20th AFL Team

[threenewpadlocks]

There's also lots of evidence that over the AFL national era and Perth's growth as a city has meant that the average Perth person is less intense of an AFL fan.

This is possibly due to there being too many people for the clubs (seat limits etc) but also because the league outside of the Perth teams is hard to follow because of time zones etc. with increased Thursday night football etc. It's harder for a Perth person to be invested in the AFL outside of the two teams.

A third Perth team soaks up that population growth but also simply reinforces a general love of AFL among the population because there's more games in general outside of that supporting team that are local and a good time zone to watch etc.

 

[Canberra Pear]

It would actual go more towards fixing the draw since WA teams would travel less.

North has already fixed that issue

 

[RedV3x]

we need an actual stronger national reserves comp.

We need stronger state competitions.

 

[RedV3x]

The club would be based in Joondalup

No that's Eagles heartland and it hasn't done much for the Joondalup Falcons.

and have a redeveloped stadium there.

The government reneged on building a railway station nearby

It's where their big fan catchment would come from

The fan catchment is already there.

and Bunbury too with the 3 games per year over time getting kids on board in these areas.

Where's Bunbury closest to - Armadale.
Armadale doesn't have a WAFL team but it did have an entire league along the railway line.
Swan Valley is forgotten and Ellenbrook will receive a new boost with the new railway line.
Any new team has to be away from the nominal areas - S0outh for Fremantle and North for Eagles.
That leaves East - East Perth (NNE), Perth (SE) and Swan Districts (NE).

W.A 3 would wanna hope Basil gets elected in 4 years time, he's a former West Perth player and footy nuffie.

He's speaking out and being noticed unlike his predecessor.

 

[eastfreo75]

It would actual go more towards fixing the draw since WA teams would travel less. It won't even be a discussion when WA3 comes in, it'll just happen and save 4 extra flights across the country per season.

It’s actually only 2 fights. 11 away games excluding Gather Round.

9 away games vs interstate teams and 2 games against the other WA teams.

Therefore, it’s only one extra in WA.

 

[Purple Suit]

It’s actually only 2 fights. 11 away games excluding Gather Round.

9 away games vs interstate teams and 2 games against the other WA teams.

Therefore, it’s only one extra in WA.

I was comparing it to Canberra where every game will involve a flight so 2 derbies per team is 4 less flights. But you’re correct regarding if they double up.

 

[Canberra Pear]

I was comparing it to Canberra where every game will involve a flight so 2 derbies per team is 4 less flights. But you’re correct regarding if they double up.

Sorry, a little confused, so just confirming. You're comparing Canberra vs WA3 in terms of more flights for the overall competition? Or just home games for WA teams?

 

[Canberra Pear]

Came across this graphic in a planning doucment. Reinforces how much of Canberra's immediate catchment isn't included when people reference the ACT, or even Canberra-Queanbeyan.

For context, in 2016, Canberra's population was 396k, and Canberra-Queanbeyan had 432k people. So there was almost 100k people within the hour radius not included in that urban area.

This was put out in 2018, and we've already pushed past projections, so we're probably tracking close to 700k within the hour if we enter in 2032/33.

For context, Gold Coast-Tweed Heads had
558k people when the Suns entered.

 

[Rob]

Yeah so w.a 3 would definitely get 2 home derbies, then you'd have other venue options to use in the waca, bunbury and joondalup.

That's how you build new fans, by playing at different venues not Optus all the time like the other 2 clubs. You'd probably go 5 Optus, 3 Bunbury, 3 Joondalup initially.

WTF.....who the hell would support that sort of abortion team? You're better off playing 5 Optus and 6 in Joondalup or something like that. Not that Joondalup would get more than a handful of supporters.

 

[Canberra Pear]

WTF.....who the hell would support that sort of abortion team? You're better off playing 5 Optus and 6 in Joondalup or something like that. Not that Joondalup would get more than a handful of supporters.

Still think Joondalup games are unnecessary.

The point of WA3 is it's allegedly the "cheap" option as it's already good to go.

If you have to upgrade Joondalup to the standard and capacity of playing multiple games a year, it's no longer the cheap, good-to-go option.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

View attachment 2303526
Came across this graphic in a planning doucment. Reinforces how much of Canberra's immediate catchment isn't included when people reference the ACT, or even Canberra-Queanbeyan.

For context, in 2016, Canberra's population was 396k, and Canberra-Queanbeyan had 432k people. So there was almost 100k people within the hour radius not included in that urban area.

This was put out in 2018, and we've already pushed past projections, so we're probably tracking close to 700k within the hour if we enter in 2032/33.

For context, Gold Coast-Tweed Heads had
558k people when the Suns entered.

Little bit disingenuous to reference an hour drive catchment for Canberra but merely refer to GC-Tweed for the logic of GC's introduction when it is obviously in part to service a wider SEQ market (while obviously centred on GC but indirectly for the millions of others in SEQ), with much of Brisbane also within an hour's drive of GC.

 

[Canberra Pear]

Little bit disingenuous to reference an hour drive catchment for Canberra but merely refer to GC-Tweed for the logic of GC's introduction when it is obviously in part to service a wider SEQ market (while obviously centred on GC but indirectly for the millions of others in SEQ), with much of Brisbane also within an hour's drive of GC.

I would've thought it was pretty obvious, but I didn't include Brisbane, because they already have a team.

Guess you could argue some of the southern Brisbane suburbs might gravitate more to the GC (I honestly don't know Queensland that well). You could also argue that the Gold Coast is close enough to the Gabba that some GC Lions fans may have been harder to budge.

Regardless, it shows that Canberra has a large enough population for team.

 

[Aussie in exile]

I'm begining to think now that if Canberra is not the next AFL team it never will have it's own team, and in my opinion I think there is something or someone who is behind the scenes that doesn't want Canberra to have a team.
I'm just expressing my opinion.

 

[Canberra Pear]

, and in my opinion I think there is something or someone who is behind the scenes that doesn't want Canberra to have a team.
I'm just expressing my opinion.

I don't think it's anything as sinister as that, I think Canberra is just more politically nuanced than Tasmania, the NT, or Perth.

Canberra is a mixed-code town, and the rugbies (and soccer) fans, are all crying for a new stadium.

The Chief Minister is a big AFL fan. He hasn't actively (at least publicly) asked for an AFL team, but he has implied it. He knows the benefits it would have. Almost worth it for the economic impact alone. But he can't ask for an AFL team without seriously pissing off Brumbies, Raiders and soccer fans.

But he's doing little things to push for it, without outwardly pushing for it. By chasing the BBL team, he's pushing to upgrade Manuka, but without saying it's for AFL. An upgrade is necessary for an AFL team, but by the time it comes, the ACT Government won't have to upgrade it for an AFL team.

I'm begining to think now that if Canberra is not the next AFL team it never will have it's own team

This is my biggest fear, too. If we miss out on a team, I think it'll be on the false assumption that the Giants need us too much.

And if we miss out on the 20th team, I'm not expecting a Canberra team in my lifetime.

But if we miss out on a 20th team because of the Giants, I'm cancelling my Giants membership, and I know I'm not the only one.

 

[Rob]

Still think Joondalup games are unnecessary.

The point of WA3 is it's allegedly the "cheap" option as it's already good to go.

If you have to upgrade Joondalup to the standard and capacity of playing multiple games a year, it's no longer the cheap, good-to-go option.

Oh I'm not advocating Joondalup as a base, I think it's a dumb idea. My point was if you want to appeal to supporters you can't play games all over the place and be an everywhere team you just end up having no identity and appealing to nobody.

 

[loco3]

View attachment 2303526
Came across this graphic in a planning doucment. Reinforces how much of Canberra's immediate catchment isn't included when people reference the ACT, or even Canberra-Queanbeyan.

For context, in 2016, Canberra's population was 396k, and Canberra-Queanbeyan had 432k people. So there was almost 100k people within the hour radius not included in that urban area.

This was put out in 2018, and we've already pushed past projections, so we're probably tracking close to 700k within the hour if we enter in 2032/33.

For context, Gold Coast-Tweed Heads had
558k people when the Suns entered.

Really rate this kind of thinking - ie how can Canberra tap into support for afl in the surrounding regions. If done successfully, it elevates the proposal.

However, isn’t there a pretty strong NSW/anti-Canberra identity outside the ACT? How far from Canberra can you reasonably aim to draw supporters from?

 

[Canberra Pear]

Really rate this kind of thinking - ie how can Canberra tap into support for afl in the surrounding regions. If done successfully, it elevates the proposal.

However, isn’t there a pretty strong NSW/anti-Canberra identity outside the ACT? How far from Canberra can you reasonably aim to draw supporters from?

I think anything within 90 minutes wouldn't have much of an issue identifying with Canberra.

We're a big regional centre. A huge chunk of that would work in Canberra and I'd say the majority probably travel to Canberra in any given week.

A lot of those areas are still considered within the "ACT Region", "Capital Region" or "Canberra Region" for different categories.

 

[Badger17]

I don't think it's anything as sinister as that, I think Canberra is just more politically nuanced than Tasmania, the NT, or Perth.

Canberra is a mixed-code town, and the rugbies (and soccer) fans, are all crying for a new stadium.

The Chief Minister is a big AFL fan. He hasn't actively (at least publicly) asked for an AFL team, but he has implied it. He knows the benefits it would have. Almost worth it for the economic impact alone. But he can't ask for an AFL team without seriously pissing off Brumbies, Raiders and soccer fans.

But he's doing little things to push for it, without outwardly pushing for it. By chasing the BBL team, he's pushing to upgrade Manuka, but without saying it's for AFL. An upgrade is necessary for an AFL team, but by the time it comes, the ACT Government won't have to upgrade it for an AFL team.

Most Raiders and Brumbies fans wouldn't GAF if Barr and the government publicly pushed for an AFL side, if anything a significant portion of them would support it.

What pisses them off is that he's withheld investment and neglected rectangular infrastructure, and most other sports and entertainment infrastructure, to the point that it's becoming derelict, whilst heavily supporting an AFL side from Sydney and throwing money at Manuka because of his own personal preferences, and frankly that's fair enough.

He should be representing and addressing the needs of the whole community, not just the bits he likes.

Labour has promised a new stadium at every election since 08, and at this point Bruce is genuinely falling apart. He allowed the AIS Arena to get so bad that it had to be closed to the public, and we've needed a new one for 20 years. Labour has been promising a new ice rink for at least a decade, and we've needed it for a lot longer than that. I could go on, but you get the point.

How much money has been spent on the AFL, Cricket, and Manuka in that same time? IDK, and can't be bothered to look it up, but it's a very bad look when A. neither have a Canberran team in their national leagues, and B. the other stadiums/venues are literally being closed because of neglect.

This is my biggest fear, too. If we miss out on a team, I think it'll be on the false assumption that the Giants need us too much.

And if we miss out on the 20th team, I'm not expecting a Canberra team in my lifetime.

But if we miss out on a 20th team because of the Giants, I'm cancelling my Giants membership, and I know I'm not the only one.

By that point it'll be too late to have any impact.

There's little incentive to add a team here for as long as people continue to tacitly support GWS, but you can't convince a lot of people because they're expats, not real Canberrans, and they're not really paying attention. They're much more concerned about simply having access to the AFL than thinking about what's best for the city in the long run.

I don't really have anything against the clubs that play games here, I'd take the money if I was in their situation as well, but I have no interest in supporting them and I'll never lower myself to becoming a member of one. Give me a real Canberran team or GTFO.

The GWS situation has definitely got the stink of what happened to the Darters on it though doesn't it.

 

[Badger17]

I think anything within 90 minutes wouldn't have much of an issue identifying with Canberra.

We're a big regional centre. A huge chunk of that would work in Canberra and I'd say the majority probably travel to Canberra in any given week.

A lot of those areas are still considered within the "ACT Region", "Capital Region" or "Canberra Region" for different categories.

Those people will definitely travel to Canberra to watch AFL matches pretty regularly, many of them annually or multiple times a year, but I'm not sure what percentage you could realistically expect to become supporters of a Canberran side.

Outside of little pockets even the Raiders aren't that popular in most of the Capital Region, and especially SNSW more broadly, so I can't see a Canberran AFL side being that big either, but you don't need them to be to monetise the AFL support in the region.

Thousands of people travel from those regions, and further afield, to support their favourite team when they play the Raiders in Canberra, and the same would happen in the AFL if Canberra had a team. So you don't need them to barrack for the local club to get them supporting it financially, and making the AFL more accessible in the region still benefits the AFL and grows the sport in the region even if they're not all becoming Canberra fans.

Put simply, the local Collingwood, Geelong, Swans, etc, fanbases pay the same price of admission as Canberra fans would.

 

[wormy]

I don't think it's anything as sinister as that, I think Canberra is just more politically nuanced than Tasmania, the NT, or Perth.

Canberra is a mixed-code town, and the rugbies (and soccer) fans, are all crying for a new stadium.

The Chief Minister is a big AFL fan. He hasn't actively (at least publicly) asked for an AFL team, but he has implied it. He knows the benefits it would have. Almost worth it for the economic impact alone. But he can't ask for an AFL team without seriously pissing off Brumbies, Raiders and soccer fans.

But he's doing little things to push for it, without outwardly pushing for it. By chasing the BBL team, he's pushing to upgrade Manuka, but without saying it's for AFL. An upgrade is necessary for an AFL team, but by the time it comes, the ACT Government won't have to upgrade it for an AFL team.



This is my biggest fear, too. If we miss out on a team, I think it'll be on the false assumption that the Giants need us too much.

And if we miss out on the 20th team, I'm not expecting a Canberra team in my lifetime.

But if we miss out on a 20th team because of the Giants, I'm cancelling my Giants membership, and I know I'm not the only one.

I felt the same way when the hawks pretended to be a Tasmanian team so that Tasmania didn't get one when the giants and suns came in

 

[wormy]

AFL won't be happy that NRL is getting all the press putting a team in their own backyard. I can't see it being too long until the AFL makes a move in regards to team 20.

 

[GenericUsername202]

Looks more likely there won't even be a 19th AFL team, let alone a 20th one.

 

[wormy]

Looks more likely there won't even be a 19th AFL team, let alone a 20th one.

Nah tassie is locked in, it'll get though because liberal and Labor both support.

 

[GenericUsername202]

Nah tassie is locked in, it'll get though because liberal and Labor both support.

Not if the stadium deal doesn't go through, which is hugely unpopular in Tasmania right now.

 

[Cunnington Cartel]

Not if the stadium deal doesn't go through, which is hugely unpopular in Tasmania right now.

Both major parties have publicly declared their support for the project, it’s in the box seat to go through.