Autopsy 2026 Rd 6 Collapse. Copy. Paste.

[The Coach]

I just want to see Elijah enjoying himself playing for Carlton ASAP, assuming that is something that he wants to do. He has a talent that I hope he can enjoy putting into practice. When I see the footage from Thursday, what I see most of all is a really likeable young man.

We have to protect him from the media, they have become vultures who live for disasters.
Ever since Black Saturday, I have noticed how they thrive on the sniff of a disaster, exaggerate things and prolong coverage of something while they think there is still a column inch to be had

 

[Gabagool]

For mine, it's gone beyond footy now and I just hope Elijah is OK. Really feel for him in this situation, can't even begin to imagine how he's felling, let alone the fact that it's all played out in the public eye and that everyone has an opinion or thought about what they think happened.

 

[JustOneTime]

Everyone getting too defensive on posts saying you cant say this, you cant say that. Hogwash. Most posters agree with all of the following... starting with Hollands wellfare first because you have to appease the devout on here.

If wear the Carlton player hat for a minute...

• Then 99% of us all honestly wish him well.

If we wear the 'want to win the game' hat...

• Then we have just witnessed another sh.t sandwich for us all to swallow playing a man down and losing by a kick

If we wear the 'club is poor on managing EH hat'...

• Then despite whether EH was faking he was ok to play making it hard to the MC/on field leaders, then the club just isnt good/elite on observation skills...a skill that is pretty important in the current game and explains a lot they were that unaware.

If we wear the 'list mgmt and re-signing EH hat'...

• Then its a simple case of if you get it wrong like with EH then you are accountable for the risk you took. The List Mgmt team simply have to cop the negativity. We do need to take into account the crap we send their way by looking at other things they have done. McGovern has been a win so far (but lets wait too). The 5 year season outlook looks pretty average to me.

 

[Chief]

"Public interest" isn't the same as "the public is interested".

 

[GoBlues!]

I'm thinking it's a good safe place for him atm Thrawn. Plenty of care. Hopefully not watching the vultures on afl tv shows.

I think it’s great that Elijah is getting help and has people who can support him.

Listening to Wayne Schwass talk about his struggles with depression and mental illness in the 90s, you have to feel for those people who battle with depression alone and not get the help they need.

 

[SurreyBlue]

What has got me all fired up, is the reporting the AFL have reached out to Collingwood players and that filthy club for their thoughts. Seriously, flowering irresponsible if true and typical AFL admin. I was under the impression they were waiting for Carlton's report and more importantly were getting all the updates required for now.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Redirect your anger at your captain Cripps, your coaches and medical staff. None of this is Maynard or Collingwood's fault.

No one asked for your opinion. Go back to your board.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I think it’s great that Elijah is getting help and has people who can support him.

Listening to Wayne Schwass talk about his struggles with depression and mental illness in the 90s, you have to feel for those people who battle with depression alone and not get the help they need.

I've had a little to do with Swatter and I can tell you, one of the nicest blokes you can ever meet.
You just wouldn't imagine someone like him going through what he went through.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

I was one of the ones who wanted to see him given another chance if he earned it and regardless of whether that works out or not, that was the right call. Premierships are not won on being conservative. You have to take risks.

Plenty of teams have won flags with players like this who have failed and it has not affected their chances or the player has succeeded and the team has gone on with it.

Dusty Martin had a public outburst. He then went on to win multiple premierships. It can go either way.

There are a lot of people blaming the club for this. They need to pull their heads in. These are people who have not witnessed and dealt with people with addiction and mental health issues and don't understand it's not straightforward, not an exact science and not an easy fix. Sometimes it's not fixable at all.

When the club says they knew he was struggling, that does not mean they knew he was substance affected. Players struggling for whatever reason isn't uncommon in football.

We have given him a go knowing that failure was likely. The alternative is taking a late or rookie pick or mid season pick on a low talent player and they most likely fail because of lack of ability. Elijah Hollands, despite his issues, was a higher percentage option than the alternative which was probably Will White who is a similar level to Fogarty and Young.

Until I hear that the club knowing fielded a player who was substance affected. I am well and truly on the side of the club on this one in regard to listing him and playing him the other night.

100% agreed.

It's not even in question that the club giving him another chance was the right thing to do at the time. Even the ultra-critical Kane Cornes said Carlton had handled the situation perfectly.

EH had made changes and proven himself right through preseason. OK it hasn't worked out but nobody had a crystal ball. He's been given every chance now but clearly AFL just isn't for him. The down side was losing Wil White but he didn't even make it to a VFL list I'm pretty sure.

 

[Loose at HB]

What has got me all fired up, is the reporting the AFL have reached out to Collingwood players and that filthy club for their thoughts. Seriously, flowering irresponsible if true and typical AFL admin. I was under the impression they were waiting for Carlton's report and more importantly were getting all the updates required for now.

The Collingwood players commenting shit like "oh he looked not right but it's not our responsibility" are only slightly less of failures than our own staff.

He's a bloody human being, someone just needed to do SOMETHING. If I was out there and I saw he wasn't right it wouldn't matter what ****ing jumper I was wearing

 

[agro]

It’s been reported that our Club Psychologist wasn’t even at the game on Thursday- I know for a fact that a recent premiership team has the Club Psychologist sit on the bench at every game.

 

[Gointocarlton]

1. We dont know the facts around how our club handled it as they have not been released any of them nor has anyone other than Wright (an Voss in e presser) commented. The optics dont look good but none of us know what transpired, optics and actuals can be two totally different things.
2. The Coll muppet felt the need to take a dig and comment and looked like a DH in IMO. He could have been respectful and said nothing or just said "Im sure Carlton are looking into what went on" and left it at that.

All of this is teaching many of us how little we know and how ill equipped we are in handling what transpired. Its more than a game.

Just to add a different perspective

Blaming Carlton is the easy option for Hollands fallout

Mental health is a complex subject matter that can’t be reduced to a sound bite as much as many people think it can be.

thenightly.com.au

 

[ESKIE]

I love the media harry hindsight experts
Who i might add have made this situation worse for Elijah.
As for Maynard keep your ugly trap shut, you're no angel buddy go check your own history

I really feel sorry for Elijah, and his family very sad

 

[Sector 7G]

100% agreed.

It's not even in question that the club giving him another chance was the right thing to do at the time. Even the ultra-critical Kane Cornes said Carlton had handled the situation perfectly.

EH had made changes and proven himself right through preseason. OK it hasn't worked out but nobody had a crystal ball. He's been given every chance now but clearly AFL just isn't for him. The down side was losing Wil White but he didn't even make it to a VFL list I'm pretty sure.

Preety sure WW is playing at Geelong VFL

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

It’s been reported that our Club Psychologist wasn’t even at the game on Thursday- I know for a fact that a recent premiership team has the Club Psychologist sit on the bench at every game.

If any club needed a consistent psychologist presence, it is Carlton. I've been wondering why we can't make progress on the collective team collapses, and how good the club psychologist is or isn't.

 

[josephone]

If any club needed a consistent psychologist presence, it is Carlton. I've been wondering why we can't make progress on the collective team collapses, and how good the club psychologist is or isn't.

Given our form lately I'd consider picking a psychologist in the match-day 23. Play him on ball in the fourth quarter purely for motivational/theraputic reasons.

 

[gbatman]

The difference is Carlton have not been a successful club in any regard (leadership/development) so maybe a club like Geelong could take on the risk. But Carlton? Seriously.

The better or worse player argument is Carlton's issue. You take the committed player as it rubs off on others the right way. Not the flake who you can never rely on.

Give you an example of how things rub off on others. McGovern, Young and Kemp were all not right for defence and got the touch of fumbles (don't have that stubborn mental profile required). It rubbed off on each other then spread to others who don't normally fumble. Saad. He didn't fumble ever until finally it entered his head after seeing repeated fumbles in front of him from young and kemp.

Buckley made the comment about a talented player like Charlie C (who never chases) vs a hard working two way runner which the modern game requires. Said he'd prefer the two way player when taking everything into account. Opposition overlaps quite often started with charlie C's opponent.

Building a list with the right traits is everything. It's why Young and E Hollands should def not be on our list (for different reasons).

The club across the board are simply missing/failing on finer details that a club like Geelong/Hawks don't miss.

I agree with a lot of that. The fumbling I am seeing as well. I think that comes from players just not getting enough ball handling in.

When you look at a lot of those names who are players who aren't handling the ball well. They are players who have struggled with injury and are a little older and most likely aren't getting in the mid week training hours under their belts and just not touching the footy enough. It could also be out training emphasising other things and ball handling taking a step back.

I think there needs to be a heavier emphasis on skills however if some players are managing their bodies it's hard.

 

[bourbons]

If any club needed a consistent psychologist presence, it is Carlton.

Haha this, should have a team of them at every game. Pretty mind blowing if we don't have even have 1 attending considering our clear mental issues

 

[RFCGloryJC]

Pardon to intrude, but it must be said.
The stench of AFL umpiring and "match reviews".
Perryman smashed McKay with a clenched fist to the head.
McKay was concussed in mid-air, as the video shows.
No report, not even a free kick, "play on'.
Nothing to see here...
It's Collingwood.

 

[carlton_99]

Pardon to intrude, but it must be said.
The stench of AFL umpiring and "match reviews".
Perryman smashed McKay with a clenched fist to the head.
McKay was concussed in mid-air, as the video shows.
No report, not even a free kick, "play on'.
Nothing to see here...
It's Collingwood.

The umpiring was poor in that game as it is in too many games nowadays but that wasn't a free kick. Perryman made a legal spoil and then all in one motion incidentally makes contact with the face of McKay. The Haynes hold, Daicos high vs Ainsworth/Hollands no highs, no arm chops for Dean/Kemp, Walsh getting zero prior ever etc however were all examples of bad umpiring. And yes not unexpected against the Pies.

 

[Blue Pulse]

Pardon to intrude, but it must be said.
The stench of AFL umpiring and "match reviews".
Perryman smashed McKay with a clenched fist to the head.
McKay was concussed in mid-air, as the video shows.
No report, not even a free kick, "play on'.
Nothing to see here...
It's Collingwood.

It was at least worth the "front on contact" or "high contact" but unfortunately a lot of players go to ground holding their heads these days so I suppose the umpires are trying to avoid encouraging it? Even though, just last week Tex got a 50m penalty and goal for going to ground after a mark clutching his head even though the replay showed their was no contact to the head. A fine for staging would prevent this sort of crap.

With regards to a report, it is Michael Christian so there is definitely nothing to see when it comes to Collingwood. Personally, I see it as accidental contact, but guys have been sighted and charged for it before.

 

[beowulf]

Pardon to intrude, but it must be said.
The stench of AFL umpiring and "match reviews".
Perryman smashed McKay with a clenched fist to the head.
McKay was concussed in mid-air, as the video shows.
No report, not even a free kick, "play on'.
Nothing to see here...
It's Collingwood.

And there is no mention of this at all in the media. Nothing, No mention from the AFL. It just isn't reasonable.

 

[Blue Pulse]

The umpiring was poor in that game as it is in too many games nowadays but that wasn't a free kick. Perryman made a legal spoil and then all in one motion incidentally makes contact with the face of McKay. The Haynes hold, Daicos high vs Ainsworth/Hollands no highs, no arm chops for Dean/Kemp, Walsh getting zero prior ever etc however were all examples of bad umpiring. And yes not unexpected against the Pies.

It had to be either high contact or front on contact, you can't hit someone in the face and call "play on"

Mackay now has concussion and has to sit out a week for an action which is not allowed in the game even though it was accidental.

Players are suspended for "legal" tackles where the tackled player is injured or concussed during a tackle. The consistency of the umpiring and the MRO is non existent.

 

[SurreyBlue]

The umpiring was poor in that game as it is in too many games nowadays but that wasn't a free kick. Perryman made a legal spoil and then all in one motion incidentally makes contact with the face of McKay. The Haynes hold, Daicos high vs Ainsworth/Hollands no highs, no arm chops for Dean/Kemp, Walsh getting zero prior ever etc however were all examples of bad umpiring. And yes not unexpected against the Pies.

I don’t understand this logic. The Perryman to McKay hit in the head was and is a free kick everyday/everyweek.
Are you an umpire? As that’s the only explanation.

 

[carlton_99]

It had to be either high contact or front on contact, you can't hit someone in the face and call "play on"

Mackay now has concussion and has to sit out a week for an action which is not allowed in the game even though it was accidental.

Players are suspended for "legal" tackles where the tackled player is injured or concussed during a tackle. The consistency of the umpiring and the MRO is non existent.

Neither applies if you get the ball legally which he did. And agree the outcome is horrible but you can't legislate incidental contact out of a contact sport. And yes I agree they have tried with the tackles that lead to concussion but there are now specific rules about that. I think it's wrong to punish outcome it should always be the act.