Society/Culture A basic income for citizens.

[Power Raid]

By that time Facebook or Google or someone will have convinced us to carry miniature cameras around, recording every minute of our day.

Bookmark it.

when I read 1984, I thought George was referring to the past and could help but think about the WW1, WW2 and Soviet era. The book is more relevant today than ever.

 

[Scotland]

This thread has unexpectedly delivered.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

This thread has unexpectedly delivered.

The rarest of SRP threads

 

[The Edukator]

Am I the only one who didn't line 1984?

 

[Chief]

Am I the only one who didn't line 1984?

I think so.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Am I the only one who didn't line 1984?

Gotta take it from the point of view that Orwell was a socialist and former communist who fought alongside anarchists against fascism.

Became disenchanted with the 'party' style communism of the russians and saw authoritarianism and control as the biggest threat.

A lot of people think he was criticising communism with 1984 and Animal Farm, but he was actually criticising authoritarian states, in particular Stalin with Animal Farm but also where he saw the USA and the Anglosphere heading in 1984.

 

[Seeds]

Gotta take it from the point of view that Orwell was a socialist and former communist who fought alongside anarchists against fascism.

Became disenchanted with the 'party' style communism of the russians and saw authoritarianism and control as the biggest threat.

A lot of people think he was criticising communism with 1984 and Animal Farm, but he was actually criticising authoritarian states, in particular Stalin with Animal Farm but also where he saw the USA and the Anglosphere heading in 1984.

Problem is you can't have socialism without authoritarianism.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Problem is you can't have socialism without authoritarianism.

Thats completely incorrect.

 

[Power Raid]

Problem is you can't have socialism without authoritarianism.

I think we all like the sound of socialism but the reality isn't that nice or sustainable. I think in time with a greater reliance on technology rather than individual effort it may be more feasible.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

I think we all like the sound of socialism but the reality isn't that nice or sustainable. I think in time with a greater reliance on technology rather than individual effort it may be more feasible.

We have plenty of socialism in Australia. The Conservatives admitted defeat on that front about 70 years ago.

 

[Power Raid]

We have plenty of socialism in Australia. The Conservatives admitted defeat on that front about 70 years ago.

Personally I think we have a good balance between socialism and capitalism here in Oz

Social welfare is something most Australians value. To keep it and keep it relevant we will need change. By that stripping government silo mentality is required. Social welfare, employment, judicial and health needs to be one portfolio. To achieve this we need decentralisation, local solutions and a change of mindset.

 

[Scotland]

The problem with any system is human nature.

How many people in Australia have been eligible for a govt payment but decided not to take it because they didn't really need it?

 

[Max zero]

well that depends we are fast approaching the limit on what mechanical computers can do, it comes down to the physical restrictions. Basically the majority of our increased speed in computing comes from the CPU, the speeds we achieve are based on the speed of light, by increasing the number of transistors in an area we increase computation power giving us our increasing speeds.

in order to do this we must reduce the size of the transistors on the board as increasing the size of the board will be off set by the increased area light needs to travel to.

this is what gave us moores law, the idea that about every two years we could fit double the amount of transistors on the same size chip, by reducing their size. Which proved true for about 20 years, but today its slowing down. this is because we are approaching the physical limit on reducing transistor size. so far all estimates are that transistors smaller then 5nm just wont work (i think currently we are at 14nm)

we can still improve CPU speeds in other ways (this is why multi core CPU's are a thing now, a single core could has the same speeds as a 4 core, but heat build up ****s up performance, multi-cores allow each core to cycle better, improving performance and speeds over a longer period of time) but they have all have limited long term growth.

the only way we can vastly improve mechanical computers at this stage is to find a new material to make transistors out of, because then we can lower the voltage (silicon transistors need a certain amount of voltage work correctly)

and sadly quantum computers are not the answer, but thats a story for another post.

People say Moore's law is slowing down but the fact is it still has not been broken.

When they were building rooms full of vaccum tubes I'm sure someone said the exact thing you are saying now.

It's amazing how often we seem to come through with something when we seem to be at an apparent dead end.

 

[Max zero]

By that time Facebook or Google or someone will have convinced us to carry miniature cameras around, recording every minute of our day.

Bookmark it.

The sad thing is that it does not even require convincing. People CHOOSE to document every facet of their lives online because they want to.

I personally struggle to see the benefit of social media.

 

[Max zero]

The problem with any system is human nature.

How many people in Australia have been eligible for a govt payment but decided not to take it because they didn't really need it?

I for one welcome our future robot overlords.

 

[Seeds]

Thats completely incorrect.

Socialism involves fixing prices of goods and services (whether explicit or implicitly). You cant fix prices of goods in the long term without either forcing people to do certain jobs against their wishes and sell things at a loss. Only an authoritarian government can force people to do those things.

 

[Seeds]

The problem with any system is human nature.

How many people in Australia have been eligible for a govt payment but decided not to take it because they didn't really need it?

Human nature is not a problem. Systems need to fit in with human nature.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Socialism involves fixing prices of goods and services (whether explicit or implicitly). You cant fix prices of goods in the long term without either forcing people to do certain jobs against their wishes and sell things at a loss. Only an authoritarian government can force people to do those things.

This is again completely incorrect

 

[Scotland]

Human nature is not a problem. Systems need to fit in with human nature.

Human nature is not a problem. Righto.

 

[Run n Spread]

The problem with any system is human nature.

How many people in Australia have been eligible for a govt payment but decided not to take it because they didn't really need it?

In Australia???? Many people. Many many people. Charity a hand out for generations was seen as the Australian equivalent as shame.

But when people now are awake to how viciously they have been fu*&& over and how minimally they are valued in society they probably figure why not?

We are at an interesting point in the country's history. I am curious where the next generation lead and the direction they take once they gain the necessary experience and knowledge. And this current cohort are flushed down the toilet of mediocrity, stupidity and greed they belong.

 

[Total Power]

Personally I think we have a good balance between socialism and capitalism here in Oz

Social welfare is something most Australians value. To keep it and keep it relevant we will need change. By that stripping government silo mentality is required. Social welfare, employment, judicial and health needs to be one portfolio. To achieve this we need decentralisation, local solutions and a change of mindset.

I agree, people are looking at the social programs and think wow thats socialist..but its not. What makes these social programs possible? Look at the top 5 countries in the economic freedom index, they all have free markets with good social program.

http://www.heritage.org/index/country/australia

Economic Freedom Snapshot

• 2016 Economic Freedom Score: 80.3 (down 1.1 points)
• Economic Freedom Status: Free
• Global Ranking: 5th
• Regional Ranking: 4th in the Asia–Pacific Region
• Notable Successes: Rule of Law, Open Markets,?and Regulatory Efficiency
• Concerns: Fiscal Freedom and Government Spending
• Overall Score Change Since 2012: –2.8

With a 1.8 percent average tariff rate, low non-tariff barriers, and few limits on foreign investment, Australia has some of the world’s most open trade and investment policies. The government screens large foreign investments. The well-developed financial sector is highly competitive and sound; all banks are privately owned. Since late 2010, banking reforms have fostered greater transparency and competition.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

People say Moore's law is slowing down but the fact is it still has not been broken.

When they were building rooms full of vaccum tubes I'm sure someone said the exact thing you are saying now.

It's amazing how often we seem to come through with something when we seem to be at an apparent dead end.

seems you've fallen for some marketing spin: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/203490-moores-law-is-dead-long-live-moores-law
we haven't met the conditions of moores law for quite sometime.

 

[Max zero]

seems you've fallen for some marketing spin: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/203490-moores-law-is-dead-long-live-moores-law
we haven't met the conditions of moores law for quite sometime.

Bookmarked. See you in 10 years.

 

[Seeds]

This is again completely incorrect

No its not. Unless you are confusing socialism with capitalism? By its very definition socialism involves fixing prices.

 

[Seeds]

Human nature is not a problem. Righto.

Human systems are designed for humans and therefore they need to be designed for human nature. If the system doesn't fit with human nature its the system that is the problem, not human nature.