Past #26: Tarryn Thomas [Part III] - [C.Twomey] AFL rules TT is eligible to play in all competitions as of 14 October

[Del191229]

Whilst stereotyping of Aboriginal people around laziness and violence is horrific, I would suggest in this case, saying an individual is a lazy trainer is not racism. If the comment was 'All Aboriginals are lazy trainers' then that would be different. I certainly would not take racial offence at being called a lazy trainer.

It's one part of a pattern of repeated racism when it comes to TT

 

[gokangas]

I reckon if the ice was any thinner under the AFL on these issues they'd be underwater. No comment on TT because I don't know a thing either way but they'd want to be very confident they won't get push back from him / management (club irrelevant - they know we won't say boo about being told to wear different socks let alone anything else).

Same here. Don't have any inside intel this time around. Just seems somewhat confusing that the AFL is judge, jury and executioner. Let's see what develops because right now the process doesn't make sense.

 

[speedy]

Surely an “integrity” unit wouldn’t be leaking outcomes to the media.

Another leak... and people accept this process? Apt I suppose? kangaroo court for the kangaroos.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Interesting how times change......is it the media, social media, or everyone just wants to be outraged.

In 1997, Carey pleaded guilty to indecent assault after grabbing a woman’s breast on a Melbourne street, allegedly asking her “Why don’t you get a bigger pair of ****?”

As for TT, well clearly there's an issue, all clubs have them but a bit of a reach to call it a trail of destruction.

Not sure what your point is here. There was outrage over what Carey did. And for accuracy, that was 1995, not 97.

 

[ferball]

Whilst stereotyping of Aboriginal people around laziness and violence is horrific, I would suggest in this case, saying an individual is a lazy trainer is not racism. If the comment was 'All Aboriginals are lazy trainers' then that would be different. I certainly would not take racial offence at being called a lazy trainer.

The response to him is over the top. The media scrutiny is over the top. There doesn't seem to be any evidence of him being a violent pos like people I know who are or have been violent. Some of things certain posters on the main board say and then hide behind hearsay are pretty off, even posters who otherwise tend to not be racist or at least make that claim in other threads like the one about Hawthorn's saga.

 

[Del191229]

I'm not sure why people still bite at The Warlord's posts.

Same formula every time. Save your energy and the thread.

Still hoping he puts in a big year and signs a new deal.

Wonder who's alias this is.

Is that you Koala ****?

 

[South of the Yarra]

It's one part of a pattern of repeated racism when it comes to TT

I understand what you are saying but, in this case, a one off comment by a poster about lazy training is not intended racism. Unfortunately, it crosses into stereotyping of Aboriginal people. I was called a lazy trainer many times as youngster, and it was because I was a lazy trainer. It motivated me to lifT my game and train harder and harder. It wasn't racism it was criticism. Unfortunately, there are many who use the word lazy in relationship to Aboriginals in an explicitly racial way.

 

[Del191229]

There should be a sticky note at the top of the thread that list each posters stance on TT. It would save a whole lot of argument. He is a very polarising individual. The only thing we can all agree on is his talent is elite. For now until allegations are confirmed of wrong doing I will back him in.

People are allowed to - and should - changes their stances though.

 

[DesertRoo]

I understand what you are saying but, in this case, a one off comment by a poster about lazy training is not intended racism. Unfortunately, it crosses into stereotyping of Aboriginal people. I was called a lazy trainer many times as youngster, and it was because I was a lazy trainer. It motivated me to lifT my game and train harder and harder. It wasn't racism it was criticism. Unfortunately, there are many who use the word lazy in relationship to Aboriginals in an explicitly racial way.

The issue with this thread is lazy automatically gets brought up with any criticism.
He could have a 25 possession, 3 goal game and miss a tackle, the line gets thrown about, if only he was a better trainer, he would’ve made that tackle, he’s lazy etc, etc..

 

[South of the Yarra]

The issue with this thread is lazy automatically gets brought up with any criticism.
He could have a 25 possession, 3 goal game and miss a tackle, the line gets thrown about, if only he was a better trainer he would’ve made that tackle, he’s lazy etc, etc..

Fair point and to be honest I haven't read thw whole thread, i was just commenting on one posters coment.

 

[franjon]

Jon Anderson on 3AW reported that he has heard the TT AFL interview did not go well for TT and that a suspension is looming. Just posting what was said.

John Anderson of 3AW and the Herald-Sun. Now theres credibility in a nutshell.

 

[Del191229]

I understand what you are saying but, in this case, a one off comment by a poster about lazy training is not intended racism. Unfortunately, it crosses into stereotyping of Aboriginal people. I was called a lazy trainer many times as youngster, and it was because I was a lazy trainer. It motivated me to life my game and train harder and harder. It wasn't racism it was criticism. Unfortunately, there are many who use the word lazy in relationship to Aboriginals in an explicitly racial way.

It certainly wasn't a one off comment by that poster - they have a loooooong rap sheet when it comes to Tarryn. Is why I made the posts I did.

One thing I find fascinating about how this has played out is how it sits alongside the Hawthorn stuff, and given the interlocking personnel ... Clarkson most notably but not exclusively and process re the great possibly mythical AFL Integrity Unit.

You and I had good chats about all that on the main board, and ferball and I have had extensive discussions that really helped me sharpen my thinking.

The thing I find most interesting is who gets privileged and who we have to "believe" without question in these things, and how that all interplays with profoundly racist structures like our media.

Both matters have involved anonymous claims that got run through the media before any even vaguely formal process could start.

Then both have landed somewhere between AFL Land "processes" and the formal justice system.

When the claims against Tarryn have come into contact with the actual justice system - none of them have stuck. Yes, domestic violence stuff is hard to prosecute, but there's also never actually been a claim that he's hit anyone.

And the cops went over and above in their efforts to charge Tarryn with as much as possible, to the point where courts have criticised them for bringing weak verging on false charges.

Our club is literally run by women, and we absolutely have a One Club mentality. Emma Kearney is one of Tarryn's coaches.

If we honestly thought he was violent towards women, he wouldn't be at the club, end of story, we would have sacked him years ago now.

Thing is the club knows juyst how traumatic Tarryn's life has been and how recent family events have shattered what was a pretty fragile existence to begin with.

And unlike every other ****er involved in this, from Tarryn's ex's, to scumbag journos, the AFL Leaking Unit, the cops - we actually respect Tarryn's privacy.

You know one thing I find telling about this stuff - whenever some white kid who went to an elite private school gets caught with their nose in a bag of coke, or crashing their car, or acting like a sleazy scumbag in a club ... out comes the mental health line.

Tarryn's never done that though, to the best of my knowledge, he's fronted up each time. He did the respect program we put him on (which was no walk in the park), he cleaned dunnies with Mick O'Loughlin.

He put in the hard yards on the track so when he could return to play, he did so in good nick and quickly hit top form.

One of the elements of the Hawthorn racism stuff is the role of inter generational trauma for indigenous Australians.

I've said time and time again that Clarkson and Fagan marching around in their uniforms, muscly middle aged white blokes barking orders - to young and often dislocated and scared indigenous guys, they would have come across like the cops and social workers who have bullied and terrorised indigenous people for decades.

That's a truth Clarkson and the league have to wrestle with.

But Tarryn's a product of intergenerational trauma as brutal as there is, yet that never really gets taken into account, let alobe privileged.

Instead we now hear classic white woman's tears (like above) about what an evil monster he is. In the Herald Sun, that paragon of fair dealing for indigenous people, a few pages up from convicted racists Andrew Bolt's latest tirade.

As I said, it is fascinating just who's voices get privileged in these things.

And it seems to me that the "scary" looking tattooed indigenous bloke who made two crucial mistakes - vocally supporting Treaty and then telling white people he makes more in a year than they do in a decade - his voice and experience is never privileged.

He's just presented as a cartoon cut out stereotype of what white Australia - that just comprehensively voted down the Voice - hates and fears most about indigenous men.

(See also how quickly Adam Goodes went from beloved figure of the game to scary monster that had to be driven from the game when he dared to hold his ground against racists.)

 

[Del191229]

Same here. Don't have any inside intel this time around. Just seems somewhat confusing that the AFL is judge, jury and executioner. Let's see what develops because right now the process doesn't make sense.

You didn't last time either.

 

[Sillygit]

domestic violence stuff is hard to prosecute, but there's also never actually been a claim that he's hit anyone.

domestic violence is not just hitting people

 

[Jazny]

Instead we now hear classic white woman's tears (like above) about what an evil monster he is. In the Herald Sun, that paragon of fair dealing for indigenous people, a few pages up from convicted racists Andrew Bolt's latest tirade.

As I said, it is fascinating just who's voices get privileged in these things.

I am with you on how it could be racist to refer to Tarryn as lazy, but what is with the "white woman's tears" stuff? Kind of gross to characterize someone who has suffered alleged verbal abuse and intimidation to just dismiss that as white woman's tears.

 

[Sillygit]

I am with you on how it could be racist to refer to Tarryn as lazy, but what is with the "white woman's tears" stuff? Kind of gross to characterize someone who has suffered alleged verbal abuse and intimidation to just dismiss that as white woman's tears.

or that she's "sooking", "whinging" about "not being treated like a princess". Or that the threat to distribute images is fine because it was "consenually home made Pr0n".

 

[Frank Thring]

I am in Tarryn's corner.

 

[Del191229]

domestic violence is not just hitting people

I know, but there's never actually been a claim he hit anyone either has there.

 

[Del191229]

I am with you on how it could be racist to refer to Tarryn as lazy, but what is with the "white woman's tears" stuff? Kind of gross to characterize someone who has suffered alleged verbal abuse and intimidation to just dismiss that as white woman's tears.

It is about how prominently her experience is given airtime and portrayed, where it is placed in the media etc.

I have spent a career not only watching how that sausage gets made, but making it myself.

It is all entirely deliberate.

 

[Del191229]

or that she's "sooking", "whinging" about "not being treated like a princess". Or that the threat to distribute images is fine because it was "consenually home made Pr0n".

I didn't say it was fine.

It is a shitty thing to say, but in the realms of offences against the person, its not even an offence against the person.

And he didn't carry out the threat.

But noted your desperation to maximise and indeed inflate the account of the white woman at the expense of the indigenous man.

Not like that tendency has a horrific history hey.

 

[DesertRoo]

domestic violence is not just hitting people

The issue is no one actually knows what has happened, rather then letting the process play out, people have automatically jumped to their preconceived notions of the individuals.

It’s a bit shit that people have already written him off.

 

[ferball]

The issue is no one actually knows what has happened, rather then letting the process play out, people have automatically jumped to their preconceived notions of the individuals.

It’s a bit s**t that people have already written him off.

100%

 

[King Corey]

I'm not sure why people still bite at The Warlord's posts.

Same formula every time. Save your energy and the thread.

Still hoping he puts in a big year and signs a new deal.

Glad you brought this up.

We're currently in productive talks with The Warlord management and hoping to announce some exciting long term contract news shortly.

 

[hilly]

Glad you brought this up.

We're currently in productive talks with The Warlord management and hoping to announce some exciting long term contract news shortly.

I've traded him to Essendon for a future 2nd and 3rd.

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[Del191229]

Glad you brought this up.

We're currently in productive talks with The Warlord management and hoping to announce some exciting long term contract news shortly.

Putting it out there that again I'm willing to take unders to ensure we can keep the exciting group on this board together.

I also understand why I'm on year by year contracts.

The Essendon board have offered me a packet to go over there, but I just laughed at them.