List Mgmt. 4 Talls

[theGav56]

We are heading to the pointy end of our list changes for 2015; The Draft. It is always an exciting time. We are a bit higher up in the drafting process than I would have liked to have been, but it will give us a shot at some pretty decent talent, and looks like we may have some very good KPP options. There are 4 very good talls who may be available for us to choose from, although unlikely all will be there. They provide quite different options for the future, shaping as either forwards or backs, ruck/forwards etc. However all 4 seem to at least have the potential to be forwards. I think they are worth discussing separately from the general draft thread;

Peter Wright (VIC - KPF/Ruck)
Height: 203cm, Weight: 102kg, DOB: 08/09/1996
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Range: 3-20
Profile: Dominant key forward/ruckman.

Perhaps the least likely to be available to us. Is he too much a ruckman? Is that a good thing?

Sam Durdin (SA – KPD/KPF)
Height: 197cm, Weight: 89kg, DOB: 06/06/1996
Recruited from: West Adelaide
Range: 6-20
Profile: Promising key position player.

Much talk on the Geelong board about both Wright and Durdin, and is also perhaps going to be gone by our pick. Good skills and mobility, and seems a pretty sure bet as a defender, plus potential up forward.

Hugh Goddard (VIC – KPD/KPF)
Height: 196cm, Weight: 93kg, DOB: 24/08/1996
Recruited from: Geelong Falcons
Range: 6-20
Profile: Promising key position player.

Really wanted him before, but now that it seems quite possible that he may be available I am less keen. That is what reading too many Phantom Drafts does to you. He is a great option. Shapes as a defender who can be dominant and creative.

Reece McKenzie (VIC – KPF/Ruck)
Height: 196cm, Weight: 106kg, DOB: 28/03/1996
Recruited from: Northern Knights
Range: 20-50
Profile: Big, contested marking key forward.

Chris has described him as a basically the same as Apeness, and prefers us to look for a KPP with a point of difference (Durdin). Good advice probably. But the chance to draft a player who potentially can be a powerhouse forward may not come along again. In the Bigfooty 2014 Phantom Draft, Knightmare has nabbed him for the Pies at Pick 5. Is he just shaking up the thread, or is he a player worth taking earlier? If we took him, does a projected forward line of Apeness and McKenzie become too tall and inflexible?

There are other talls who are worth having in this discussion including Marchbank and Lamb. But I don't see them getting ahead of the 4 posted above.

* Player descriptions are from Knightmare's Phantom Draft.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmare-2014-phantom-draft.1081319/

 

[Docker82]

You've got McKenzie ranked as 20-50 yet I've seen Marchbank below 20 in almost every phantom draft I've seen. For me the other three are too good to pass on, otherwise we should select a mid with our first rounder and look at guys like Keitel etc at our second rounder.

 

[theGav56]

You've got McKenzie ranked as 20-50 yet I've seen Marchbank below 20 in almost every phantom draft I've seen. For me the other three are too good to pass on, otherwise we should select a mid with our first rounder and look at guys like Keitel etc at our second rounder.

The descriptions and rankings are from Knghtmare (should have acknowledged). Part of the point is that despite his ranking he took McKenzie at #5 as he seems him as the perfect replacement for Cloke in 3+ years, and therefore too important to not "reach" for.

None of the other KPF's such as Keitel project as potentially dominant forwards. More as handy role players, which works fine in the backline, but tends to fail miserably up forward.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

None of the other KPF's such as Keitel project as potentially dominant forwards. More as handy role players, which works fine in the backline, but tends to fail miserably up forward.

That point was what attracted me to Durdin; while he is described as absolutely a KPD, some of the people who have seen a lot of him have suggested that he was at least servicable up forward, whereas Goddard and co. less so. Of course i've not seen him so that could be complete shit.

Interesting that the hun has a mock draft with both Wright and Weller slipping past our pick. Seems to be contrary to a lot of others: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-in-peter-wright/story-fnp04d70-1227116889916

I agree with Docker82, only take the KPP with the first pick if they are genuinely too good to pass. I would hate for us to reach for McKenzie or someone when we have the KPPs in the system that we do (Apeness, Pearce, Smith), who have potential but are not looking like world beaters.

 

[eastfreo75]

You've got McKenzie ranked as 20-50 yet I've seen Marchbank below 20 in almost every phantom draft I've seen. For me the other three are too good to pass on, otherwise we should select a mid with our first rounder and look at guys like Keitel etc at our second rounder.

Totally agree. If we selected Marchbank then I would be ok with that.

 

[Ysaye]

Based on the limited footage of these guys, if Durdin was at our pick then I think they would probably be remiss not to take him - probably one of those few times you have best available fit with fits with positional needs. Hugh Goddard I think is also as safe a bet for this pick as any. Now, Mistress logic says that these two would go in the Top 10, but stranger things have happened, as some clubs may get excited about speedy players.

Does anyone think Wright is a bit more ruckman than forward? Nevertheless if he fell, I think we would consider.

Marchbank for me is probably not a KP player...but he is a good player and I would be happy for him to go at our pick as well.

Not sold on McKenzie with a pick that early - think that could be a bigfooty beat-up.

DeGoey and maybe Blakely and may be some of the speedsters may appeal (usual types sitting between 10-20)...but for me best available says that if Durdin, Goddard or Marchbank are there, the you would go with one of them.

What is more interesting is going to be that second pick and what they do with that?

 

[Tundrawolf]

Durdin offers a little more flexibility with his ability to play either end.

Having said that I'd be happy with any of the first 3 for our first pick.

 

[Kram]

hehe, cue the meltdown on here when 1 or more of these blokes are available at our first pick and we opt for a skinny flanker instead.

 

[theGav56]

That point was what attracted me to Durdin; while he is described as absolutely a KPD, some of the people who have seen a lot of him have suggested that he was at least servicable up forward, whereas Goddard and co. less so. Of course i've not seen him so that could be complete shit.

Interesting that the hun has a mock draft with both Wright and Weller slipping past our pick. Seems to be contrary to a lot of others: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-in-peter-wright/story-fnp04d70-1227116889916

I agree with Docker82, only take the KPP with the first pick if they are genuinely too good to pass. I would hate for us to reach for McKenzie or someone when we have the KPPs in the system that we do (Apeness, Pearce, Smith), who have potential but are not looking like world beaters.

I do agree on McKenzie. But how players are rated is a quite elastic as Geelong continually show with their selections.

Regarding Wright, he projects as very similar to Boyd to me. Genuine ruck potential, but more valuable as a forward prospect.

 

[theGav56]

hehe, cue the meltdown on here when 1 or more of these blokes are available at our first pick and we opt for a skinny flanker instead.

Yeah true. But the reality is that we have a pretty good pick in a draft which is perceived as a good one for talls. It may be a while before we have the same opportunity, and you can build a forward line around Wright.

But if the clubs before us eat up the talls, we could get a mid. In the end would be pretty happy to get Langford, Pickett, Cockatoo etc, and look for Keitel or McGovern later.

 

[malpaso]

Whomever we pick I want that player to play 5-10 games in 2015. It seems every other team gets that out of a first rounder except us. The best available strategy is fine with me along with a player that can have an impact in 2015.

 

[theGav56]

Whomever we pick I want that player to play 5-10 games in 2015. It seems every other team gets that out of a first rounder except us. The best available strategy is fine with me along with a player that can have an impact in 2015.

Unusual expectation; is your tongue in your cheek? Did you want Apeness to play more games? Was he ready? I am hoping he plays that this coming season. How would you juggle getting games into Taberner, Apeness and say Wright/Durdin, A Pearce, Smith?

 

[Lach72]

Wright looks a bit...lumbering?

 

[theGav56]

Wright looks a bit...lumbering?

So does Hawkins. But that is the huge advantage Durdin has over Wright. Mobility. And Durdin is still a big boy.

 

[Lach72]

So does Hawkins. But that is the huge advantage Durdin has over Wright. Mobility. And Durdin is still a big boy.

Yeah. Wright strikes me as a straight lines player. I'm not sure there's an advantage in that for us.

 

[rodney hoo]

I do agree on McKenzie. But how players are rated is a quite elastic as Geelong continually show with their selections.

Regarding Wright, he projects as very similar to Boyd to me. Genuine ruck potential, but more valuable as a forward prospect.

Boyd was pour in the ruc last year in afl & neafl, only came into Giants once they got injuries.

 

[Clems Knee]

Whomever we pick I want that player to play 5-10 games in 2015. It seems every other team gets that out of a first rounder except us. The best available strategy is fine with me along with a player that can have an impact in 2015.

Well, except Hawthorn, the most successful club of the modern era.

 

[rodney hoo]

Well, except Hawthorn, the most successful club of the modern era.

Well, except Hawthorn, the most successful club of the modern era.

You can add sydney, Geelong to that list. They are also very successful .

 

[E Shed]

If all the talls are gone by ours that will mean some fantastic mids are available. Should get a good player no matter what.

 

[Freo Dr]

I would consider Wright but still think if he falls to our pick it would be crazy to pass on Durdin. His mobility and ability to take contested marks at the highest point is really a feature for his height. He reminds me of a young McPharlin TBH and I think could also be handy forward. Also being a SA boy reckon we would have less go home factor versus Wright or Goddard. If both are gone then I guess Goddard but if all three are gone then we will go best midfielder type. RTB was saying basically this the other day - we will go tall but not reach if the best available is clearly a mid.

 

[Docker82]

Our first rounder doesn't have to play next year. A first year player is unlikely to be the difference between winning a premiership and not doing so. It has happened in the past but the ratio isn't exactly high. I'm happy just to get a 150 game player who's a gun in the long run. In 2007 adelaide drafted a kid called Patrick Dangerfield. He did not play a game in 2008. He is now probably the best player to come out of that draft. Different circumstances but judge a player after five years not one.

To add to that there's been plenty of non first rounders to make an impact in their first year.

 

[nurries]

Well, except Hawthorn, the most successful club of the modern era.

And yes like us their first round picks have been quite late. I am sure if we had picks in the top 10 they would play more games in their first season ala Steve Hill and Morabito

 

[Taylor]

Durdin is much lighter than Wright, I'm not surprised he looks more mobile.

How will he be with 16kg extra on him?

 

[Halfbaked]

I remember Lloyd saying on the radio a few weeks ago that unless a stand out tall was still around at 13 they would be taking a mid. He said the club had invested in talls in the last two drafts were very happy with what they had. He even named several players.

 

[eastfreo75]

The thing with talls, is that their are more misses than hits. Midfielders and Flankers you can always get. We need to replacement Johnson, McPharlin, Pavlich, and Samdilands in the next 1-3 years. Need to stockpile bigs as only a few will make it.