Expansion 20th AFL team location

[Truetiger]

Another Victorian club get it done thanks AFL.

 

[Purple Suit]

The only push for WA3 is eastern staters wanting 20 teams

Why do you say that? If I was WC or Freo I'd be hoping we get a third club. It means 1 less plane ride a year due to a locked in 2nd Derby which will fill the stadium regardless of your position on the ladder at the time.

The third club will always be the 3rd smallest club due to the late start but it should get profitable the quickest out of any other expansion club. I recon it's making money within 10-15 years and they should be adding extra seats to Optus by that time.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

WA already has a club called Perth in the WAFL
Not sure they are going to give up their name for a new club.
West Perth it should be trading as the Joondalup Falcons.
Where do I sign on?

 

[threesixpio]

I propose a team based in the Multifunction Polis

 

[citizen-erased]

WA already has a club called Perth in the WAFL
Not sure they are going to give up their name for a new club.
West Perth it should be trading as the Joondalup Falcons.
Where do I sign on?

I know little of the wafl, but who'd make most sense to use as a platform?

Always thought the biggest mistake the afl did with gcs was not use southport sharks
Awesome name
History
Existing fanbase

Or bring a new "perth" in but align the wafl side with them as vfl sides did with vic clubs?

Love the idea of a permanent friday night WA fixture to follow the first game on the east coast. Occasional missed week for an SA friday night game here and there but opens up options for thursday night double header or saturday night game to eat into midnight here

Plus 2 games every weekend in SA and WA at those awesome stadiums

 

[aj1992]

Say that to the dozens of north Melbourne fans to their faces in the centre of Arden street. LoL

You won't get out of Arden Street alive lol

Ftfy

 

[Big Animal]

The Auckland Bros (and Shebros for AFLW)

 

[CCurnow3picks]

The Auckland Bros (and Shebros for AFLW)

Inside mids would be hard to get past…

 

[Big Animal]

Inside mids would be hard to get past…

HBF

 

[Pie eyed]

Canberra is a no brainer,
Historically an AFL town, populated with many expat Vics, Sandgropers and shallow gravers.
Manuka Oval is already a top line oval.
Minimal money would need to be spent to upgrade the facilities.
Close to Sydney and Melbourne (realtively) with a decent population.
Any other option would be a case of nursing/funding a side for many decades with little guarantee of success.
Even a Canberra side would have its risks, but not so much as Sydney did, or Brisbane.
A Canberra side could probably get 20,000 members the first season.

 

[Canberra Pear]

Canberra, ACT will need to be the next AFL team to even out to 20 teams based on population. It definitely has a larger population in the capital city. Will the AFL expect a brand new shinny stadium there too?

NT cannot host an fulltime AFL team with such a low population and population growth.


Tasmania population 541,071 (Sep 2020) / Hobart Population 206,097 (2016) / Launceston Population 71,980 (2022)

ACT population 431,215 (Sep 2020) / Canberra Population 395,790 (2016)

NT population 246,500 (Sep 2020) / Darwin Population 132,045 (2016)

No matter where it goes, I don't think any Team 20 will have to jump through as many hoops as Tasmania.

The AFL didn't want to expand yet. It set impossible conditions, put any failure on the government, and Tassie still came through. On the plus side, it's set the new Tasmania team up for success.

Manuka Oval is already quite centrally placed. It's probably not possible to get a better place for an AFL stadium, so it'll only be upgrades, which will be cheaper. Bellerive is, from my understanding, quite a pain to get to, so a new stadium was more necessary.

Also worth noting Canberra population stats often exclude our NSW suburbs, so the metro population of Canberra is about another Darwin's worth.

 

[glengowan]

There is no way the Victorians will give up their balance of power. 20th team - Ballarat.

 

[threesixpio]

Canberra is a no brainer,
Historically an AFL town, populated with many expat Vics, Sandgropers and shallow gravers.
Manuka Oval is already a top line oval.
Minimal money would need to be spent to upgrade the facilities.
Close to Sydney and Melbourne (realtively) with a decent population.
Any other option would be a case of nursing/funding a side for many decades with little guarantee of success.
Even a Canberra side would have its risks, but not so much as Sydney did, or Brisbane.
A Canberra side could probably get 20,000 members the first season.

I reckon a whole lot of expats would stick with their team though


That said, I myself came from a family of Eels supporters who changed to Raiders before our move to Melbourne and years of Hawthorn glory

 

[Mesc]

University is still a registered team isnt it ?

 

[Daka]

More people live in Wyndham than the whole of the Territory. Impossible for Darwin or territory to sustain a team.

Bit like the Gold Coast huh?

 

[Canberra Pear]

I reckon a whole lot of expats would stick with their team though


That said, I myself came from a family of Eels supporters who changed to Raiders before our move to Melbourne and years of Hawthorn glory

They'd be the second team for a many.

But we've got a millennial bulge (compared to the rest of Australia) with an expected forthcoming baby boom, so we'd have a lot of the next generation being able to grow up with a team.

Canberra's also got a decent neutral yet-to-be converted population, so if we can get them into AFL, a new Canberra team would be a natural choice.

 

[Pie eyed]

I reckon a whole lot of expats would stick with their team though


That said, I myself came from a family of Eels supporters who changed to Raiders before our move to Melbourne and years of Hawthorn glory

Absolutely agree.
But they will attend games and they will support the "local" side when their side is not on the paddock.
A am a life long Pies man but was a Swan member for 10 years when they first moved to Sydney (living in Canberra) attending many games including Collingwood/Sydney games in Sydney in my Pies jumper and also when they played games in Canberra against any opposition.
My daughters and I were also members of GWS until a few years ago as they play in Canberra and I feel you should support the side playing locally.

I am not the only one I know who has this outlook in Canberra.

 

[Lingsface]

What about a northern team
Broome Darwin Cairns?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I know little of the wafl, but who'd make most sense to use as a platform?

Always thought the biggest mistake the afl did with gcs was not use southport sharks
Awesome name
History
Existing fanbase

Or bring a new "perth" in but align the wafl side with them as vfl sides did with vic clubs?

Love the idea of a permanent friday night WA fixture to follow the first game on the east coast. Occasional missed week for an SA friday night game here and there but opens up options for thursday night double header or saturday night game to eat into midnight here

Plus 2 games every weekend in SA and WA at those awesome stadiums

Don't see how you couldn't use the name 'Perth' don't think you have copyright in the name of a city. Obviously couldn't call the side the Perth Demons or use Perth's existing colours without consent but you wouldn't anyway as their name clashes with Melbourne and their colours clash with Essendon.

Excluding the Fremantle teams and Peel, which have a clear affiliation with Fremantle, the relevant WAFL teams are as follows:

Claremont is (in my opinion) the best club in the WAFL but suffers from an AFL elevation perspective on the basis that its logo is identical to Carlton's, its name is the Tigers and it is based in the heart of the West Coast supporting Western-suburbs. However it is a strong and proud club and would carry at least 4,000 supporters into the AFL from inception you would think.

East Perth Royals is a strong club historically with cool colours and a strong brand. Benefits from a unique name and colour scheme that would suit well in the AFL. Home games at Leederville Oval place it in West Coast supporting territory, but that doesn't really distinguish them from anything else in Perth as basically everywhere outside of Fremantle can be considered the same.

West Perth Falcons are a historically strong club also, but currently not as strong / popular. Unique colour scheme and name that would elevate to AFL level without issue (albeit ugly) and based the furthest away from the Inner City / Western Suburbs that is the Eagles true heart land give it strong geographical points. However, the Joondalup Area is a shit hole full of English people, South Africans and other migrants that wouldn't necessarily be football converts from day one. However, a region of young families and the AFL thought they could transition Western Sydney to a football state so why wouldn't they try the same here.

Subiaco Lions, the most dominant WAFL side in recent memory with semi-unique colour scheme and jersey design. However, shared name with Brisbane would obviously need to be addressed before AFL promotion. The most cashed-up WAFL club from my understanding so would probably have the strongest impact at AFL level if promoted, however the issue I see is that Subiaco and West Coast are historically closely aligned due to geographical proximity and the shared use of Subiaco oval.

Swan Districts are a proud club, but the least financially and fan supported. Issues with colour scheme and logo which mimic Collingwood make it too difficult to consider a promotion.


Personally I think East Perth or West Perth have the best grounds for a promotion or just name the team Perth and create a unique identity.

 

[citizen-erased]

Don't see how you couldn't use the name 'Perth' don't think you have copyright in the name of a city. Obviously couldn't call the side the Perth Demons or use Perth's existing colours without consent but you wouldn't anyway as their name clashes with Melbourne and their colours clash with Essendon.

Excluding the Fremantle teams and Peel, which have a clear affiliation with Fremantle, the relevant WAFL teams are as follows:

Claremont is (in my opinion) the best club in the WAFL but suffers from an AFL elevation perspective on the basis that its logo is identical to Carlton's, its name is the Tigers and it is based in the heart of the West Coast supporting Western-suburbs. However it is a strong and proud club and would carry at least 4,000 supporters into the AFL from inception you would think.

East Perth Royals is a strong club historically with cool colours and a strong brand. Benefits from a unique name and colour scheme that would suit well in the AFL. Home games at Leederville Oval place it in West Coast supporting territory, but that doesn't really distinguish them from anything else in Perth as basically everywhere outside of Fremantle can be considered the same.

West Perth Falcons are a historically strong club also, but currently not as strong / popular. Unique colour scheme and name that would elevate to AFL level without issue (albeit ugly) and based the furthest away from the Inner City / Western Suburbs that is the Eagles true heart land give it strong geographical points. However, the Joondalup Area is a s**t hole full of English people, South Africans and other migrants that wouldn't necessarily be football converts from day one. However, a region of young families and the AFL thought they could transition Western Sydney to a football state so why wouldn't they try the same here.

Subiaco Lions, the most dominant WAFL side in recent memory with semi-unique colour scheme and jersey design. However, shared name with Brisbane would obviously need to be addressed before AFL promotion. The most cashed-up WAFL club from my understanding so would probably have the strongest impact at AFL level if promoted, however the issue I see is that Subiaco and West Coast are historically closely aligned due to geographical proximity and the shared use of Subiaco oval.

Swan Districts are a proud club, but the least financially and fan supported. Issues with colour scheme and logo which mimic Collingwood make it too difficult to consider a promotion.


Personally I think East Perth or West Perth have the best grounds for a promotion or just name the team Perth and create a unique identity.

Royals in the afl would be cool.
Kings bday clash in perth.

 

[Pie eyed]

What about a northern team
Broome Darwin Cairns?

Small local turnout and vast distances will be the first hurdle for all three, then infrastructure, with generally unsuitable weather conditions the biggest though.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Don't see how you couldn't use the name 'Perth' don't think you have copyright in the name of a city. Obviously couldn't call the side the Perth Demons or use Perth's existing colours without consent but you wouldn't anyway as their name clashes with Melbourne and their colours clash with Essendon.

Excluding the Fremantle teams and Peel, which have a clear affiliation with Fremantle, the relevant WAFL teams are as follows:

Claremont is (in my opinion) the best club in the WAFL but suffers from an AFL elevation perspective on the basis that its logo is identical to Carlton's, its name is the Tigers and it is based in the heart of the West Coast supporting Western-suburbs. However it is a strong and proud club and would carry at least 4,000 supporters into the AFL from inception you would think.

East Perth Royals is a strong club historically with cool colours and a strong brand. Benefits from a unique name and colour scheme that would suit well in the AFL. Home games at Leederville Oval place it in West Coast supporting territory, but that doesn't really distinguish them from anything else in Perth as basically everywhere outside of Fremantle can be considered the same.

West Perth Falcons are a historically strong club also, but currently not as strong / popular. Unique colour scheme and name that would elevate to AFL level without issue (albeit ugly) and based the furthest away from the Inner City / Western Suburbs that is the Eagles true heart land give it strong geographical points. However, the Joondalup Area is a s**t hole full of English people, South Africans and other migrants that wouldn't necessarily be football converts from day one. However, a region of young families and the AFL thought they could transition Western Sydney to a football state so why wouldn't they try the same here.

Subiaco Lions, the most dominant WAFL side in recent memory with semi-unique colour scheme and jersey design. However, shared name with Brisbane would obviously need to be addressed before AFL promotion. The most cashed-up WAFL club from my understanding so would probably have the strongest impact at AFL level if promoted, however the issue I see is that Subiaco and West Coast are historically closely aligned due to geographical proximity and the shared use of Subiaco oval.

Swan Districts are a proud club, but the least financially and fan supported. Issues with colour scheme and logo which mimic Collingwood make it too difficult to consider a promotion.


Personally I think East Perth or West Perth have the best grounds for a promotion or just name the team Perth and create a unique identity.

West Perth currently nit that strong? Reigning Premier and the biggest supporter base buy some margin.
Claremont not even close to the best club in the WAFL, historically in the worst 4.

 

[Lingsface]

West Perth currently nit that strong? Reigning Premier and the biggest supporter base buy some margin.
Claremont not even close to the best club in the WAFL, historically in the worst 4.

south west wa club growing area and recent airport upgrade.

 

[Le Grille]

south west wa club growing area and recent airport upgrade.

Yep, direct flights to and from Melbourne too

 

[Lingsface]

Population of about 400 k a lifestyle area as well.