely changed at all by him being out of contract. West Coast would've got him for a single first rounder probably.

Outside of the values being miles apart the McVee situation is closer to Jackson than it is to Langdon. West Coast"s second rounder is pick 30-odd by draft night - they'd have zero hesitation.

 

[Purple Suit]

Out of contract vs in contract doesn't make that much difference.

What actually makes a difference is what the acquiring club would get away with if that player was walked into the draft.

We were ****ed with the Langdon trade because Melbourne had pick 2 in the PSD.

When we traded for Luke Jackson, West Coast would've taken him at their first pick the National Draft, let alone the PSD so trade value was barely changed at all by him being out of contract. West Coast would've got him for a single first rounder probably.

Outside of the values being miles apart the McVee situation is closer to Jackson than it is to Langdon. West Coast"s second rounder is pick 30-odd by draft night - they'd have zero hesitation.

Melbourne get zero in that outcome though and McVee won’t sign a contract with WC. It’s the prime case of 29 being on the money with what picks are available. 11 is not getting used and Melbourne have 23 so a 12 pick down grade out of the first round is far too steep.

Straight swap for 29 or a very late sweetner will be the deal. We’ll probably offer 38 to start.

 

[s_wd6]

Out of contract vs in contract doesn't make that much difference.

What actually makes a difference is what the acquiring club would get away with if that player was walked into the draft.

We were ****ed with the Langdon trade because Melbourne had pick 2 in the PSD.

When we traded for Luke Jackson, West Coast would've taken him at their first pick the National Draft, let alone the PSD so trade value was barely changed at all by him being out of contract. West Coast would've got him for a single first rounder probably.

Outside of the values being miles apart the McVee situation is closer to Jackson than it is to Langdon. West Coast"s second rounder is pick 30-odd by draft night - they'd have zero hesitation.

Much closer to Liam Henry than anyone else. Even down to the ladder positions of each team. Why didn’t we walk Henry to the PSD if all we were offered was a pick in the 30s? We should’ve just cracked the shits and said if we can’t have him Saints can’t either and risked getting nothing for him. Instead we used the pick on what looks to be a promising key forward.