Past #26: Tarryn Thomas [Part III] - [C.Twomey] AFL rules TT is eligible to play in all competitions as of 14 October

[South of the Yarra]

Ironic you've reclassified a distinct similarity as a point a difference.

This is a frustrating misconception. Like the US and India referenced above, Australia Day also has roots in our independence from a colonial past. January 26th is a seminal moment in Australian history but not for the reasons mainstream media would have you think.

On Jan 26th 1949, Australian citizenship became a thing.... we were no longer just British Subjects. Not insignifcantly but in what seems to have been erased from the current narrative, Aborigines we're from that same date protected as they hadn't been before; now also recognised as 'Australians' by the British.

Be wary of your sources.

Anywho, I hope Taz is innocent and the AFL deem as much very fn soon. Regardless, the process is a bloody farce.

Firstly, the word Aborigines is a really horrible word for many Aboriginal people. It can be quite offensive. Secondly ‘protected as they hadn’t been before’ is almost laughable. Did you miss the 50s and the 60s and the Stolen Generation and extreme racism.

Thirdly, guilty all not guilty Tarryn, needs people to wrap their arms around him. He is a young man at high risk. Look after him.

 

[Devington]

AFL could go in any direction. Wet lettuce leaf for some really ****ed up shit, or make an example of him for something that is pretty much nothing. The process taking forever is frustrating but I don't think it has much of a bearing on anything. As was pointed out there are procedures to follow and lawyers to rack up billable hours.

As much as I would be pulling my hair out if they throw the book at him, I'm not going to make a judgement beyond "he put himself in this position" until we actually have some freaking idea of what the specifics of the allegation are.

‘Severity of the allegations…’

Give me a spell.

I must have missed the part of the article, as well as all the previous articles and news bulletins, where they actually discussed the specifics of the allegations. Odds on Ralphy actually knowing what he's talking about?

 

[gustaaf]

Firstly, the word Aborigines is a really horrible word for many Aboriginal people. It can be quite offensive. Secondly ‘protected as they hadn’t been before’ is almost laughable. Did you miss the 50s and the 60s and the Stolen Generation and extreme racism.

Thirdly, guilty all not guilty Tarryn, needs people to wrap their arms around him. He is a young man at high risk. Look after him.

My workplace undertook Aboriginal Cultural Awareness training during NAIDOC week about 10 years ago. The person delivering the training made the same observation about the use of the word Aborigines. The irony is that NAIDOC actually stands for National Aborigines and Islanders Day Observance Committee, which Aboriginal people have initiated and celebrate annually, so how offensive can it really be?

If TT has stuffed up in a major way he only has himself to blame after all the support he has received from North. How many times can you make the same mistake when your career is potentially on the line? I hope it isn't as bad as what has been implied. We still haven't got any details of what he is supposed to have done, so it is all speculation. I have no doubt that North will continue to provide him with support, no matter what the outcome.

 

[CBSlogger]

Firstly, the word Aborigines is a really horrible word for many Aboriginal people. It can be quite offensive. Secondly ‘protected as they hadn’t been before’ is almost laughable. Did you miss the 50s and the 60s and the Stolen Generation and extreme racism.

Thirdly, guilty all not guilty Tarryn, needs people to wrap their arms around him. He is a young man at high risk. Look after him.

1. Wording quoted from the Act as it was written.

2. Facts are facts. Separate from emotion. That there was subsequent injustice doesn't change the fact that there were more rights bestowed on the indigenous population from 26/01/49 than had been before.

3. Utterly irrelevant to my post but I agree. As all should be, he is innocent until proven guilty in my eyes and he is also a North Melbourne man.

Again, another farcical AFL 'process'.

 

[zoomba23]

That article reads as if things are nearing Elijah Taylor territory in terms of untenability. If anyone remembers that weird chapter in the storied history of the early 2020s.

Reckon the jungle drums of judgment are imminent. One way or another this will resolve, regardless of what (perfectly valid) qualms exist regarding the league playing judge Judy and executioner

 

[Roo316]

1. Wording quoted from the Act as it was written.

2. Facts are facts. Separate from emotion. That there was subsequent injustice doesn't change the fact that there were more rights bestowed on the indigenous population from 26/01/49 than had been before.

3. Utterly irrelevant to my post but I agree. As all should be, he is innocent until proven guilty in my eyes and he is also a North Melbourne man.

Again, another farcical AFL 'process'.

“Bestowed”

**** if you don’t laugh you cry.

 

[South of the Yarra]

1. Wording quoted from the Act as it was written.

2. Facts are facts. Separate from emotion. That there was subsequent injustice doesn't change the fact that there were more rights bestowed on the indigenous population from 26/01/49 than had been before.

3. Utterly irrelevant to my post but I agree. As all should be, he is innocent until proven guilty in my eyes and he is also a North Melbourne man.

Again, another farcical AFL 'process'.

Facts are Facts that the 50s and 60s were some of the worst times in history for Aboriginals. When is an AFL process not a farce?

 

[South of the Yarra]

My workplace undertook Aboriginal Cultural Awareness training during NAIDOC week about 10 years ago. The person delivering the training made the same observation about the use of the word Aborigines. The irony is that NAIDOC actually stands for National Aborigines and Islanders Day Observance Committee, which Aboriginal people have initiated and celebrate annually, so how offensive can it really be?

If TT has stuffed up in a major way he only has himself to blame after all the support he has received from North. How many times can you make the same mistake when your career is potentially on the line? I hope it isn't as bad as what has been implied. We still haven't got any details of what he is supposed to have done, so it is all speculation. I have no doubt that North will continue to provide him with support, no matter what the outcome.

How offensive can it be? It can be highly offensive to many Aboriginal people but obviously not all. Many of the groups that had the word ‘Aborigines’ in it were formed in the 1920s by heroes such as William Cooper. Alternative options were not known at the time (Aborigines was all that was known because it was what was forced on Aboriginals) and several events that caused the distress had not taken place as yet. It is an offensive word to many with negative links to colonisation and many Stolen Generation Aboriginals can be quite offended by the word.

 

[rm3504]

A waste of a talent, career appears to be heading to an inevitable conclusion
Club appears jinxed on academy and father son picks

 

[DuckYeah]

I still cannot fathom how if this incident is “serious” how its not a police matter?
Laughable

 

[Samsquanch]

Krakouers is no long able to post, at all

Sincerely

Bigfooty Grammar Police… Force

Thank goodness for that.











Oh. I just realised something...

Anyway, carry on.

 

[gustaaf]

How offensive can it be? It can be highly offensive to many Aboriginal people but obviously not all. Many of the groups that had the word ‘Aborigines’ in it were formed in the 1920s by heroes such as William Cooper. Alternative options were not known at the time (Aborigines was all that was known because it was what was forced on Aboriginals) and several events that caused the distress had not taken place as yet. It is an offensive word to many with negative links to colonisation and many Stolen Generation Aboriginals can be quite offended by the word.

I was merely pointing out a fact and the irony of what you were saying. If the word Aborigines is so offensive, why hasn't NAIDOC changed the wording contained in their acronym? Aboriginal people are in full control of that after all and change can be achieved at the drop of a hat.

I worked almost my entire working life working with and for Aboriginal people to help improve training, education and employment outcomes. That involved regular contact with many ATSI colleagues, Land Councils, ATSI corporations and strategic partners. I have never heard any ATSI person ever expressing concerns about the use of the word Aborigines apart from that one person who delivered the Aboriginal Cultural Awareness course I referred to.

I'm not going to go back and forth on this, so this will be my last reply to you, but you're wasting your time lecturing people on a North Melbourne footy forum. If you want to institute change you might start by lobbying NAIDOC who can actually do something about it. They have enshrined the word you find offensive in an official title that is celebrated 8 days in July every year.

 

[ArchKing Carey]

I still cannot fathom how if this incident is “serious” how its not a police matter?
Laughable

I agree with this sentiment. if he did something that wasn't on a footy field that's worthy of a criminal conviction it should go through the police and the courts. if it's the AFL handling it, it can't be serious enough to warrant a lengthy suspension. Unless they want to use him as an example for other players and show they are serious.

 

[Shinboner1]

So anyone got an idea on what's happening?

 

[South of the Yarra]

I was merely pointing out a fact and the irony of what you were saying. If the word Aborigines is so offensive, why hasn't NAIDOC changed the wording contained in their acronym? Aboriginal people are in full control of that after all and change can be achieved at the drop of a hat.

I worked almost my entire working life working with and for Aboriginal people to help improve training, education and employment outcomes. That involved regular contact with many ATSI colleagues, Land Councils, ATSI corporations and strategic partners. I have never heard any ATSI person ever expressing concerns about the use of the word Aborigines apart from that one person who delivered the Aboriginal Cultural Awareness course I referred to.

I'm not going to go back and forth on this, so this will be my last reply to you, but you're wasting your time lecturing people on a North Melbourne footy forum. If you want to institute change you might start by lobbying NAIDOC who can actually do something about it. They have enshrined the word you find offensive in an official title that is celebrated 8 days in July every year.

Then if you have never heard people taking offence at the word 'Aborigines' then you have never spoken to many Aboriginals and you have never listened. What is ironic is that you are lecturing an Aboriginal on what they find offensive and what I dislike being called. It is a horrible word that has strong connotations particularly for us Stolen Generation Aboriginals. Half the battle with Aboriginals is that people keep telling us how we should feel. How dare I take offence at the word Aborigine or Aborigines because someone tells me I shouldn't. And half the other battle is that you are not willing to listen and learn and you will keep throwing the term around and offending people.

Some literature for you

https://www.reconciliation.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/inclusive-and-respectful-language.pdf

Indigenous Australians: Torres Strait Islanders: Working with Indigenous Australians

Working with Indigenous Australians Website

www.workingwithindigenousaustralians.info

 

[krakouers]

So anyone got an idea on what's happening?

TL DR:

• Tarryn faces the court system with less information than he does now, gotta love courts
• Late night Friday SBS callbacks!
• <insert political landline here>
• Needs more Dim Sims
• Still feel white, privileged and out of touch with the Yoof… but that may be down to court orders
• See, we call again for those who fancy him to go out there and shake it to get him, he needs a stable partner so I still vote Hojuman to take one (giggity) for the team and give him love

 

[GoRoos2023]

It’s done with Tarryn, after everything that happened to have got the club in on this rubbish again is a disgrace.

He will be maybe a 10% chance to be on our list next year, you know Ben Williams will be selling the fresh start angle. He has already engaged other clubs last year.

So presuming he is gone next year what’s the point in having him as a distraction this year. He clearly won’t learn or doesn’t care enough to.

Negotiate a second round pick with Geelong or whoever now and say take a year off.

 

[Rooboys13]

Doesn’t Aborigine refer to original inhabitants of an area. The connotations associated with this afterwards are due to racist derived behaviours and points of view, the the word itself is purely descriptive indicating originality to an area. This is why I can see some native Australians have no issues with this and perhaps some rightful pride.


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[South of the Yarra]

Doesn’t Aborigine refer to original inhabitants of an area. The connotations associated with this afterwards are due to racist derived behaviours and points of view, the the word itself is purely descriptive indicating originality to an area. This is why I can see some native Australians have no issues with this and perhaps some rightful pride.


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The word Aborigine is what was used in policy to tear many Aboriginals apart. It was used to divide Aboriginal families and had links to Aboriginals being treated as animals and sub-humans. Of the tens of thousands of Aboriginals I know and have spoken to over the years, most find the word offensive.

 

[Rooboys13]

The word Aborigine is what was used in policy to tear many Aboriginals apart. It was used to divide Aboriginal families and had links to Aboriginals being treated as animals and sub-humans. Of the tens of thousands of Aboriginals I know and have spoken to over the years, most find the word offensive.

Yes it was used here to that vulgar effect. The actual word is not limited to the events in Australia, but a general description to indicate nativity to an area.
I believe the treatment suffered by the Aboriginal people was abhorrent but the word here in Australia was utilised in that way.


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[XU1-ROO]

I still cannot fathom how if this incident is “serious” how its not a police matter?
Laughable

Don’t worry You can take drugs and only get a 2 week suspension.

 

[travelli]

The word Aborigine is what was used in policy to tear many Aboriginals apart. It was used to divide Aboriginal families and had links to Aboriginals being treated as animals and sub-humans. Of the tens of thousands of Aboriginals I know and have spoken to over the years, most find the word offensive.

Do you have a term that you personally would prefer? First Nations/ First People or your people's clan name?

 

[The Dougster]

I still cannot fathom how if this incident is “serious” how its not a police matter?
Laughable

Yep. Any type of abuse whether it be verbal, written or physical, would be a police matter. I’ve had too much time(thanks AFL) to ponder this and it has to be something else. Possibly drug use and claims of that by ex partner?

I’m most likely wrong but what could it actually be if it’s not a police matter?

 

[South of the Yarra]

Do you have a term that you personally would prefer? First Nations/ First People or your people's clan name?

Great question. I personally prefer Aboriginal or mob / clan name. First Nations is more politically driven but holds no offence to me, Indigenous is fine as well but for me Aboriginal is preferred.

 

[DunderHead]

Doesn’t Aborigine refer to original inhabitants of an area. The connotations associated with this afterwards are due to racist derived behaviours and points of view, the the word itself is purely descriptive indicating originality to an area. This is why I can see some native Australians have no issues with this and perhaps some rightful pride.


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Aboriginal refers to a native inhabitant. Aborigine is a specific term used/created for Australian aboriginals.