Where is the value in the investment? Its not a sponsorship.
A Third Team In Sydney - It's Only a Matter Of Time !!
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Where is the value in the investment? Its not a sponsorship.
The NZHERALD article indicates a change. The Kiwis have now possibly amended the number of Aussie teams -From two to four.1. Yes, male GR RU is in significant decline in NSW, ACT, & Qld.
It appears there will be further major cutbacks in spending on GR RU there- which will have a further negative impact on their regd. male contact player nos. Many other areas will, by necessity, also have much reduced funding.
This confirms the views by the ABC's R.Hinds (linked post 2877 below), that RU & soccer will both have a far greater % cut in their post covid funding from broadcasters/sponsors etc. (cf AFL & NRL % cuts in funding).
The AFL claims its new Rights' deals have been cut by c.12-13%, & the NRL new Rights' deals were cut c. double the AFL cuts.
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Yeah, I think I am with you all the way up to the AFL clubs literally having no means to get match practice into their reserve players. Well, I don't believe in AFL reserve players but obviously it is not good for players not selected not playing any football. I did not not see a problem with...www.bigfooty.com
It can be expected, therefore, both the AFL & NRL will capitalise, in NSW, ACT, & Qld., on RU's & FFA's financial stress.
The next domestic Aust. RU comp. (whatever it might be), replacing Super Rugby, is likely to receive only c. $10m pa Rights' deal by Foxtel (the only broadcaster interested in it- $10m pa doesn't include Wallabies' games).
The Australian J. O' Halloran 15.7
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(Go to Sports Industry twitter 15.7- then click on "The Australian. Rugby Australia Domestic TV Deal Worth No More Than $10m)
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2. NZ Herald 17.7
In discussions for the new comp. to replace Super Rugby, NZ believes there should be only 2 Aust. teams playing the 5 NZ teams- as Aust. only has sufficient talent to field 2 competitive RU teams.
If this eventuates (unlikely), the elite comp. lower profile in Aust. will further diminish RU.
NZR ditch Sanzaar: Australia and South Africa respond
Aussies asked to 'express interest' in new Kiwi comp. Fair to say they weren't thrilled.www.nzherald.co.nz
Back to Twiggy who last weekend said he is very keen to have the Force play against the NZ teams.
So who will miss out from the Aussie 5 and if the Force miss out will Twiggy again focus on his own comp.
This of course assumes RA will come to the NZ party, and as well how much does RA need the Force or some of Twiggys money in any Australian comp they organise.
Finally Twiggy and his wife Nicola are tipping a 8 million into WA Grassroots Rugby following their previous 5 million in the past.
Now that is a motherhood statement from O'Halloran.
Look most owners don’t make money of sport and while I think it can succeed in Melbourne there is also a chance it doesn’t. It’s a lot of money to sink into a code of sport and I am sure they have done their research. But it is a bit odd
A 9 team comp is a terrible idea 4 games a week with a bye no thanks. Aus will hold out for 5 sides and NZ will cave
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It's about time some mods started being fair
What did the $5 million achieve?
Kept the Force alive as well as the elite pathways in WA. We had WA kids represent the junior Wallabies last year and with out his funding that wouldn’t of happened
RedV3x
It's about time some mods started being fair
So nothing of consequence.
He has kept a pro sports organisation going that would employ about 100 people kept all the pathway coaches in jobs
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In recent days, influential AFLPA President P. Dangerfield (along with currently the most influential existing coach, A. Clarkson; & R. Lyon, D. Cometti, S. Pendlebury & several other AFL experts) said he favours introducing 16-a-side (to reduce the ugly congestion etc. & low scoring/ultra defensiveness- which is contrary to the AFL's Charter Of The Game).
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A. Clarkson wants more goals being kicked in the AFL, as he noted in the VFA.
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K. Sheedy is in favour of 16-a-side, as is possibly C. Scott.
It should also be noted M. Blight, L. Matthews, G. Healy & M. Sheahan were requested by the AFL to provide a Report on "the look of the game"- & all four have previously made public comments very critical of the congested, scrappy, rolling packs, tackleball/stoppages-infested post 2005 trend.
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M. Robinson, J. Brown, & K. Cornes also want Rule changes to reduce the ugly congestion. G. Healy wants interchange, gradually, abolished completely (as it was for c.120 years- but I suspect he would permit it for concussion tests, & the Blood Rule).
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The VFA also introduced 16-a-side to make AF more attacking, with more (& much anticipated) one-on-one contests- which greatly added to its appeal (It would attract an average of c. 25,000 pw, over the 2 Divisions- with many gun full forwards kicking bags of goals regularly).
The NRL, with rule changes, has reduced its stoppages in 2020, & this reduction has achieved virtually universal acclamation- for making RL more free-flowing & attacking.
The AFL has already announced there will be large reductions in List sizes from 2021, to c. 35 per team- some want 32; & major reductions in Football Dept. spending (not including player wages- but this might also happen); & AFL HQ bloated expenditure also.
If there is also a drop in players on matchdays, from 22-20, this will reduce all Club expenditure even more greatly.
This drop will make it much easier & "cheaper" to add an additional 19th team in Tasmania c. 2025- & "small" teams will become financially more viable, & competitive, over the long term cf their much more wealthy rivals.
Ditto for a 3rd new team eventually in Sydney (perhaps post 2030, if GWS regularly has lockout crowds at Giants Stadium).
Dangerfield throws weight behind radical change
'If we want to open up the game...'
A. Clarkson wants more goals being kicked in the AFL, as he noted in the VFA.
Clarkson proposes radical rule changes to reduce congestion
A big call from Clarko. Do you agree? 🤔
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K. Sheedy is in favour of 16-a-side, as is possibly C. Scott.
It should also be noted M. Blight, L. Matthews, G. Healy & M. Sheahan were requested by the AFL to provide a Report on "the look of the game"- & all four have previously made public comments very critical of the congested, scrappy, rolling packs, tackleball/stoppages-infested post 2005 trend.
Scott a fan of 16-a-side to reduce congestion
Cats coach endorses new ways to improve the state of game
M. Robinson, J. Brown, & K. Cornes also want Rule changes to reduce the ugly congestion. G. Healy wants interchange, gradually, abolished completely (as it was for c.120 years- but I suspect he would permit it for concussion tests, & the Blood Rule).
Ten changes to fix ‘terrible’ state of AFL — including two ‘nuclear’ options to blow it up
Ten changes to fix ‘terrible’ state of AFL — including two ‘nuclear’ options to blow it up
www.foxsports.com.au
The VFA also introduced 16-a-side to make AF more attacking, with more (& much anticipated) one-on-one contests- which greatly added to its appeal (It would attract an average of c. 25,000 pw, over the 2 Divisions- with many gun full forwards kicking bags of goals regularly).
The NRL, with rule changes, has reduced its stoppages in 2020, & this reduction has achieved virtually universal acclamation- for making RL more free-flowing & attacking.
The AFL has already announced there will be large reductions in List sizes from 2021, to c. 35 per team- some want 32; & major reductions in Football Dept. spending (not including player wages- but this might also happen); & AFL HQ bloated expenditure also.
If there is also a drop in players on matchdays, from 22-20, this will reduce all Club expenditure even more greatly.
This drop will make it much easier & "cheaper" to add an additional 19th team in Tasmania c. 2025- & "small" teams will become financially more viable, & competitive, over the long term cf their much more wealthy rivals.
Ditto for a 3rd new team eventually in Sydney (perhaps post 2030, if GWS regularly has lockout crowds at Giants Stadium).
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Terrible idea reducing list sizes to 32. We don’t need to stuff around with the game just take it back to what it was.In recent days, AFLPA President P. Dangerfield (along with currently the most influential existing coach, A. Clarkson; & R. Lyon, D. Cometti, & several other AF experts) has called for 16-a-side.
This is to help reduce the current ugly, scrappy, congested, tackling/stoppages-filled, low scoring game style.
Dangerfield throws weight behind radical change
'If we want to open up the game...'
K. Sheedy & Geelong coach C. Scott are also in favour of 16-a-side.
Scott a fan of 16-a-side to reduce congestion
Cats coach endorses new ways to improve the state of game
The VFA also introduced 16-a-side to make AF more attacking, with more (& much anticipated) one-on-one contests- which greatly added to its appeal (It would attract an average of c. 25,000 pw, over the 2 Divisions- with many gun full forwards kicking bags of goals regularly).
The NRL, with rule changes, has reduced its stoppages in 2020, & this reduction has achieved virtually universal acclamation- for making RL more free-flowing & attacking.
The AFL has already announced there will be large reductions in List sizes from 2021, to c. 35 per team- some want 32; & major reductions in Football Dept. spending, & AFL HQ expenditure also.
If there is also a drop in players on matchdays, from 22-20, this will reduce expenditure even more greatly. This drop will make it much easier & "cheaper" to add an additional 19th team in Tasmania c.2025- & it will become more viable & competitive over the long term.
Ditto for a 3rd new team eventually in Sydney (perhaps post 2030, if GWS regularly has lockout crowds at Giants Stadium).
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Some serious figures speaking garbage here
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How?
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It's about time some mods started being fair
So nothing of real consequence.
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From Daily Telegraph 28.6.20
"Golf NSW has been in discussions with AFL NSW to explore & identify any golf courses...that could be used for out of hours AFL training/competition activities....More than 10 Sydney golf courses- with a combined landmass of at least 300 ha- are enduring financial pressures".
GR AF (which has recently resumed) is continuing to grow in Sydney, causing difficulties for some GR clubs to find sufficient training & match day ovals.
(Behind paywall-can anyone open, & post here?)
Incidentally, AFL Queensland CEO D.Warren told S. Edmund, on SEN 24.7.20, re GR AF, that "...jnr numbers for 2020, in the Gold Coast Brisbane Sunshine Coast, have already exceded the 2019 numbers..." despite the late start to season 2020. A similar record growth will also occur in Sydney GR nos. AF in 2020.
"Golf NSW has been in discussions with AFL NSW to explore & identify any golf courses...that could be used for out of hours AFL training/competition activities....More than 10 Sydney golf courses- with a combined landmass of at least 300 ha- are enduring financial pressures".
NSW courses could be used for AFL training space - Turfmate
Golfers and Aussie rules footballers may soon be sharing the courses as the city’s battle for public space heats up. Golf NSW and the AFL have confirmed they are thrashing out a deal on how some of metropolitan Sydney’s 91 golf courses can open their considerable land holdings to football clubs...
turfmate.com.au
GR AF (which has recently resumed) is continuing to grow in Sydney, causing difficulties for some GR clubs to find sufficient training & match day ovals.
Incidentally, AFL Queensland CEO D.Warren told S. Edmund, on SEN 24.7.20, re GR AF, that "...jnr numbers for 2020, in the Gold Coast Brisbane Sunshine Coast, have already exceded the 2019 numbers..." despite the late start to season 2020. A similar record growth will also occur in Sydney GR nos. AF in 2020.
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From Daily Telegraph 28.6.20
"Golf NSW has been in discussions with AFL NSW to explore & identify any golf courses...that could be used for out of hours AFL training/competition activities....More than 10 Sydney golf courses- with a combined landmass of at least 300 ha- are enduring financial pressures".
NSW courses could be used for AFL training space - Turfmate
Golfers and Aussie rules footballers may soon be sharing the courses as the city’s battle for public space heats up. Golf NSW and the AFL have confirmed they are thrashing out a deal on how some of metropolitan Sydney’s 91 golf courses can open their considerable land holdings to football clubs...turfmate.com.au
GR AF (which has recently resumed) is continuing to grow in Sydney, causing difficulties for some GR clubs to find sufficient training & match day ovals.
(Behind paywall-can anyone open, & post here?)
Incidentally, AFL Queensland CEO D.Warren told S. Edmund, on SEN 24.7.20, re GR AF, that "...jnr numbers for 2020, in the Gold Coast Brisbane Sunshine Coast, have already exceded the 2019 numbers..." despite the late start to season 2020. A similar growth will also occur in Sydney GR AF in 2020.
there was talk last year or the year before to use the interior of Randwick racecouse for more junior grounds
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Wasn’t the Swans looking at that place as a training base and would include and Women’s team?
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ok, yer might have been, i just remember reading something about it when they were talking about lack of grounds around inner Sydney
RedeX has trouble with anything beyond AFL, not your regular sports fan.
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We did as one of a few option, but we decided to go with the Royal Hall of Industries (which is now not going ahead) and staying with our training oval outside the SCG which was upgraded last year to be fenced off and made the same size playing surface wise as Docklands.
The Randwick proposal was withdrawn by the Turf Club before we even made our decision to stay at Moore Park and was never anything more than an oval with a car park for the players. It didn't even contain change rooms and wasn't even going to be accessible for junior football use outside of the Swans use for training.
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Ok cool. Was wandering what happened there.
Clubs regularly use more than 32 players in a year. You need a match day squad of 25 so this leaves on 7 players remaining and clubs often have more than 7 injured.
So many developing players will get cut in the name of saving money it’s not what is good for the game
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From Daily Telegraph 28.6.20
"Golf NSW has been in discussions with AFL NSW to explore & identify any golf courses...that could be used for out of hours AFL training/competition activities....More than 10 Sydney golf courses- with a combined landmass of at least 300 ha- are enduring financial pressures".
NSW courses could be used for AFL training space - Turfmate
Golfers and Aussie rules footballers may soon be sharing the courses as the city’s battle for public space heats up. Golf NSW and the AFL have confirmed they are thrashing out a deal on how some of metropolitan Sydney’s 91 golf courses can open their considerable land holdings to football clubs...turfmate.com.au
GR AF (which has recently resumed) is continuing to grow in Sydney, causing difficulties for some GR clubs to find sufficient training & match day ovals.
(Behind paywall-can anyone open, & post here?)
Incidentally, AFL Queensland CEO D.Warren told S. Edmund, on SEN 24.7.20, re GR AF, that "...jnr numbers for 2020, in the Gold Coast Brisbane Sunshine Coast, have already exceded the 2019 numbers..." despite the late start to season 2020. A similar record growth will also occur in Sydney GR nos. AF in 2020.
Golf NSW and the AFL have confirmed they are thrashing out a deal on how some of metropolitan Sydney’s 91 golf courses can open their considerable land holdings to football clubs desperate for training space.
Golf NSW CEO Stuart Fraser said more than 10 Sydney golf courses — with a combined landmass of at least 300ha — are enduring “financial pressures”.
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I have always thought that reducing interchange is the only way really forward to combat flooding and a ugly rugby type rolling maul, and i thought the VFA had 16 a side possibly because of smaller grounds around inner suburban Melbourne, if you have 16 recharged players rather than 18 it may make a difference i suppose.
At least if you are reducing I/C you are moving towards re-introducing rules that actually worked for 100 plus years.
At least if you are reducing I/C you are moving towards re-introducing rules that actually worked for 100 plus years.
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You would get even more players around the ball.
Those rules were for part timers not full time professionals.
All for 16 on the field opening things up.
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