Play Nice Adam Goodes

[Kummerspeck]

So he took a week off because hes a flog ?

No, because he landed awkwardly on his left ankle and you guys were playing GWS the next week.

 

[romeohwho]

I don't think myself or a lot of other people are refuting the merit of his cause, what im trying to say is the way he goes about getting that point across ends up tarnishing the message itself because people don't hear the message.

Statements like, "Aboriginal people have been here a lot longer than anybody else, so just remember whose lands you are on", although 100% true, don't serve the greater good, and don't help to foster a relationship between the two communities. Doing a war dance at the opposition cheer squad doesn't help foster a relationship between the two communities, jumping to the conclusion that "people boo me because I'm aboriginal" doesn't help foster a relationship between the two communities. His message is true and comes from the right place but his method of delivery divides the community.

Did he actually say people boo me because I'm aboriginal?' His 'message' will only divide an already divided community of you let it.
Why don't you just say 'that was a great dance and it was entertaining'. Because it was. Maybe people could take it in the right spirit.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

By booing??
I would have thought being supportive of indigenous leaders like Adam would be a step in the right direction.

Maybe we would if he focused

So you're not a redneck?
You Hawk hillbillies better change your manner then because even some of your fellow Hawk supporters are embarrassed by the spew coming from your keyboards!

Why does my club have anything to do with my comments?

 

[Cleric]

I dont actually care about his dance. Neither here nor there. But when you are already disliked by many opposition supporters doing something like that to them is only going to increase the boos he gets. For every action there is a equal and opposite reaction.
I wont boo Goodes when he plays against my team, but he doesnt really have any history with us. I will boo Tippett tho, cos he is a knob of the highest order.

 

[Kummerspeck]

Yeah cause that's how racism works
Is it not

I think it's somewhat more multi-faceted than that. In any case, I believe that people generally aren't going to proudly display their racism as you do. If they're given a cover or privacy to do so, they're generally a lot more open. There would be a small part of those who are booing who are doing so because they're racist. The rest just provide a cover for them.

 

[tigerninja]

Bullshit artist?

So others can judge, here is the sum total of your "contributions" to this discussion so far:

I started off by pointing out that it could not be proven that, as you put it, people were booing Goodes solely for being a "free kick sniper". I never suggested they were booing him because they were racist.

Your response:

#2402: Oh we've established beyond reasonable doubt that the reason is racism have we? It's pretty common knowledge that 29,999 out of 30,000 are booing him for being a sniper, but Adam had to class every single one of them as racist.

I suggested that was pretty unscientific.

Your response:

#2410: gtfo

I asked you to show me where I had said people were booing him because they were racist. I also said that when it's pointed out to you that you can't even sustain your own argument, you resort to abuse.

Your response:

#2429: You're making childish responses deserved the gtfo response. And are you even on the same wavelength in any conversation you have? I've proven a few times already you can go back and find it instead of making childish at fault accusations to try and make yourself think you're winning what you think is an argument.

I pointed out you had provided nothing whatsoever to support your argument, and then I just listed a few of Adam Goodes's extraordinary achievements, just to make it clear what sort of an accomplished human being we're arguing about.

Your response:

#2578: LMFAO. Spin doctor of the highest order! Professional bullshit artist you are.



Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case. You be the judge.

Meanwhile tigerninja, welcome to my Ignore list. Bother someone else with your inability to sustain a coherent argument. Abuse away. I've put the earplugs in.

Still irrelevant but keep plugging away pointlessly

 

[CountryRace]

I dont actually care about his dance. Neither here nor there. But when you are already disliked by many opposition supporters doing something like that to them is only going to increase the boos he gets. For every action there is a equal and opposite reaction.
I wont boo Goodes when he plays against my team, but he doesnt really have any history with us. I will boo Tippett tho, cos he is a knob of the highest order.

You are providing a cover to people that don't like Tippett

Be carful

 

[CountryRace]

I think it's somewhat more multi-faceted than that. In any case, I believe that people generally aren't going to proudly display their racism as you do. If they're given a cover or privacy to do so, they're generally a lot more open. There would be a small part of those who are booing who are doing so because they're racist. The rest just provide a cover for them.

Lol

Classy

What race am I racist towards? Aboriginals I assume?


You are the one asking stupid hypotheticals. I was just trying to answer. If I were a racist, why would I stop booing an aboriginal. Cause cause someone else that word normal boo him for diving stop their behaviour?

 

[YES! YES! YES!]

Not sure why your opinion matters. You have no idea what happens in the aboriginal community and no desire to find out.

You are like the shock jocks of this world. Living in your comfortable place of male white privilege looking down at the disadvantaged with contempt.

My opinion doesn't matter and it doesn't have to. I'm just expressing it to other people to gain a perspective over what the big fuss is about. It's 100% untrue that I don't care otherwise I wouldn't be asking.

If there were opportunities to improve the socio-economic standards of those communities then I'm all for helping if I can (such as life expectancy).

However, if it is to acknowledge about original land ownage over a tribe 50,000 years ago, I don't see what the big fuss is in agreeing or disagreeing. Will somehow me agreeing with it improve Indigenous life expectancy?

How do you know I'm privileged? How do you know I'm white? How do you you know I'm male? Do you generalise because you don't agree with my opinion?

Guess what? I'm Jewish. Yet I hate this idea of Israel. Establishing a nation for the "chosen" people to migrate back. Even though the nation on a whole is Secular, there are still Zionists in the West Bank that are trying to attack Palestinians and kick them out of their homes on a ridiculous "spiritual land ownage" basis set in the Biblical Era.

IMO, no group of people should have ownage of land anywhere in the world on a spiritual basis.

If Indigenous people want to claim themselves as original land owners based on ancestory, I'm not stopping them. I'm just saying that I don't agree with the current (or any future) generation's claim to it.

If you want to debate rationally, I'm happy to continue this conversation. However, if you want to keep throwing cheap shots at me kindly don't reply back.

 

[Kummerspeck]

Lol

Classy

What race am I racist towards? Aboriginals I assume?

I didn't say you were racist, I said you believe people would proudly display their racism.

If I were a racist, why would I stop booing an aboriginal. Cause cause someone else that word normal boo him for diving stop their behaviour?

Because your intentions would be made obvious and you would be in a situation where you wouldn't have an easy cover for behaviour that's widely condemned by society.

 

[no orange peeler]

Id be interested if it was one of the other indigenous players did it would there be this much coverage. Not a mention has been made of Garlett or Lemumba. This purely a character assassination of a person that people really dont know.

 

[CountryRace]

I didn't say you were racist, I said you believe people would proudly display their racism.

Because your intentions would be made obvious and you would be in a situation where you wouldn't have an easy cover for behaviour that's widely condemned by society.

Perhaps some racists stick by their convictions?

 

[skipper kelly]

Lol

Classy

What race am I racist towards? Aboriginals I assume?


You are the one asking stupid hypotheticals. I was just trying to answer. If I were a racist, why would I stop booing an aboriginal. Cause cause someone else that word normal boo him for diving stop their behaviour?

He didn't accuse you of being racist. He was stating that people will not proudly and openly display their racism if the remainder stopped booing. The "as you do" was referring to you maybe believing that people will still openly and proudly display their racism if the remainder stopped booing.

Context is everything.

 

[Kummerspeck]

Perhaps some racists stick by their convictions?

Some do. I'd say it's unlikely in a highly public setting though.

 

[CountryRace]

He didn't accuse you of being racist. He was stating that people will not proudly and openly display their racism if the remainder stopped booing. The "as you do" was referring to you maybe believing that people will still openly and proudly display their racism if the remainder stopped booing.

Context is everything.

What do you propose the racist percentage of the crowd would do?

Start knitting perhaps?

Regardless. One should be able boo who they like. And not be concerned about cover for someone else racism. IMO.

 

[Magpie Monopoly]

Did he actually say people boo me because I'm aboriginal?' His 'message' will only divide an already divided community of you let it.
Why don't you just say 'that was a great dance and it was entertaining'. Because it was. Maybe people could take it in the right spirit.

In a perfect world things are as simple as two parties saying, "oh sorry did you think i meant that, sorry i meant this", "oh, is that what you meant, well all good then my bad", but thats not the world we live in.

If Goodes is trying to get a message across, and fails to get that message across to the wider public, and actually gets the opposite message across, is he just going to chalk that up as a win?

 

[Kummerspeck]

What do you propose the racist percentage of the crowd would do?

Start knitting perhaps?

They don't need to do anything, there just wouldn't be a forum for them any more. It doesn't need to reeducate them, just needs to remove oxygen for those particular views.

 

[SdKfz 181]

Lets get this straight, Goodes does a provoking dance towards the Carlton fans(they didn't understand the meaning), they proceed to boo him for it, and now they are all seen as booing him because they are racist.. give me a spell.

 

[skipper kelly]

What do you propose the racist percentage of the crowd would do?

Start knitting perhaps?

Regardless. One should be able boo who they like. And not be concerned about cover for someone else racism. IMO.

At least you do validate the argument that some people will use the booing as a cover for racism. And that was and remains the only point.

 

[GoodesFella]

Your Honor, I rest my case.

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Id be interested if it was one of the other indigenous players did it would there be this much coverage. Not a mention has been made of Garlett or Lemumba. This purely a character assassination of a person that people really dont know.

Because then it would mean the media cant continue to inflame the situation which then fills their coffers.

I am so glad that real media studies is now being taught in most schools and a new generation of people will have the ability to disect the media and understand the way the media, especially in this country, manipulates society so much.

One thing that annoys me so much is how many people my age are not prepared to be critical thinkers and hold the media at task. They just consume the agendas and the shitty narratives the media throws at them like an obese person consumes maccas.

 

[Kummerspeck]

Lets get this straight

You didn't get it straight.

Regardless. One should be able boo who they like. And not be concerned about cover for someone else racism. IMO.

Well, good to see you agree with my original point. That those who boo for whatever reasons provide cover for racism. Did you learn something today?

 

[GoodesFella]

Lets get this straight, Goodes does a provoking dance towards the Carlton fans(they didn't understand the meaning), they proceed to boo him for it, and now they are all seen as booing him because they are racist.. give me a spell.

I think you missed the point.

 

[sr36]

He's probably a really nice guy, but in his onfield and media persona, he comes across as an arrogant humourless tosser. Therefore he is generally disliked - in much the same way as Buckley was during his playing career. Dislike is increased because he is perceived to be a whinger, both in the way he complains and pleads to the umpires and the way he dealt with the comment from the 12th year old girl that he perceived as racism. Dislike is further increased as he is viewed as being hypocritical - the way he plays victim in his umpire pleading, despite being regularly snipy. This sense of hypocrisy is heightened by his recent comments suggesting that people shouldn't criticise his 'war dance' unless they know the perspective that he was coming from. This is in stark contrast to his vilification of a young girl and assumption of racism for the use of the term ape to describe him. A term that in Australia has not generally been a common term of abuse towards Aboriginals, but rather a common term of abuse to those perceived as big and dumb from any nationality.

I have no doubt that Goodes has been directly and indirectly affected by the racism that continues to be prevalent in Australian society and I'm a believer in his cause, however, I will continue to dislike his onfield and media persona.

On the 'war dance', it would have been great if he had have directed it at his peers- his opponents, rather than the crowd.

 

[Alesana]

Lets get this straight, Goodes does a provoking dance towards the Carlton fans(they didn't understand the meaning), they proceed to boo him for it, and now they are all seen as booing him because they are racist.. give me a spell.

Or that they are providing 'cover' for racists to boo him for being aboriginal. Yes, that is where some people are going with this

 

[Kummerspeck]

Or that they are providing 'cover' for racists to boo him for being aboriginal. Yes, that is where some people are going with this

On what grounds do you deny that? As I asked earlier, do you think if people had to openly display the fact they were booing him because they were racist that they would maintain it for very long?