Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 14: Never failed a test I didn’t take

[ShanDog]

This is Part 14 of this thread.

Part 15 is here:

Play Nice - 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 15: "Like magic, it will disappear."

Mod Notice The level of vitriol and frankly toxic culture in this thread is getting out of hand. As such, the thread will be monitored actively for posters who drag down the quality of posting for all others, and they will have their access to the thread removed. Further, reference to TDS...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Maggie5]

I agree. Why should it be someone’s fault?

People in this thread are definitely look for a scapegoat.

Who in Australia said it was just the flu and it will go away? Who in Australia said once the warmer weather comes along it won't be an issue? Who in Australia both Federal and State didn't repeat the same message, "stay at home' in the early stages?

No-one is looking for a scapegoat it is is quite obvious who didn't take it seriously and didn't immediately go into action.

 

[Balls In]

So when white people go to a Trump political rally he calls it a "freedom of speech" issue

But when black people go to a BLM political rally Trump calls them "thugs and criminals"

The differentiator is the criminal behaviour on display at BLM riots?

 

[Maggie5]

The other scary thing is the cost. Estimated that the average hospital stay in the States will leave you with a $30,000 bill. 100 if you’re ventilated. Fine for those with insurance but this is going to break a lot of people, even if they recover.

And what is the Trump administration doing about medical costs? Well they are at the Supreme Court dismantling the Affordable Care Act, leaving 20 million with out insurance if the verdict falls their way.

So much for the Repeal and Replace policy mantra that Trump sprouted 4 years ago. Yes four years ago and still nothing to replace it...

 

[madmug]

Interesting point of view
Was it racial profilingor simply geographically profiling?

Is it Scott Morrison’s fault that Victoria has a massive recent spike in the virus or is it the local state leader Daniel Andrews?

Does the buck stop with Morrison in Aus as well or is there something about the United States that’s different where federal government must control everything?

Cheers

The difference is that the politicians here generally worked together, The Federal leaders led the states in a single emergency 'cabinet'. The other main difference is that we listened to the scientists & let them do a lot of the talking. Also the leader didn't spruik stupid shyte about weird & unresearched cures.

The other difference is the death toll of some 126,000+ in the US & rapidly increasing, V 104 in Australia, & stable.

The Lack of US Federal leadership & not listening to the scientists is stark.

Perhaps our politics isn't quite so divided & damaged, plus we have better social service systems to coordinate community support.

 

[Hank Scorpion]

Country recording daily records of Covid cases amidst near-exponential growth in dozens of states.

Bunker Boy meanwhile, tackling the BIG issues - a few status being knocked over.

 

[Crankitup]

Huh? What's the dodge?

You complained about Owens prevaricating on an issue she has admitted she knows little about. That was a live, one on one interview situation. Here you are with much more time than she had at her disposal to consider your reply and on top of that the resources of the whole internet at your fingertips. In spite of that you prevaricated more than her! However, it seems now that your prevaricating is finally at an end since you have linked to a site which states in the first sentence of it's text, a figure you obviously agree with - 97% and links to two papers used to justify that figure. The problem is those two papers despite having been corrected after mistakes were pointed out to the authors, still remain seriously flawed.

This is how David Legates and his co-authors described the Cook paper.

They reviewed the actual papers used by Cook and found that only 0.3% of the 11,944 abstracts and 1.6% of the smaller sample that excluded those papers expressing no opinion endorsed man-made global warming as they defined it. Remarkably, they found that Cook and his assistants had themselves marked only 64 papers—or 0.5% of the 11,944 they said they had reviewed—as explicitly stating that recent warming was mostly man-made. Yet they stated, both in the paper itself and subsequently, that they had found a “97% consensus” explicitly stating that recent warming was mostly man-made.

It appears that Cook and his co-authors manipulated the data to present an altogether untrue narrative of overwhelming support for catastrophic human-caused warming. Note that the official “consensus” position is supported by just 0.3% of the 11,944 papers reviewed!

One of the scientists whose paper he miscategorised said Cook's 'study' was created as a propaganda campaign not a scientific study and is shown to be statistically worthless. What you probably also don't realise is that Cooks website got hacked and the propaganda campaign was exposed. This is why I don't trust his Skeptical Science website.

Here is an example of a paper miscategorised by Cook in his '97% Consensus' study. See this for an adundance of other examples.

Estimating future sea level changes from past records

In the last 5000 years, global mean sea level has been dominated by the redistribution of water masses over the globe. In the last 300 years, sea leve…

www.sciencedirect.com

Dr. Morner, your paper 'Estimating future sea level changes from past records' is categorized by Cook et al. (2013) as having; "No Position on AGW".

Is this an accurate representation of your paper?

Morner: "Certainly not correct and certainly misleading. The paper is strongly against AGW, and documents its absence in the sea level observational facts. Also, it invalidates the mode of sea level handling by the IPCC."

Cook's co-author was Nuccitelli who writes for the Guardian as well as working for Cook on his Skeptical Science website and collaborating with him on bogus studies. His main job though is (paradoxically) in the oil & gas sector. He gets quite tetchy if you ask him about it.

Patrick Michaels (a climate scientist) says this about Nuccitelli - "Mr. Nuccitelli, as a contributor to Skeptical Science—a website dedicated to trying to bolster the alarmist claims of human-caused climate change—realizes that it is in his best interest to try to obliterate evidence which paints a less than alarming picture of our climate future."

I should now move onto the problems with Oreskes paper and concepts like groupthink, informational cascade and 'following the herd' but this post is long enough already. The short story is this. You criticised Owens for prevaricating and dismissing out of hand the "consensus" but pressed to justify and quantify that consensus, you responded with prevarication yourself, which to me seems a tad hypocritical.

Any discussion on the science involved in AGW in general should be carried out in the appropriate thread. If you make a post there I will reply to it.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Yep. Never struck me previously that Manhattan was not conducive to the formulation of ideas, or lacked dynamism.

Started campaigning in 1999. 42 months in office. 3 months to prepare for his re-election campaign rally. Unable to even come up with a few ‘motherhood statements’.

All praise to you, stout yeoman, for deigning to address what "substance" there even was in that word salad.

Quite incredible, that the man who presumes to be worthy of re-electing into arguably the most powerful office in the world, when asked a simple, entirely reasonable question - that he can expect to be asked hundreds of times between now and Nov 3rd - by probably his most sympathetic barracker on what till recently was far and away his most sympathetic network, is signally incapable of answering even that.

And still there are Kool-Aid drinkers on the Big Footy forum in faraway Australia who will hotly defend him, and yet have repeatedly shown themselves incapable of articulating why they so hotly defend so inarticulate and pathetic a grub.

(Having said that, I am reading a book on delusion by an American psychologist right now, and it is explaining a lot about why people cling to falsehoods and utilise lame defense mechanisms in the face of unarguable real-world evidence contradicting their mindset.)

 

[BigTacoBandit]

The irony of Ivanka talking about the US government implementing a skills based hiring policy.

 

[Satan]

The irony of Ivanka talking about the US government implementing a skills based hiring policy.
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#nepotismbarbie

 

[Satan]

Country recording daily records of Covid cases amidst near-exponential growth in dozens of states.

Bunker Boy meanwhile, tackling the BIG issues - a few status being knocked over.

Confederate Statues Were Built To Further A 'White Supremacist Future'

President Trump hasn't mentioned it as he's defended the memorabilia over the past week, but historians say the statues were originally built to send a clear message to black Americans.

www.npr.org

 

[Maggie5]

The differentiator is the criminal behaviour on display at BLM riots?

This is also you with your every post.

 

[Satan]

WASHINGTON — American intelligence officials have concluded that a Russian military intelligence unit secretly offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing coalition forces in Afghanistan — including targeting American troops — amid the peace talks to end the long-running war there, according to officials briefed on the matter.

The United States concluded months ago that the Russian unit, which has been linked to assassination attempts and other covert operations in Europe intended to destabilize the West or take revenge on turncoats, had covertly offered rewards for successful attacks last year.

Islamist militants, or armed criminal elements closely associated with them, are believed to have collected some bounty money, the officials said. Twenty Americans were killed in combat in Afghanistan in 2019, but it was not clear which killings were under suspicion.

The intelligence finding was briefed to President Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March, the officials said. Officials developed a menu of potential options — starting with making a diplomatic complaint to Moscow and a demand that it stop, along with an escalating series of sanctions and other possible responses, but the White House has yet to authorize any step, the officials said.

 

[Crankitup]

Surely a rhetorical question.
The Australian public have handled it well with good messaging and leadership at State and Federal level.

I can’t comment about US leadership at state level, maybe you can provide more?

Trumps leadership on the issue has been sh1t.

To be fair Australia has been very lucky mainly because of the bushfires which saw to it that tourist numbers fell off a cliff at just the right time. Compare that to the US. From the time of the first reported case in China to the 29th of January when Trump closed the US border to anyone coming from China, 430,000 people flew to the US from China. Ten's of thousands of them involved in celebrating Chinese New Year celebrations on 25/1 in New York and San Francisco and encouraged to do so by by local authorities and Nancy Pelosi.

The U.S. closed their border to China before we did but it was too late, the damage had already been done.

 

[magpie_marty]

WASHINGTON — American intelligence officials have concluded that a Russian military intelligence unit secretly offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing coalition forces in Afghanistan — including targeting American troops — amid the peace talks to end the long-running war there, according to officials briefed on the matter.

The United States concluded months ago that the Russian unit, which has been linked to assassination attempts and other covert operations in Europe intended to destabilize the West or take revenge on turncoats, had covertly offered rewards for successful attacks last year.

Islamist militants, or armed criminal elements closely associated with them, are believed to have collected some bounty money, the officials said. Twenty Americans were killed in combat in Afghanistan in 2019, but it was not clear which killings were under suspicion.

The intelligence finding was briefed to President Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March, the officials said. Officials developed a menu of potential options — starting with making a diplomatic complaint to Moscow and a demand that it stop, along with an escalating series of sanctions and other possible responses, but the White House has yet to authorize any step, the officials said.

Wow and Tя☭mp want's Russia back into the G7.

 

[bourbons]

The irony of Ivanka talking about the US government implementing a skills based hiring policy.
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If there's one thing the Trumps do well, it's irony. "Be best", cheers for that Melania

Can't wait for Trump Jnr's wildlife foundation.

 

[bourbons]

Aaaaahahaha what the actual ****



'Murica!

 

[Maggie5]

The U.S. closed their border to China before we did but it was too late, the damage had already been done.

You still going with this?
Not the visitors still coming in from Europe and other places especially to New York?
Even when he closed visitors from Europe he excluded England and Ireland.
Nah, EPIC FAIL.

 

[Prince Barry]

I find it hilarious that trumpf supporters will quite happily follow trumpf deeper into the rabbit hole of incompetence, corruption and racism without a second thought.
First you wanted a wall and muslims to be put on an ID databank , now you're ok with detroying pillars of democracy, killing people with a virus , racist slurs like 'kungflu', drinking hydroxychlorine, denigrating females, praising confederate statues, corruption, roginga camps and foreign interferance inva democracy.
You wanted to be a little bit racist and insular and you woke up a full blown far-right neo-nazi.How sad.

 

[magpie_marty]

To be fair Australia has been very lucky mainly because of the bushfires which saw to it that tourist numbers fell off a cliff at just the right time. Compare that to the US. From the time of the first reported case in China to the 29th of January when Trump closed the US border to anyone coming from China, 430,000 people flew to the US from China. Ten's of thousands of them involved in celebrating Chinese New Year celebrations on 25/1 in New York and San Francisco and encouraged to do so by by local authorities and Nancy Pelosi.

The U.S. closed their border to China before we did but it was too late, the damage had already been done.

And closing travel from the EU in March

 

[Crankitup]

You still going with this?
Not the visitors still coming in from Europe and other places especially to New York?
Even when he closed visitors from Europe he excluded England and Ireland.
Nah, EPIC FAIL.

Your argument would make sense if the first cases in the US came in late Feb or in March but the first US cases were in January and came before the first cases in Europe. The 430,000 visitors from China set up the beachhead for community transmission.

 

[Deliverance]

To be fair Australia has been very lucky mainly because of the bushfires which saw to it that tourist numbers fell off a cliff at just the right time. Compare that to the US. From the time of the first reported case in China to the 29th of January when Trump closed the US border to anyone coming from China, 430,000 people flew to the US from China. Ten's of thousands of them involved in celebrating Chinese New Year celebrations on 25/1 in New York and San Francisco and encouraged to do so by by local authorities and Nancy Pelosi.

The U.S. closed their border to China before we did but it was too late, the damage had already been done.

You know most major US airlines announced route closures from China before Trump did right? His announcement was purely ceremonial.

 

[magpie_marty]

You know most major US airlines announced route closures from China before Trump did right? His announcement was purely ceremonial.

And people returning and crammed into airports and not tested,then again they had failed testing back then due to Obama.

 

[Maggie5]

Your argument would make sense if the first cases in the US came in late Feb or in March but the first US cases were in January and came before the first cases in Europe. The 430,000 visitors from China set up the beachhead for community transmission.

This is a non answer, didn't address any of my points, still harping about border closure from China.

Just more Spin.

 

[Crankitup]

You know most major US airlines announced route closures from China before Trump did right? His announcement was purely ceremonial.

Most? I thought only Delta did. What is your source?

 

[Financialpanther]

You know most major US airlines announced route closures from China before Trump did right? His announcement was purely ceremonial.

And a lack of quarantine for returning Americans - made what should have been a good defence to become a sieve like strategy.