Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[Wallace52]

You've read the article so you are aware there's legal reasons why the woman held hostage from the neighbouring property can't be named?

Ok, I don’t know what the legal reasons are and I have not read the article for a few weeks, but I know the substance of the story. Will go back and edit name.

I have taken the name out and described the person as “an elderly woman” as per previous media reporting on the incident.

IMO

My original point was that the woman at the property adjacent to Oak Park had 16 guns in her house.

That’s my point.

 

[Kurve]

Ok, I don’t know what the legal reasons are and I have not read the article for a few weeks, but I know the substance of the story. Will go back and edit name.

I have taken the name out and described the person as “an elderly woman” as per previous media reporting on the incident.

IMO

My original point was that the woman at the property adjacent to Oak Park had 16 guns in her house.

That’s my point.

Please don't repeat her name again in this thread in relation to the disappearance of Gus.

I come from the country, having 16 guns on the property, many likely passed down from generation to generation on a station that big, wouldn't be unusual.

 

[Kurve]

She was abducted for approx. 12 hours. See the photo of the man in the neck brace? He was hit by the perpetrators car, after the guy killed a policeman, before he held <the woman> hostage and then turned a gun on himself, and he died.

It was sixteen years ago, it was an adult hostage situation. She wasn't removed from the property and didn't go missing, it might be easy to confuse the terms but there was no abduction.

 

[Wallace52]

It was sixteen years ago, it was an adult hostage situation. She wasn't removed from the property and didn't go missing, it might be easy to confuse the terms but there was no abduction.

I’ve just changed the word “abducted” to “held hostage”.

The ABC news article said

“He had bound and assaulted an elderly resident inside the house.”

Coroner probes siege shooting death

The coroner will examine whether any system failure led to a parolee committing a series of violent crimes before he shot himself in a siege.

www.abc.net.au

The coroner’s recommendations in that inquest are scathing of law enforcement and of the justice system and parole system.

I’m sure SAPOL don’t want to embarrass themselves again. Gosh, even the man’s mother apologised to the victims family and attempted to sue SA Gov for letting her own son out on parole when he was too dangerous to be in the community.

IMO

 

[Cataholic]

Please don't repeat her name again in this thread in relation to the disappearance of Gus.

I come from the country, having 16 guns on the property, many likely passed down from generation to generation on a station that big, wouldn't be unusual.

16 seems a lot for a small household.

A pump action shotgun requires a higher licence in its own right too, doesn't it?

 

[Curious Clues]

I sure do.

The dark past haunting town where Gus Lamont vanished: JONICA BRAY

When news first broke of Gus's mysterious disappearance, no photos were released and details of the family's identity and dynamics were kept tightly under wraps - now I know why.

www.dailymail.co.uk

She was held hostage in her house for approx. 12 hours. See the photo of the man in the neck brace? He was hit by the perpetrators car, after the guy killed a policeman, before he held <the woman> hostage and then turned a gun on himself, and he died.

The perp was out on bail at the time. His name was Shane Andrew Robinson. This is a news article from his coronial inquest.

“The coroner will examine whether any system failure led to a parolee committing a series of violent crimes before he shot himself in a siege.

An inquest heard Shane Andrew Robinson, 32, shot himself in the head at Bulyninnie homestead near Yunta in South Australia in 2009.

He had bound and assaulted an elderly resident inside the house.

The court heard Robinson breached his parole conditions several times, but was released on bail.

It heard Robinson stabbed a police officer on the Barrier Highway, then stole the police car and ran over a pedestrian before he arrived at the homestead.”

Coroner probes siege shooting death

The coroner will examine whether any system failure led to a parolee committing a series of violent crimes before he shot himself in a siege.

www.abc.net.au

Very embarrassing for the SA Government.

Have attached map which is published by SA Government showing the proximity of Bullyaninnie to Oak Park.

I’ve also attached a photo of “Crutching 2024” at Bullyaninnie Station.

This is the ABN for Bullyaninnie Station. You can see who owns it.

Historical details for ABN 19 894 953 451 | ABN Lookup

abr.business.gov.au

Cool, thanks for that. Looks like Merino’s

 

[Wallace52]

Was someone due to visit was he meant to come to adelaide ? Were there any scheduled social appointments or play dates? Does that date have any religious meaning ?

All great questions! And I know the answer to zero of those questions!

Ah, if only we had a family calendar so that we could check.

IMO

 

[Wallace52]

Cool, thanks for that. Looks like Merino’s

I am not a sheep guy, I just know that sheep and cows are different farm animals lol. So thank you!!

 

[Curious Clues]

I am not a sheep guy, I just know that sheep and cows are different farm animals lol. So thank you!!

Looks like Oak Park Station are Merino’s too, wool and meat sheep, if anyone’s interested.

 

[31550]

Please don't repeat her name again in this thread in relation to the disappearance of Gus.

I come from the country, having 16 guns on the property, many likely passed down from generation to generation on a station that big, wouldn't be unusual.

Good to hear people took the firearm legislation reforms of 2003
(post Port Arthur massacre) seriously.

 

[Kurve]

Good to hear people took the firearm legislation reforms of 2003
(post Port Arthur massacre) seriously.

You're making assumptions to cast a negative light.

You have no idea what kind of firearms they were or whether they were all even functional.

 

[winyhill]

They have probably looked for tracks, clothing, signs of life or human activity. So, visual search only - ground search, dam search and perhaps some sniffer dogs.

They haven't AFAIK explicitly looked for a dead body or blood evidence. So AFAIK they haven't used cadaver dogs. They haven't examined all the buildings or vehicles or points of interest with luminol to find blood traces.

They are certainly explicitly looking for a dead body now. Probably always looking at that possibility. But about 4 days into the search SAPOL announced the search had changed to a body retrieval search, no longer searching for a lost child.

They do. Our laws apply to anyone who publishes content available in Australia. It might be difficult to prosecute if it happens, but communication carriers are obligated to comply or can end having licences revoked and incur heavy penalties.

Really only applies to content hosted in Australia. Or in a country that has some legal agreement with Australia to enforce our laws. That excludes the United States as our government found out when they tried to censor what X was posting in the United States.

I think the Indigenous tracker has picked up something. What that is, who knows, but he said he will tell Gus’s story one day.

I think more that English is not his first language and so his choice of phrasing is different to a native English speaker.

 

[winyhill]

A pump action shotgun requires a higher licence in its own right too, doesn't it?

It has been corrected many times on here, but still this false information being published. It is NOT a pump action shotgun, it is a lever action.
A lever action requires a basic firearms licence.
Can you please edit your post to correct?

 

[31550]

Really only applies to content hosted in Australia. Or in a country that has some legal agreement with Australia to enforce our laws. That excludes the United States as our government found out when they tried to censor what X was posting in the United States.

It is true that authorities in Australia can only enforce suppression orders by binding domestic media and ISPs They cannot stop overseas outlets from publishing online. But they do limit Australian access and punish local breaches. Australian authorities also can and do use indirect pressure to force media organisations or foreign platforms to comply. For instance, if a foreign media outlet has offices, staff or assets in Australia, as many do, they can be prosecuted for contempt. This means most foreign media organisations will self-censor. Australian courts can also order local ISPs to block (Australian) access to entire sites or domains found to contain suppressed content - this has the effect of hitting the media outlet in the hip pocket as they can't generate revenue in Australia, so they are indirectly pressured to comply.

A good example is the Archbishop Pell case.

 

[Cataholic]

It has been corrected many times on here, but still this false information being published. It is NOT a pump action shotgun, it is a lever action.
A lever action requires a basic firearms licence.
Can you please edit your post to correct?

I was going off the description given by the Daily Mail and wasn't aware that had been disputed.

 

[Underarrest_]

I think more that English is not his first language and so his choice of phrasing is different to a native English speaker.

He knows the meaning of story, something Indigenous people have told through their connection of the land for thousands of years.
He would know more than anyone was found or not found on the land.
If the ex SES worker can tell his story based on what he observed, then he might also have his own story to tell.

 

[31550]

They are certainly explicitly looking for a dead body now. Probably always looking at that possibility. But about 4 days into the search SAPOL announced the search had changed to a body retrieval search, no longer searching for a lost child.

Yes they said that. I was questioning whether the body retrieval search methods assumed he had died after wandering off, or whether they included other possibilities, such as dying on the property under other circumstances and then being concealed.
There are no reports of cadaver dogs being deployed. No reports of buildings and vehicles being searched for blood or DNA or other forensic evidence (e.g. shotgun pellets).
So while they are looking for a body, it seems they are still accepting the 'wandered off' narrative exclusively.

 

[Kurve]

Daily Mail reported there were 'some pigs' around Yunta. That surprised me a bit because on any sign of wild pigs on a sheep station and they'd be hunted down and shot.

Here, local Jack O'Connell says there are no pigs or wild dogs.

 

[Underarrest_]

Daily Mail reported there were 'some pigs' around Yunta. That surprised me a bit because on any sign of wild pigs on a sheep station and they'd be hunted down and shot.

Here, local Jack O'Connell says there are no pigs or wild dogs.

If O’Connell didn’t see any wild animals on the property in the 90 hours he was there, other’s might support there were no wild animals at the time of Gus’s disappearance.

 

[Kurve]

If O’Connell didn’t see any wild animals on the property in the 90 hours he was there, other’s might support there were no wild animals at the time of Gus’s disappearance.

I think it's more about no evidence of pig tracks and scat, not necessarily an actual sighting of wild pigs. They don't tread lightly and there's never just one of them.

 

[Underarrest_]

I think it's more about no evidence of pig tracks and scat, not necessarily an actual sighting of wild pigs. They don't tread lightly and there's never just one of them.

That’s what I mean, others might support there were no tracks from pigs or other animals at that time.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Given the article is paywalled and not everybody here can view it, would the following be correct?

It describes a 2009 hostage incident at Bullyaninnie Station involving an unnamed 75-year-old woman, whose identity and connection to Gus Lamont's family (the Murrays) are withheld "for legal reasons."

I think it's very unlikely the two incidents are directly connected. But it's possible the Murrays were emotionally affected by what happened at Bullyaninnie, which has impacted their behaviour since Gus disappeared.

Also, the coroner was scathing of the actions of the South Australian police around the Bullyaninnie incident, citing a string of failures. With the remoteness of the location and the media being told to stay away it's hard to know if SA police are acting competently in the Gus case.

 

[31550]

But it's possible the Murrays were emotionally affected by what happened at Bullyaninnie, which has impacted their behaviour since Gus disappeared.

Maybe it affected their behaviour before he disappeared, or when he disappeared?

 

[MP_]

I think it's more about no evidence of pig tracks and scat, not necessarily an actual sighting of wild pigs. They don't tread lightly and there's never just one of them.

Geez it really makes you sick in the stomach when you think about what could have potentially happened to poor Gus.

 

[Percel]

Yep and percel you are right with what you said and I want to be more positive but there is something just not right with this case (if I can call it that)

not a stick of evidence , indigenous tracker coming up empty and experienced ses Line workers saying he’s not there

Deputy commissioner stating that sapol returned to oak park to drain the dam out of a “abundance of caution “ tells me they really have no idea either

No sign of him there
No answer of independent last citing
Remote location
Weird family dynamic

Poor gus

Totally, as the nothing burger of information gets bigger, it beggars belief they don't have something to work with.

I'm all for OP SEC where there is highly sensitive information that has potential to obstruct the investigation, but gee its quiet