Ablett Jr for Judd?

[thehoff]

Stop firing up people. This guy has thrown out the line and you've biten. That is excactly what he wants.

Ignore his post and move on!

 

[JUBJUB]

Stop firing up people. This guy has thrown out the line and you've biten. That is excactly what he wants.

Ignore his post and move on!

At least johnson_26 proves Sheedy was right when he talked about Collingwoods nuff-nuff supporters.

 

[Copernicus]

Hilarious idea. Both players offer so much to their respective teams, why would they even contemplate such a trade? I guess it's a fun hypothetical, but I think we've established that it would never happen. Something as simple as the sentimental attachment that the Ablett name has to Geelong will ensure that it will never happen.

Thanks for playing though.

 

[johnson_26]

You guys have taken this all wrong... You cannot possibly tell me Jnr has had a better start to his year than 2005?

Stats gary ablett Rounds 1-11 2005:
R1- 6 k, 6 h, 12 d, 4 m, 2 g
R2- 10k, 7h, 17 d, 4 m, 0 g
R3- 7 k, 19 h, 26 d, 2 m, 1 g
R4- 10 k, 11 h, 21 d, 3 m, 2 g
R5- 17 k, 7 h, 24 d, 1 m, 0 g
R6- 14 k, 7 h, 21 d, 4 m, 1 g
R7- 12 k, 10 h, 22 d, 4 m, 1 g
R8- 15 k, 11 h, 26 d, 3 m, 4 g
R9- 14 k, 11 h, 25 d, 3 m, 2 g
R10- 12 k, 7 h, 19 d, 0 m, 1 g
R11- 13 k, 5 h, 18 d, 6 m, 2 g


Stats Gary Ablett Rounds 1-12 2006:
R1- 14 k, 13 h, 27 d, 3 m, 1 g
R2- 12 k, 5 h, 17 d, 3 m, 4 g
R3- 7 k, 6 h, 13 d, 3 m, 0 g
R4- 11 k, 7 h, 18 d, 3 m, 4 g
R5- 17 k, 2 h, 19 d, 2 m, 2 g
R6- 8 k, 13 h, 21 d, 2 m, 2 g
R7- 5 k, 13 h, 18 d, 1 m, 0 g
R8- 5 k, 5 h, 10 d, 3 m, 1 g
R9- 13 k, 12 h, 25 d, 4 m, 2 g
R10- 12 k, 3 h, 15 d, 4 m, 2 g
R11- 10 k, 9 h, 19 d, 4 m, 4 g
R12- 10 k, 4 h, 14 d, 4 m, 6 g


Stats Comparison:
2005 avg kick= 11.81, Avg Hand= 9.18, Avg Disp= 20, Avg Mark= 3.09, Avg Goal= 1.6

2006 Avg Kick= 10.33, Avg Hand= 7.66, Avg Disp= 17.99 (18), Avg Mark= 3.00, Avg Goal= 2.33

Although goals are better, and marks haven't changed that much, it's clear gary has been not 'as' good as his 2005. Sure, the cats were flying, and gary wasn't needed to kick the goals (kent kingsley was actually getting a kick). however, geelong was more potent with a dashing gary ablett feeding the ball down the throats of the likes of Kingsley, Mackie, ottens, Playfair etc.
You can't possibly tell me geelong arent a better side with the little maestro running through the midfield.

Because the cats lack a bit of goal kicking power, sure he's had to play closer to goals. But, I think he is more damaging as a ruck rover changing on the HFF where he is absolutley lethal.

i, just my opinion, don't believe he has been been AS good as his opening part of last year. Gazz is a gun midfielder, but he hasn't been playin alot there this year. is it ebcause of the team structure and lack of fire power?
Paul Chapman of 2006= Gary Ablett of 2005

 

[Cattery]

Stop firing up people. This guy has thrown out the line and you've biten. That is excactly what he wants.

Ignore his post and move on!

You mean we've been scammed?

 

[TheTimeCometh]

was gonna post 'hook, line + sinker' an hour ago hoff. jebus! and they even wasted time AND space quoting the tool as well.


copernicus: games still on.




you gotta point j26, but there are three kinds of lies : Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.

 

[Copernicus]

Johnson26, stats aren't the be-all, end-all. Sure, he may have been up a little in terms of disposals last season, but it's the quality of disposal and the impact they have had on games that count. He wore a heavy tag that he was not used to last season, so he may have got a lot of the ball but that doesn't necessarily mean it was quality, if he was under pressure that he wasn't used to.

Also bear in mind he's been playing pretty much lone-ranger as a small forward aside from Chappy - he hasn't been in the midfield as often as he was last year. It's hard to argue that he has been better one year over another due to a statistical differential of two disposals. I would say he's moved up a rung this year in terms of influence, impact and inspirational acts (Yep, the three I's ).

 

[johnson_26]

Good, some good discussion generated.

Please understand im not a troll,,,

i just didn't fully explain myself in the first post.

Sorry All Cat's fans! Accept my humblest apologies

 

[Copernicus]

Good, some good discussion generated.

Please understand im not a troll,,,

i just didn't fully explain myself in the first post.

Sorry All Cat's fans! Accept my humblest apologies

Not to worry, I didn't think you were a troll - I know you're typically up for discussion rather than the usual bull that gets about on these boards.

 

[catempire]

johnson_26, while as copernicus has pointed out while Ablett's stats might be slightly inferior to last years, his performance in terms of influence has been greater.

And Chapman, while he had a few good early games, I feel he has trailed off over the past month a little and Ablett has overtaken him as our best performer this year.

 

[thehoff]

You guys have taken this all wrong... You cannot possibly tell me Jnr has had a better start to his year than 2005?

Stats gary ablett Rounds 1-11 2005:
R1- 6 k, 6 h, 12 d, 4 m, 2 g
R2- 10k, 7h, 17 d, 4 m, 0 g
R3- 7 k, 19 h, 26 d, 2 m, 1 g
R4- 10 k, 11 h, 21 d, 3 m, 2 g
R5- 17 k, 7 h, 24 d, 1 m, 0 g
R6- 14 k, 7 h, 21 d, 4 m, 1 g
R7- 12 k, 10 h, 22 d, 4 m, 1 g
R8- 15 k, 11 h, 26 d, 3 m, 4 g
R9- 14 k, 11 h, 25 d, 3 m, 2 g
R10- 12 k, 7 h, 19 d, 0 m, 1 g
R11- 13 k, 5 h, 18 d, 6 m, 2 g


Stats Gary Ablett Rounds 1-12 2006:
R1- 14 k, 13 h, 27 d, 3 m, 1 g
R2- 12 k, 5 h, 17 d, 3 m, 4 g
R3- 7 k, 6 h, 13 d, 3 m, 0 g
R4- 11 k, 7 h, 18 d, 3 m, 4 g
R5- 17 k, 2 h, 19 d, 2 m, 2 g
R6- 8 k, 13 h, 21 d, 2 m, 2 g
R7- 5 k, 13 h, 18 d, 1 m, 0 g
R8- 5 k, 5 h, 10 d, 3 m, 1 g
R9- 13 k, 12 h, 25 d, 4 m, 2 g
R10- 12 k, 3 h, 15 d, 4 m, 2 g
R11- 10 k, 9 h, 19 d, 4 m, 4 g
R12- 10 k, 4 h, 14 d, 4 m, 6 g


Stats Comparison:
2005 avg kick= 11.81, Avg Hand= 9.18, Avg Disp= 20, Avg Mark= 3.09, Avg Goal= 1.6

2006 Avg Kick= 10.33, Avg Hand= 7.66, Avg Disp= 17.99 (18), Avg Mark= 3.00, Avg Goal= 2.33

Although goals are better, and marks haven't changed that much, it's clear gary has been not 'as' good as his 2005. Sure, the cats were flying, and gary wasn't needed to kick the goals (kent kingsley was actually getting a kick). however, geelong was more potent with a dashing gary ablett feeding the ball down the throats of the likes of Kingsley, Mackie, ottens, Playfair etc.
You can't possibly tell me geelong arent a better side with the little maestro running through the midfield.

Because the cats lack a bit of goal kicking power, sure he's had to play closer to goals. But, I think he is more damaging as a ruck rover changing on the HFF where he is absolutley lethal.

i, just my opinion, don't believe he has been been AS good as his opening part of last year. Gazz is a gun midfielder, but he hasn't been playin alot there this year. is it ebcause of the team structure and lack of fire power?
Paul Chapman of 2006= Gary Ablett of 2005

It's all about the impact he has had on games. This year is far greater than last year. Take last week for example. 14 Disposals, yet kicked 6 majors!

 

[Goldust]

Sorry, I'm watching the soccer at the moment and on the internet and just pondering life in general and I thought what would you guys want for Ablett Jr.? Would you take Juddy in a straight swap? Probably would NEVER happen but Juddy is possibly the complete player and the Ablett name alone just reeks of Geelong royalty...So it kinda evens out in terms of significance I suppose. Maybe I'm wrong. What's it gonna take guys??

Btw, loved the Freo game, 6 goals from the little champ wasn't it? Surely in AA form

AND maybe if you offer them Playfair, they'll be generous and throw in Cox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cats2rise]

Well I paid $419,100 for Tarrant

I can allready see your problem.

 

[pinkcococupcake]

I can allready see your problem.

I know, and I have already made all my trades for the whole year so I can't make anymore, I am crap

 

[cats2rise]

One of mates is ranked around 400th in Australia which is pretty damn good. he only has 6 trades left though.

 

[johnson_26]

MAte of mine is 6th,,,

Have a look at overrall sides- then see leighroys lovers

 

[Turbocat]

J26 , from memory Gary had a real slump mid last year and when Nathan came into the side he perked up. To me , this year he appears to have gone up a level, he is one of only a couple of guys who could be considered close to being "superstar" type player at Geelong

Would anyone trade him for Judd. No ,I doubt it. He means more to us than just a player of his abilities he is the son of one of our champions , he is another chapter to the story of Geelong.

 

[WestCat]

Would anyone trade him for Judd. No ,I doubt it. He means more to us than just a player of his abilities he is the son of one of our champions , he is another chapter to the story of Geelong.

Pretty much sums it up. Gaz lacks Judd's explosive pace off the mark, but I reckon Gaz has the better skills. Judd does the simple things better than any other player, but lacks the extra magic that Gaz has. Anyone would probably still take Judd based on the fact that he's an early developer and has proven himself to be among the best in the league. Whether the gap is the same size at the end of their careers is another story, but for now you'd go with Judd. But that doesn't take off field stuff into account.

 

[jako27]

all other clubs would take judd, but the ablett name is all geelong has and they would never get rid of him for that fact

 

[fugsy]

all other clubs would take judd, but the ablett name is all geelong has and they would never get rid of him for that fact

The Scarlett name appears to be doing okay too...

 

[Devilcat]

If it did happen say goodbye to Skilled Stadium...the locals would tear it down with their teeth.

What teeth?

 

[Devilcat]

I have ablett in my dream team...

i have never, ever picked a more inconsistent player for $315,000!!!!!!

he should be plying on ball, but at the moment he's a specialist half foward flanker, where he gets tagged every week, and this year he's had a poor year.

You don't pick players like Ablett for your dream team. It's not racking up millions of uncontested possessions that makes Ablett a gun.

 

[Beano31]

This is a very good hypothetical thread for discussion. As we have established, such a trade would never occur. But I do have to talk about some other aspects that have arose. IMO, this is clearly GAJ's best start to a season, the statistics mite suggest otherwise, but statistics don't always tell the truth (see one Patrick Bowden). Ablett's touches this year have been way more damaging because he has been able to shake his heavy tagging more often. Also, Ablett has delivered a lot more on the score board this season and will go mighty close to 60 goals for the season, which is a ridiculously good effort for a guy who is only changing between midfield and forward.

I think the fact that such threads as this are being discussed, and the fact the hype about Ablett is perhaps the greatest it has ever been is evidence that Ablett is in career best form and is only going to get better. I can't wait to see more!