List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[UcantCme]

It's an issue because there is a fair bit of sameness there. God forbid we actually make Smith retire but for me Hinge comes out of there to give us another option and probably make next year Lairds last in the backline. I think we'd be better off with Laird being a bench player who can come on and fill multiple roles as needed to be honest.

No sub role in 2026 - 5 man bench

Coaches will have more flexibility

 

[UcantCme]

Mitch Hinge, Max Michealanny, Chayce Jones, James Peatling, or even Wayne Milera could play that roles.

Milera the only player with the tools to play the Zorko role however seems to play within himself and doesn’t back in his leg speed or kicking

But is Oscar or Edwards the answer ?

Both players have been developing at HB in the sanfl and prefer to play a run and gun style ?

 

[Skippos]

Would do petracca but haven’t heard it being a realistic option at all and also struggle to see him leaving vic. Feels big time as if naming lots of clubs to create competition to secure greater value.

only way I see a midfielder of need come to crows is to look at clubs who are desperately bad and leaking players (Essendon, Carlton, both of which don’t have anyone I see coming to SA) or players currently sitting on the 2nd line or just outside the midfield due to competition for spots in an already bloated a grade line (GWS, GCS, lions)— I would give it all for someone like Sam Flanders who fills most needs and is ready to explode but won’t overtake Rowell or Anderson or Miller to be the number one guy.

Flanders sucks. He's grossly overrated in the eyes of fans because we've seen him go to half back and rack it up (which is as much about a team game plan as him) and accumulate high numbers in the midfield or half forward pushing up to fourth midfielder roles. But let's look at the periods when Flanders actually had a midfield role. The bulk of it in 2024 came when Miller was out injured - and the way he played is the way that usually attracts brownlow & coaches votes - and yet he didn't really.

2023 R15-24 - averaged 29 disposals (11 CP), 4.8 clearances, 0.3 goals, 0.1 brownlow votes, 1.2 coaches votes in that window.

2024 - R0-2, 16-21 - averaged 31 disposals (11 CP), 5.0 clearances, 0.5 goals, 0.5 brownlow votes, 2.2 coaches votes in that window.

Despite what he did in the back end of 2023 & start of 2024, he was still moved to half back. When Touk got injured, he was moved in again, but on his return, Flanders went back to half forward. They have preferred Davies, Humphrey and Will Graham to Flanders. Touk's a bloody good wing/HFF type, yet they still keep Touk in the mids. They can't be wrong?

Because he's not a goalkicker. He's not a defensive mid. He's not an inside ball winner. He's not an explosive burst guy. He's a link up low-hurt accumulator. He's the kind of guy that you can stick in there when you're not very good and he'll hold it together for you and give you some respect. But there are always going to be better defensive mids. Better extractors. Better offensive mids. He doesn't change your team and he's not a premiership component.

But on your other point - looking at clubs who are leaking players, the one I'd love is Jy Caldwell. He's who I wanted ahead of Chayce Jones in their draft, and while he hasn't become the explosive mid we thought, he's a bloody good player and one Essendon took far too long to realise was actually good.

He's big bodied. He's still got a bit of a burst for that size. He's a lovely kick for a midfielder. He's a really solid defensive guy & he's a really good ball winner. He could do either of the roles we're looking for and IMO is the perfect piece for us.

I doubt they let him go with all the chaos happening there now, but let a man dream.

 

[Cromulant]

AFL.com reporting 2 year extension for Hugh Bond

 

[George CantStandYa]

Schoenberg hasn’t been cut yet, you’d think he’s on the list depending on how we recruit

 

[Scorpus]

Flanders sucks. He's grossly overrated in the eyes of fans because we've seen him go to half back and rack it up (which is as much about a team game plan as him) and accumulate high numbers in the midfield or half forward pushing up to fourth midfielder roles. But let's look at the periods when Flanders actually had a midfield role. The bulk of it in 2024 came when Miller was out injured - and the way he played is the way that usually attracts brownlow & coaches votes - and yet he didn't really.

2023 R15-24 - averaged 29 disposals (11 CP), 4.8 clearances, 0.3 goals, 0.1 brownlow votes, 1.2 coaches votes in that window.

2024 - R0-2, 16-21 - averaged 31 disposals (11 CP), 5.0 clearances, 0.5 goals, 0.5 brownlow votes, 2.2 coaches votes in that window.

Despite what he did in the back end of 2023 & start of 2024, he was still moved to half back. When Touk got injured, he was moved in again, but on his return, Flanders went back to half forward. They have preferred Davies, Humphrey and Will Graham to Flanders. Touk's a bloody good wing/HFF type, yet they still keep Touk in the mids. They can't be wrong?

Because he's not a goalkicker. He's not a defensive mid. He's not an inside ball winner. He's not an explosive burst guy. He's a link up low-hurt accumulator. He's the kind of guy that you can stick in there when you're not very good and he'll hold it together for you and give you some respect. But there are always going to be better defensive mids. Better extractors. Better offensive mids. He doesn't change your team and he's not a premiership component.

But on your other point - looking at clubs who are leaking players, the one I'd love is Jy Caldwell. He's who I wanted ahead of Chayce Jones in their draft, and while he hasn't become the explosive mid we thought, he's a bloody good player and one Essendon took far too long to realise was actually good.

He's big bodied. He's still got a bit of a burst for that size. He's a lovely kick for a midfielder. He's a really solid defensive guy & he's a really good ball winner. He could do either of the roles we're looking for and IMO is the perfect piece for us.

I doubt they let him go with all the chaos happening there now, but let a man dream.

I agree. The fact Gold Coast coached by a premiership winner in Damien Hardwick has preferred Davies over Flanders in the midfield should be a red flag

 

[Crow-eater]

Schoenberg hasn’t been cut yet, you’d think he’s on the list depending on how we recruit

He's on the rookie list, and given the supposed poor depth of this draft, I can see us giving him another year.

 

[Crow till I die]

He's on the rookie list, and given the supposed poor depth of this draft, I can see us giving him another year.

Possible makeweight in a deal? ie 2 x 3rd rounders and Shoenberg for Petracca

 

[Crow-eater]

Never mind, he's just been delisted

 

[WeeBlake]

Flanders sucks. He's grossly overrated in the eyes of fans because we've seen him go to half back and rack it up (which is as much about a team game plan as him) and accumulate high numbers in the midfield or half forward pushing up to fourth midfielder roles. But let's look at the periods when Flanders actually had a midfield role. The bulk of it in 2024 came when Miller was out injured - and the way he played is the way that usually attracts brownlow & coaches votes - and yet he didn't really.

2023 R15-24 - averaged 29 disposals (11 CP), 4.8 clearances, 0.3 goals, 0.1 brownlow votes, 1.2 coaches votes in that window.

2024 - R0-2, 16-21 - averaged 31 disposals (11 CP), 5.0 clearances, 0.5 goals, 0.5 brownlow votes, 2.2 coaches votes in that window.

Despite what he did in the back end of 2023 & start of 2024, he was still moved to half back. When Touk got injured, he was moved in again, but on his return, Flanders went back to half forward. They have preferred Davies, Humphrey and Will Graham to Flanders. Touk's a bloody good wing/HFF type, yet they still keep Touk in the mids. They can't be wrong?

Because he's not a goalkicker. He's not a defensive mid. He's not an inside ball winner. He's not an explosive burst guy. He's a link up low-hurt accumulator. He's the kind of guy that you can stick in there when you're not very good and he'll hold it together for you and give you some respect. But there are always going to be better defensive mids. Better extractors. Better offensive mids. He doesn't change your team and he's not a premiership component.

But on your other point - looking at clubs who are leaking players, the one I'd love is Jy Caldwell. He's who I wanted ahead of Chayce Jones in their draft, and while he hasn't become the explosive mid we thought, he's a bloody good player and one Essendon took far too long to realise was actually good.

He's big bodied. He's still got a bit of a burst for that size. He's a lovely kick for a midfielder. He's a really solid defensive guy & he's a really good ball winner. He could do either of the roles we're looking for and IMO is the perfect piece for us.

I doubt they let him go with all the chaos happening there now, but let a man dream.

Thanks for the perspective, good to see you back

 

[ams4crows]

Can delisted free agents be signed but to the rookie list pre national and rookie draft?? Or only to the main list?

 

[pjcrows]

So we played two delistees - possibly three if Smith goes - in key games late in the year?

 

[1990crow]

So we played two delistees - possibly three if Smith goes - in key games late in the year?

It's our speciality. Coaches and list management not on the same page.

 

[anyfourcrowseyed]

It's our speciality. Coaches and list management not on the same page.

Yep, list management need to save Crom from themselves and delist Smithers now

Tex I think needs to go around one more but manage him way more please ffs lol

 

[George CantStandYa]

Hopefully we do have some recruits lined up

 

[Danger in Texas]

Hopefully we do have some recruits lined up

I’d be happy if our haul was Trac and Ah Chee

If no Trac, then yeah you’d hope for something else in his place

 

[George CantStandYa]

I’d be happy if our haul was Trac and Ah Chee

If no Trac, then yeah you’d hope for something else in his place

Going to leave depth pretty skinny if we don’t bring players, but hopefully means Dowling, Edwards, Draper are locks to get significant games. We wouldn’t a run of injuries though

 

[crows dude]

Out - Crouch Schoenberg Gallagher Strachan Murphy

In - Cotton

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Out - Crouch Schoenberg Gallagher Strachan Murphy

In - Cotton

Out - Crouch Schoenberg Gallagher Strachan Murphy Tex Smith

That's realistically all I can see happening in one off season...

Would have bee nice to be more ruthless but... You know... AFC an' all....

 

[Trigger13]

Why haven’t they cut Smith yet?

 

[Crow-eater]

Why haven’t they cut Smith yet?

I assume they will give him the dignity of announcing his retirement. Probably tomorrow if we have no other delistings to announce.

 

[jackster83]

It takes far too long to move on list cloggers.

Now who gets the Ben Davis

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Ben Davis

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.5

1star

HB

2.5

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

5.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.0

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.5

4star

MG

169.0

3star

rookie list (one foot out of the door) treatment?

Jones, Cook and Welsh are all worthy candidates.

 

[ams4crows]

It takes far too long to move on list cloggers.

Now who gets the Ben Davis rookie list (one foot out of the door) treatment?

Jones, Cook and Welsh are all worthy candidates.

It has to be Welsh, shown the least and at least the other two have AFL qualities of some kind

 

[Cromulant]

So we played two delistees - possibly three if Smith goes - in key games late in the year?

Playing Harry as the sub for a game probably isnt a big deal

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

So we played two delistees - possibly three if Smith goes - in key games late in the year?

we've done stuff like that for years