Past #26: Tarryn Thomas [Part III] - [C.Twomey] AFL rules TT is eligible to play in all competitions as of 14 October

[travelli]

Great question. I personally prefer Aboriginal or mob / clan name. First Nations is more politically driven but holds no offence to me, Indigenous is fine as well but for me Aboriginal is preferred.

So Aboriginal good, aborigine bad.

It's a subtle but significant difference that many would not understand. It's worth noting Gustaaff, that in all the acronyms (eg. NAIDOC) , the "A" is for Aboriginal, not aborigine.

 

[trooroo4life]

I still cannot fathom how if this incident is “serious” how its not a police matter?
Laughable

Because the woman may not want it to be a police/court matter. Are we going to sit here and pretend that women don’t have the right to feel a lack of trust in the system when it comes to these issues?. IF he has ****ed up and done something serious and de platforming him from his high profile employment is enough for her to feel justice has been served then good for her.

If the reports are correct about there being a lengthy suspension looming, then there is obviously proof of an indiscretion. He had legal representation in attendance, the afl aren’t going to throw down a large penalty without proof.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Don’t worry You can take drugs and only get a 2 week suspension.

Is that really the mic drop you think it is? Lots of people take recreational drugs but they're still decent people. If somebody is a serial domestic abuser, then that's more of a social faux pas by anyone's standards, surely.

 

[speedy]

Because the woman may not want it to be a police/court matter. Are we going to sit here and pretend that women don’t have the right to feel a lack of trust in the system when it comes to these issues?.

So we trust the “integrity unit” then? A system where they tried to push the “interview” through as quickly as possible without Tarryn having legal representation?

 

[shinboner_99]

Aboriginal refers to a native inhabitant. Aborigine is a specific term used/created for Australian aboriginals.

Aborigine is the term for a native inhabitant, so the native of any area or country is an aborigine. Specifically the term Australian Aborigine became the accepted term for the original inhabitants of Australia. It's therefore a proper noun and should always be written with a capital "A". Aboriginal is the adjective. For example that painting is an example of aboriginal art. There endeth the lesson!

 

[Rooboys13]

Aborigine is the term for a native inhabitant, so the native of any area or country is an aborigine. Specifically the term Australian Aborigine became the accepted term for the original inhabitants of Australia. It's therefore a proper noun and should always be written with a capital "A". Aboriginal is the adjective. For example that painting is an example of aboriginal art. There endeth the lesson!

This is my understanding but in the scheme of things, let’s accept what the preferred terms are for any group. But also remember that the English terms used to label are from a foreign culture to what it is used for. For example but not related , the English terms / labels for IQ levels can be interpreted as insulting in the modern era, and invalid for disabled


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[Mcarcherey]

Tarryn clearly hasn't learned his lesson and he's not too bright.... HOWEVER they cannot suspend him over allegations, they could be the most egregious and disgusting allegations, it still doesn't make him guilty.


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[Mcarcherey]

Funny isn't it? That America's national day celebrates kicking the English out of America, and India's national day celebrates kicking the English out of India, but Australia's national day celebrates the English arriving in Australia. Funny probably isn't the right word. Sad might be a better way to sum it up.

They didn't arrive on that date, stop derailing the thread.

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[Mcarcherey]

Because the woman may not want it to be a police/court matter. Are we going to sit here and pretend that women don’t have the right to feel a lack of trust in the system when it comes to these issues?. IF he has ****ed up and done something serious and de platforming him from his high profile employment is enough for her to feel justice has been served then good for her.

If the reports are correct about there being a lengthy suspension looming, then there is obviously proof of an indiscretion. He had legal representation in attendance, the afl aren’t going to throw down a large penalty without proof.

That's bollocks. The AFL integrity unit isn't a court of law, who are they to determine someone's guilt!? It's the point of courts!

If you were innocent of a crime and the"victim" didn't want to go to the police, but "felt justice would be served" by going to your certification provider and ruining your career knowing the level of reasonable doubt is significantly lower, then that's totally unreasonable and the victim would be directed to the relevant authorities.

In addition, with all due respect to the victim, they are not qualified to hand down the punishment to the perpetrator. Again, it's why we have judges.

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[ChopChopDigDig]

Let’s say taz gets a big suspension - say 18 weeks (which I’ve heard elsewhere). Does the club stick by him? If not, do they delist him now or hold onto him for a trade?

 

[gokangas]

Let’s say taz gets a big suspension - say 18 weeks (which I’ve heard elsewhere). Does the club stick by him? If not, do they delist him now or hold onto him for a trade?

The word I heard is 'significant' suspension. I suppose what that means - is that 5 weeks or 15?

 

[Makeshift Park]

They didn't arrive on that date, stop derailing the thread.

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But it was the day Arthur Phillip hightailed it out of the Sutherland Shire, and anyone who's been there since European settlement would probably agree that's cause for celebration (except maybe ScoMo).

 

[Orange Peanut]

Ironic you've reclassified a distinct similarity as a point a difference.

This is a frustrating misconception. Like the US and India referenced above, Australia Day also has roots in our independence from a colonial past. January 26th is a seminal moment in Australian history but not for the reasons mainstream media would have you think.

On Jan 26th 1949, Australian citizenship became a thing.... we were no longer just British Subjects. Not insignifcantly but in what seems to have been erased from the current narrative, Aborigines we're from that same date protected as they hadn't been before; now also recognised as 'Australians' by the British.

Be wary of your sources.

Anywho, I hope Taz is innocent and the AFL deem as much very fn soon. Regardless, the process is a bloody farce.

They didn't arrive on that date, stop derailing the thread.

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The date was chosen in 1949 because that's the date the union jack was first hoisted here.
So really, everybody's right! Let's hug!

 

[Merlin007]

That's bollocks. The AFL integrity unit isn't a court of law, who are they to determine someone's guilt!? It's the point of courts!

If you were innocent of a crime and the"victim" didn't want to go to the police, but "felt justice would be served" by going to your certification provider and ruining your career knowing the level of reasonable doubt is significantly lower, then that's totally unreasonable and the victim would be directed to the relevant authorities.

In addition, with all due respect to the victim, they are not qualified to hand down the punishment to the perpetrator. Again, it's why we have judges.

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This is true, however the case does not involve criminal conduct, but adherence to an AFL policy, which the players sign up to as a contractual requirement. So yes, the AFL can determine whether a player breaches that policy - provided procedural fairness has been applied - and impose a disciplinary penalty (as they have in many other cases)

 

[Merlin007]

Because the woman may not want it to be a police/court matter. Are we going to sit here and pretend that women don’t have the right to feel a lack of trust in the system when it comes to these issues?. IF he has ****ed up and done something serious and de platforming him from his high profile employment is enough for her to feel justice has been served then good for her.

If the reports are correct about there being a lengthy suspension looming, then there is obviously proof of an indiscretion. He had legal representation in attendance, the afl aren’t going to throw down a large penalty without proof.

Note also in employment matters, the decision-maker is entitled to make a finding on the balance of probabilities, not beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[The Dougster]

Because the woman may not want it to be a police/court matter.

Regardless of what she may want. The AFL would then have the duty of notifying police if anything around domestic violence was happening. As far as I know, police aren’t involved

 

[Merlin007]

Regardless of what she may want. The AFL would then have the duty of notifying police if anything around domestic violence was happening. As far as I know, police aren’t involved

Again this appears to be true (at least from what we know), but there will be many situations where the AFL Respect and Responsibility might be breached short of it being a criminal matter. The purpose of that policy is:

The AFL expects that all people connected
with the game will conduct themselves in
a manner that demonstrates respect for
all people, regardless of gender identity
or sexual orientation, and recognises our
game’s responsibility to promote and
model gender equality without tolerance
for the harm of others based on gender

It's pretty clear that many behaviours - eg lewd remarks - would breach the policy without the police being involved.

And note the high standard - the employer will not tolerant any behaviour that causes harm to others.

 

[DrZaius]

The mental gymnastics in this thread are pretty funny, you absolutely don't need to commit a crime for your employer to have grounds to suspend or fire you. Just admit your North biases and be done with it.

 

[XU1-ROO]

Is that really the mic drop you think it is? Lots of people take recreational drugs but they're still decent people. If somebody is a serial domestic abuser, then that's more of a social faux pas by anyone's standards, surely.

Drugs can cause violence in families etc. That’s not ok

 

[Shinboner1]

At least he has his fashion brand to fall back on.

 

[DuckYeah]

The mental gymnastics in this thread are pretty funny, you absolutely don't need to commit a crime for your employer to have grounds to suspend or fire you. Just admit your North biases and be done with it.

Settle down hot shot. Have a look at what others have done and got away with. Ship off. This is a pebble in the ocean.

 

[nicko74]

You need help buddy.

No he doesn't

 

[DuckYeah]

If I was rich beyond belief I would do what Kerry Packer did to Cricket and make Footy Great Again.

 

[apollo_creed]

If I was rich beyond belief I would do what Kerry Packer did to Cricket and make Footy Great Again.

You’re embarrassing yourself but I doubt you’re mature enough to self reflect.

 

[Engimal v3]

Crikey