Autopsy 2025 Rd 4 Blues to petition AFL to halve the length of games

[Blue Pulse]

If i was Hewett id just walk off and not say a word

We haven't "unblooded" him yet, has been brilliant for us since coming across. His 3rd qtr last week was massive. Still can't believe he was dropped last year.

 

[Soapy V]

As for SELECTION INTEGRITY - Moir comes and and disappears - blowing hard on teh bench after half a quarter...Lord is a kid too developing - thrown into teh team aas a starting mid now- but gets caught and panics or Ollie gets to a million contests and loses most of them and cant stick a tackle - who replaces them?

This highlights it for me. Many people have been pushing for him to play and I can understand why as if he gets the football he is amazing.

Issue is he can't run out a quarter and his form in 2s is poor. Pre season he struggled. He has little moments of brillance but nothing else. It's a concern

Last night he came on early and kept blowing up. He couldn't keep up and opponents kept running off him and he was playing deep forward

Facts are facts. He can't play AFL football at the moment

As a Carlton person said last night we have another Menzel here. I hope he is wrong

 

[jj1978]

Voss and list manager should be sacked for getting rid of both Kennedy and Owies.

 

[carlton_99]

AFL R4 | Jacob Weitering post-match

Jacob Weitering speaks to Channel 7 after the loss to Collingwood.

www.carltonfc.com.au

This bloke has a clue and plays like it - listen to what he has had to say.



Soap- Collingwood midfield slaughtered us in Q3 and Q4 so referencing contest wins in the context of last night is way off the mark.

and

Hard to kick goals when you have no ball / territory or forward line...



How does a team go from hitting targets running teh correct overlap angles and scoring despite not hhaving a fiunctioning forward line - to losing clearances fumbling bumbling and missing tackles in the same game of football - week in wek out- thta is TOTALLY on teh players - weak as pizz too many are ...


Docherty/McGovern/Haynes are all experienced developed players and two of them have been AA - they play like C grade idjots = who replaces them? COwan cam off with a hammy - Wiliiams has to go back and you end up with a forward line of Charlie a clueless Motlop and Kemp reversing last weeks form back into nuffery- kudoes to Smith who showed some ability.

As for SELECTION INTEGRITY - Moir comes and and disappears - blowing hard on teh bench after half a quarter...Lord is a kid too developing - thrown into teh team aas a starting mid now- but gets caught and panics or Ollie gets to a million contests and loses most of them and cant stick a tackle - who replaces them?

List is weak and unbalanced and TDK can go to St Kilda for his 2million bucks - good luck to him and them.

The issues in the midfield have to do with an over-emphasis on contested ball. I've been pointing this out for a year and it still hasn't been rectified.

All of the Carlton midfielders get sucked into the contest at stoppage and all try to hunt the ball. If we lose the ball we are outnumbered on the outside and our opponents get an easy exit from stoppage. Yesterday, Sidebottom was alone at the back of stoppage 197 times. This has happened like I said since 2024 and it's one of the big reasons why we went from 1st at defending stoppage in 23' to 16th in 24'.

If we win the ball all of our players are within 3m of each other. We have no players that have spread from the contest for a handball receive. So we are tackled or forced to dispose of the ball under immense pressure. If we had the Walsh/Cerra types spreading from the contest and let Cripps/Hewett be more inside-focused we would have players to give it to on the outside who have more of a chance of clean disposal i50.

Cerra and Walsh especially need to be used more as outside midfielders rather than how the club is currently using them which is almost as pure inside midfielders like Cripps/Hewett/Kennedy-types.

 

[jj1978]

This highlights it for me. Many people have been pushing for him to play and I can understand why as if he gets the football he is amazing.

Issue is he can't run out a quarter and his form in 2s is poor. Pre season he struggled. He has little moments of brillance but nothing else. It's a concern

Last night he came on early and kept blowing up. He couldn't keep up and opponents kept running off him and he was playing deep forward

Facts are facts. He can't play AFL football at the moment

As a Carlton person said last night we have another Menzel here. I hope he is wrong

If he hasn’t got a reasonable fitness base now he never will. Trade.

 

[Accidental genius]

Yep, exactly. Players skills are worse when the system is a failure and every option is under pressure and a 50/50. They are disposing of the ball either dump kicking/ under pressure handballs or in the hope that their teammate will win the 50/50- therefore they don't dispose of the ball with absolute surety in their execution.

Yeap…and it’s too taxing …

Contest contest contest

Voss uttered it again in his presser

He just doesn’t get it.

 

[JustaBattler]

This highlights it for me. Many people have been pushing for him to play and I can understand why as if he gets the football he is amazing.

Issue is he can't run out a quarter and his form in 2s is poor. Pre season he struggled. He has little moments of brillance but nothing else. It's a concern

Last night he came on early and kept blowing up. He couldn't keep up and opponents kept running off him and he was playing deep forward

Facts are facts. He can't play AFL football at the moment

As a Carlton person said last night we have another Menzel here. I hope he is wrong

The list has to be balancd enough to give young kids enough developemnt time in teh right environment in a competitive VFL team to grow into AFL quality- the best teams do this in full knowledge that moist wont make it anyway.

 

[Stamos]

If you are on an AFL list you should already know the fundament parts of being a footballer

That’s like saying if you’re an elite military sniper you should already know how to shoot.

They’re good because they spend all their time training.

 

[carlton_99]

Removing Kennedy from the midfield was supposed to balance it out. We had too many ball hunters and not enough who spread from the contest. This is an area types like Walsh, Cerra, E.Hollands and Smith excel in but obviously 2 have been unavailable and the other 2 are pretty much taking over that Kennedy role playing as heavy inside midfielders. If this is by design we might as well have kept Kennedy

Owies is a very limited footballer. Poor applier of defensive pressure, poor crumbing ability, poor positional awareness and was only a 1 goal/game player against non-bottom 4 sides. Would not improve this team at all.

People on here give Motlop so much crap as a 21 year old who is currently offering 5x more in those areas than Owies ever did. Had 15 score involvements, 11 tackles and 2.4 against Hawks/Dogs and people were calling for him to be omitted.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

You can put it on the players to some extent...if you just look at ball handling and use as the root cause, blaming it on the players is the easy option.

But when players are confused or have no real clue what the gameplan is, then fumbling and poor execution often follows.

It's much deeper than just a skill issue.

Exactly.

So many posts about only a handful of players in our squad that can kick...

It would be rather impressive to build a list with 40+ players with the core of them in their prime and field a team with one or two players that have a reliable kick... and still go on to a prelim and then top 2 about 60% through a season. The odds of being able to do that are astronomically low.

The ball handling looks terrible because they have no system other than try and barrage the ball forward. Seen it long enough now, teams outnumber us at contests, put pressure on us every possession... when we're fresh, we can stand up to it, but eventually it's too taxing and we break down. Then the skill execution gets worse and worse as the game goes on.

People complaining about Doc, Gov, Haynes etc. well who decides to allow them to get away with not performing to standard? You keep selecting them, the younger players will pick up those habits and before too long, it's ingrained in the way they go about it too. Or is that acceptable standard? Either way, we're screwed.

We need leaders on and off the field that will enforce professional standards.

 

[ctwenty1]

AFL R4 | Jacob Weitering post-match

Jacob Weitering speaks to Channel 7 after the loss to Collingwood.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Can’t see how he won’t be the next captain

Articulate and doesn’t resort to cliche, well too many at least.

 

[Matty411]

You know when you can't even demonstrate your one wood (contest), its bad. As if the lack of ability to handle any pressure, going to water in second halves and auskick level fundamentals wasn't enough of a sign.

We as a club are going backwards faster than you can say rebuild.

 

[JustaBattler]

Can’t see how he won’t be the next captain

Articulate and doesn’t resort to cliche, well too many at least.

Cripps is NOT an on field Captain who can coach his team mates, he hasn't got the footy IQ to do it- and he is more the type that wants to do everything - he is too busy being Cripps. Weitering has always been a better Captain material - and he looks after the backline- whilst carrying flakey spuds like McGovern week in week out.

Weitering also has far less interest in being a 'good bloke' than Cripps.

Ruthlessness STARTS with the playing group and the standards that they expect of their team mates and make sure that they are delivered - eg carrying Docherty type performance because <insert Bambi) reasons is not something winning Clubs do.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Hewett pumped Daicos for 3 quarters

Collingwood pumped our midfield for 4

 

[DollarsandSense]

We need to surround Voss with some tactical support. STAT.
We also need to pick up the phone to either Michael Lloyd or Emma Murray, sports psychologists, probably the best in the business ASAP. This is a disgrace.
Can Vossy also stay in the coaches box during half time.

 

[myblueroan]

Cripps is NOT an on field Captain who can coach his team mates, he hasn't got the footy IQ to do it- and he is more the type that wants to do everything - he is too busy being Cripps. Weitering has always been a better Captain material - and he looks after the backline- whilst carrying flakey spuds like McGovern week in week out.

Weitering also has far less interest in being a 'good bloke' than Cripps.

Ruthlessness STARTS with the playing group and the standards that they expect of their team mates and make sure that they are delivered - eg carrying Docherty type performance because <insert Bambi) reasons is not something winning Clubs do.

Now it's Crippa is it?

Fmd.
Look, we've argued all this before.
So no point.

 

[Earls Smother]

I have a theory on the 2nd half fade-outs. It’s well past their bedtimes.

Bring on Saturday afternoon following a nice brunch. They’ll be right.

You jest, but I think there is some relevance here.

We train all preseason at mid-morning times, in what was a pretty warm, dry Melbourne summer. We know we are not a highly skilled team across the park - we struggle to string together meaningful passages of play compared to the best.

We know we are playing 4 night games to begin the year. Round 1 the dew set in as the game went on. Round 2 it pissed down prior to the game and then a couple of showers. Last night was significantly rain affected. Round 3 under the roof had high humidity as a factor but conditions were better - we lost but were in front with 4 minutes to go.

Whilst damp conditions should suit a contested team, we are bereft of skill due to the poor ball handling of too many. We simply had no way out of our backline in the third quarter once Pies tightened their defensive structures.

 

[jj1978]

Removing Kennedy from the midfield was supposed to balance it out. We had too many ball hunters and not enough who spread from the contest. This is an area types like Walsh, Cerra, E.Hollands and Smith excel in but obviously 2 have been unavailable and the other 2 are pretty much taking over that Kennedy role playing as heavy inside midfielders. If this is by design we might as well have kept Kennedy

Owies is a very limited footballer. Poor applier of defensive pressure, poor crumbing ability, poor positional awareness and was only a 1 goal/game player against non-bottom 4 sides. Would not improve this team at all.

People on here give Motlop so much crap as a 21 year old who is currently offering 5x more in those areas than Owies ever did. Had 15 score involvements, 11 tackles and 2.4 against Hawks/Dogs and people were calling for him to be omitted.

We have poor midfield depth and lack of consistency. Kennedy provides much needed cover for the Cripps and Hewetts, can also cover up forward if needed. Lord will get games but if we thought him and Jagger as kids would've lasted a season without needing some respite then we're daft.

Owies would be in before Moir/Evans and provides more in that department. Just trading one of McGov/Williams and even paying a portion of their salaries we could of covered both Kennedy and Owies salaries and probably have some left over.

 

[Jatz]

You know how after a loss you can sleep it off, you wake up the next morning and accept it for what it is. You know, things aren't that bad.

That is not at all how I feel this morning. I feel like I've woken up hungover. Like someone has clubbed me over the head. Somehow this all feels worse than last night, as the reality of our situation settles in.

 

[lily of laguna]

Knew the game was over as soon as Doc pulled out of that contest. You just can’t win when that’s the example. Heartbreaking.

He had 27 touches playing off the wing @ 63% efficiency in tough conditions, gained 670+ meters (highest on the ground) and was the third highest ranked player on the ground overall, so yeah, he had a good game.

You can stat me all you want but Doc was woeful.
He has zero composure and try as he does he has always been a “put a boot into it” player.
I hope that he has been kept in the team to inspire his teammates, because he is an inspiration, but that inspiration has expired.
Maybe now that the Peter Mac cup has come and gone he can go back to the 2’s and inspire the young players and be a mentor without the pressure of premiership points.
Good on him but his performance is not at the level.

 

[Blue Pulse]

Listening to Jon Ralph after the game was pretty damning.
Collingwood insiders apparently told him they knew all they had to do was stack the defensive corridor and we'd just kick it into their hands. But even they were a bit shocked about how easy we made it for them in the 3rd quarter.

Enlightening, this has been happening for the last 2 years, A coach with any nouse has worked this out. Same, same but different. If Charlie and Harry are in form, our plan works, if they are struggling, we play the same way and get carved up. We have done nothing to alter our forward entries in 3 years, just go back through this thread the last 3 years, it's all there.

Doesn't take much to change it, someone needs to bite the bullet and tweak the game plan.

 

[North Side]

You know how after a loss you can sleep it off, you wake up the next morning and accept it for what it is. You know, things aren't that bad.

That is not at all how I feel this morning. I feel like I've woken up hungover. Like someone has clubbed me over the head. Somehow this all feels worse than last night, as the reality of our situation settles in.

Yep same boat here, going to need to focus on other hobbies for a while and see if I want to come back to footy.

 

[btdg]

I thought he tried but he was awful. I am a massive fan of Doc but he is really struggling this season. Shadow of the player he was

Let's try not to be so black and white about thing. I get that he has become whipping boy #1 but he wasn't 'awful'.

He played his role as a wing and competed with Daicos/Side bottom well. He got to his spots and got the ball as a receiver.

I thought Collingwood did a great job all game of attacking our receivers on the outside and pressuring them. Doch was bottled up for space a bit and doesn't have the physical capability to deal with it.

But sorry, if you had said ore game he would outplay Daicos and have 27 touches and 600+ meters gained I would have taken that in an instant.

 

[jj1978]

Kennedy is playing the SAME level of football he was playing week in week out at Carlton - which is why cutting him was another example of stooopid list management FACT

Also the metal freshness he has at being at a new place, a new coach, a different voice and actually feeling wanted helps. His comments last week about training standards was a subtle swipe at how Dogs may do things differently (particularly in the skills and application department), also maybe why JUH is where he's at for not meeting those standards. Dog's for all the players they've let go in the last few years (very high calibre) they havn't fallen off a cliff. Voss could take a cue out of Bevo's books in that regards.

Back to mental freshness, only way we can salvage this is for the coaches to freshen things up fast. Sometimes this is done with new blood in the team or X-factor but we don't really have any options here other than Campo's as a chance. Moir not deserving of another game atm. And our X-factor is non-existant with the form we're in.

 

[lily of laguna]

I am not usually someone who wants to sack the coach, and the players have been woeful skill wise, but 2 things that are as clear as day…..

We have terrible structures, game plan and set ups and the players have no confidence under the slightest pressure.

Both those items fall directly on the coach and the evidence is overwhelming.

He has to be shuffled out the door ASAP.