4 axed for 3rd test

[bartel magic]

 

[kane249]

Isn't that the definition of mixed messages? Some people get it, some don't.

At the very least you could clarify and ask someone if you have to do it or not, it's makes them lazy for sitting back and asking a 3 second question

 

[Black Diamond]

How so? The rest of the team did what was asked of them.

Englishmen sledging us: Hey Hughesy, have you done your homework?

This is something they all are going to have to put up with. I those four had been on the piss and missed training that's one thing. To be suspended for not submitting a ****en text message? Way too far. The very nature of it is embarrassing.

 

[sherb]

Maybe they didn't care because it was a bullshit stupid sms that means nothing? Maybe they thought they'd spend their time actually doing something vaguely important and useful?

Good idea.

Maybe they could start doing some cricket practice.

 

[Gak Attack]

Unless they were already on their last chance from other issues, regardless of whether they did or didn't do what they were told to do, it just seems a massively over the top punishment when other options like fines, suspended penalties etc. are available. Besides giving a few a wake up call, I personally think it's going to do more harm than good and I would love to know some of the players views on Clarkey if did indeed support the axing's.

 

[Father Jack]

Like...

Pretty much anything. Going to the pub would be more useful

So it was a review of how bad things are and how to improve, yet they thought it was bullshit and didn't mean anything? As I said above if they really have that attitude towards the team then they don't care enough about the baggy green to deserve it.

The baggy green will not be improved via the swapping of SMS's and written essays. It will also not be improved by arbitrarily dropping players for some bullshit 'line in the sand' theatrics.

 

[Harmichael]

Nah
Border went ahead and told the media that he would resign because all the players were shit.

He did this before telling the other players.

Remember it well - after Bracewell destroyed us in NZ. Said he'd "had a gutful of that bunch" or something. Tiger O'Reilly went right though him in his newspaper column and wanted him sacked.

BTW - it's old news Clarke isn't popular with the team. Kim Hughes all over again. At The moment his sheer weight of runs are saving him. Only needs a couple of poor series with the bat and and it'll all end in tears for him as well. Faults on both sides. A couple of egos there just as big & precious as his if not moreso. No different than the situation with Bradman & the post-war side. He & Keith Miller won't be sharing any beers in that big change room in the sky, that's for sure.

 

[kane249]

Or they were just going to bring it up at the team meeting...

Obviously the point of this exercise was to have players go off on their own and submit their own thoughts on how to improve the team rather than have everyone in a room and come to a group consensus and let people coast by. The emphasis was on the players to have a think by themselves and not be influenced by the larger group, it's not that hard an exercise to do.

 

[The_Reaper]

Remember it well - after Bracewell destroyed us in NZ. Said he'd "had a gutful of that bunch" or something. Tiger O'Reilly went right though him in his newspaper column and wanted him sacked.

BTW - it's old news Clarke isn't popular with the team. Kim Hughes all over again. At The moment his sheer weight of runs are saving him. Only needs a couple of poor series with the bat and and it'll all end in tears for him as well. Faults on both sides. A couple of egos there just as big & precious as his if not moreso. No different than the situation with Bradman & the post-war side. He & Keith Miller won't be sharing any beers in that big change room in the sky, that's for sure.

Clarke's a perfectionist.

The problem is he expects the same from his players. He's probably right that many could be more professional but it's going to end in tears.

He's got a lot more support than Hughes did though.

 

[Public Enemy No1]

This South African c*** is making Australian cricket a laughing stock.

He needs to be sacked immediately !!!!
Disgusting

 

[Ill Chicken]

So it was a review of how bad things are and how to improve, yet they thought it was bullshit and didn't mean anything? As I said above if they really have that attitude towards the team then they don't care enough about the baggy green to deserve it.

Buchanan's use of The Art of War met with mixed reactions in 2001. Justin Langer was in raptures, poring over every word, agreeing with Buchanan that Chinese war tactics from the sixth century BC could be applied to Test cricket.

Mark Waugh was less enthusiastic. He walked out of a team meeting in London, tossed Buchanan's notes in a rubbish bin, laughed and told reporters: "What a load of s--t."

 

[lewigie]

Got on India at $2.05 yesterday.

Will be the easiest money I'll ever make.

India are still at $1.90 on bet365, everyone.

 

[sherb]

This South African c*** is making Australian cricket a laughing stock.

He needs to be sacked immediately !!!!
Disgusting

No, the players are doing that perfectly well by themselves.

 

[kane249]

Buchanan's use of The Art of War met with mixed reactions in 2001. Justin Langer was in raptures, poring over every word, agreeing with Buchanan that Chinese war tactics from the sixth century BC could be applied to Test cricket.

Mark Waugh was less enthusiastic. He walked out of a team meeting in London, tossed Buchanan's notes in a rubbish bin, laughed and told reporters: "What a load of s--t."

Arthuer asked the players what their own individual thoughts were on improving the team, he didn't make them read anything.

 

[Black Diamond]

Buchanan's use of The Art of War met with mixed reactions in 2001. Justin Langer was in raptures, poring over every word, agreeing with Buchanan that Chinese war tactics from the sixth century BC could be applied to Test cricket.

Mark Waugh was less enthusiastic. He walked out of a team meeting in London, tossed Buchanan's notes in a rubbish bin, laughed and told reporters: "What a load of s--t."

Interestingly Langer became part of one the greatest opening partnerships ever and avery good batsman in his own right, while Waugh became one of most wasted talents ever to earn a baggy green.

 

[Ill Chicken]

Clarke's a perfectionist.

The problem is he expects the same from his players. He's probably right that many could be more professional but it's going to end in tears.

He's got a lot more support than Hughes did though.

Kim Hughes had an old guard of players that didn't think he should have got the job and stabbed him in the back the whole time he was captain. Clarke is the one stabbing blokes in the back.

 

[Harmichael]

Clarke's a perfectionist.

The problem is he expects the same from his players. He's probably right that many could be more professional but it's going to end in tears.

He's got a lot more support than Hughes did though.

Lotta similarities though - like with Hughes, it's mainly the blokes from his own state that apparently don't like him.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Interestingly Langer became part of one the greatest opening partnerships ever and avery good batsman in his own right, while Waugh became one of most wasted talents ever to earn a baggy green.

A good coach or teacher recognises that he or she has a number of different learning styles underneath them and works to ensure that all of the personalities are given a chance to thrive under their tutelage.

 

[Ellie Aquitaine]

I'm surprised no one has joined the dots. Coach doesn't get texts from players, Vodafone major sponsor of the team...

Maybe it's just poor reception, not poor attitude

 

[kane249]

Kim Hughes had an old guard of players that didn't think he should have got the job and stabbed him in the back the whole time he was captain. Clarke is the one stabbing blokes in the back.

Yes and I bet Clarke deliberately sabotaged their calendar reminders on their iPhones so they missed the 6 day deadline as well

 

[Ill Chicken]

Interestingly Langer became part of one the greatest opening partnerships ever and avery good batsman in his own right, while Waugh became one of most wasted talents ever to earn a baggy green.

Yeah a decade of cricket for Australian test team is a waste.

 

[Black Diamond]

A good coach or teacher recognises that he or she has a number of different learning styles underneath them and works to ensure that all of the personalities are given a chance to thrive under their tutelage.

The reactions of Langer and Waugh were typical of the men. I bet when ever they did an old school team meeting Langer still gave it a go, as should have Waugh in the above instance.

 

[worstbloke]

Interestingly Langer became part of one the greatest opening partnerships ever and avery good batsman in his own right, while Waugh became one of most wasted talents ever to earn a baggy green.

Shane Warne has launched a blistering attack on the former Australia coach, John Buchanan, accusing him of being a "goose" who lives in "pixieland" and suffers from "verbal diarrhoea".

Warne, who retired from Test cricket in January with a then Test-record 708 wickets, has regularly sounded off about Buchanan in recent years. But his latest broadside, outlined in this morning's Sydney Daily Telegraph, might just be the strongest yet.

"I disagree with John Buchanan all the time," said Warne. "I don't think he has made one good point in a long time, actually. Everything that I have read that he says, he is living in pixieland. It just shows what us players had to put up with. We had to listen to his verbal diarrhoea all the time. He is just a goose and has no idea and lacks common sense, and you can put all that in there."

Warne has never needed an excuse to lay into a man who was his diametric opposite during his time in charge of one of the most successful teams in Test history. He has argued that a coach is what you get to the ground in, and was critical of the boot camp arranged by Buchanan for the Australian squad ahead of the last winter's Ashes. When Australia lost to England in the finals of the one-day Commonwealth Bank Series in February, Warne accused Buchanan of overtraining the players.

This time, in answer to the question "what's the game's biggest issue", Warne replied: "The only issue I've got with cricket at the moment is that Australian people and administrators and ex-players and ex-coaches, a la John Buchanan, have got to stop the arrogant mindset that Australia is so much better than anybody else.

"Yes, Australia is the No1 country in the world, but all this bull about our players going to other countries and playing, what a lot of crap. There's going to be a time in the next two or three years when Australia is tested. Other countries will catch up and they will unearth someone, that's just the cycle."

Buchanan was unavailable for comment

 

[Black Diamond]

Yeah a decade of cricket for Australian test team is a waste.

Justin Langer flogs Waugh statistically and on the pitch. But it's ok, Mark Waugh was graceful.

 

[The_Reaper]

Langer's also done a great job adding some steel to WA.