Play Nice Adam Goodes

[The King!]

Goodes did have a choice over when to do it. Like I said why not before the game? To the actual opposition and not their fans as a war dance is supposed to be aimed at? The point is, say Goodes just went to the Carlton fans, gloated all over them and gave them the bird, that would be seen as unsportsmanlike. But since he did it under the cover of celebrating racial heritage, it is suddenly all ok? You can celebrate in ways that don't incite the opposition fans.

I suspect many of the media would be having a go at say Kurt Tippett kicking a goal and gesturing to the crowd in some way to celebrate as you say.

I personally dont mind the theatre of it all as long as it doesnt get violent, but easy to say when it involves a player from my team.

Id still prefer my players to interact towards their own fans if they are going to interact with the crowd as a rule, eg hird hugging fan in 2004, great moment

Though micky o v the fat eagles fan i enjoyed

 

[Kummerspeck]

What is a practical example of this? Did Aly give any? Because quite frankly I don't see it.

Winmar and Long. Everyone's favourite examples of the "right way" to show pride / protest racism. They both received an enormous amount of abuse and we're accused of creating divides between the two groups of people.

It's funny that people in this thread keep mentioning them, as if those two said their piece, everyone learned a lesson and we all moved on. The same people who keep bringing them up in this thread to cast Goodes in a poor light would have been the ones throwing shit at them then.

 

[QuietB]

The ironic thing is that if Jetta kicked the goal instead of Goodes and did the war dance then the media would probably be saying how great it was, or if Yarren did it to Swans fans but because it was Goodes that did the dance everyone is up in arms over it.

And this is where the context is important. Goodes was coming off a week when the whole media was swooning over the booing. All his actions were ever going to do was amplify the noise in the public and the media. If that was his intention then job done. If it was not his intention then what was?

 

[Cleric]

Point well taken and after this final post I am unwatching this thread and banning myself from further commenting on it or even viewing it.

1) There are plenty of reasons to dislike Adam Goodes that have NOTHING to do with his ancestry.
2) Goodes lied and contradicted himself in post game interviews when he first said that he did NOT direct his "war dance" towards Carlton fans and then said that of course his "war dance" was and should be directed towards the opposition fans because it was a "war dance" after all. He also said that he had PLANNED a separate dance/celebration to do towards Sydney supporters, showing that he PLANNED all along to do the dance AT the Carlton fans.
3) When race is injected into a conversation as cover for improper behavior, it does a disservice to actual issues and concerns regarding race.
4) Racism exists from ALL groups of people and towards ALL groups of people. The idea that somehow whites or Australians have some type of monopoly of prejudiced thinking at times is LUDICROUS. It happens EVERYWHERE and from and towards EVERYONE, at one time and in one form or another.
Lastly, my Carlton team stinks so badly that the "war dance" and this damn thread was the most Footy excitement I have had all year!!! HELP!!! G'day all

Exactly. Minorities in the US say its a racist country, same in the UK, Russia etc. Muslims in France, UK, Holland, Australia, etc say those countries are intollerant. Its not just race vs race. Its tribe vs tribe in Africa, Catholics vs Prots in Ireland, Surenos vs Nortinos in Cali, Jew vs Palis, Crows vs Port, Gay vs Straight, masc vs fem gays, Qld vs NSW, Adelaide united vs Melbourne Victory, Croat vs Serb, Ukraine vs Russia, Labor vs Liberal, left vs right etc etc etc.
Its called tribalism and its in our DNA. Why do new arrivals in a country all go to live in the same neighbourhoods? Its life.
Look what big footy is all about. Your tribe vs the other tribe. No matter what happens in life people will cliq up with those similar.
Thats why libertarianism is the way to go. You leave me alone and ill leave you alone. Allow me to follow my path and ill let you follow yours. If you cant have your freedom and liberty i cant have mine.

 

[QuietB]

Winmar and Long. Everyone's favourite examples of the "right way" to show pride / protest racism. They both received an enormous amount of abuse and we're accused of creating divides between the two groups of people.

It's funny that people in this thread keep mentioning them, as if those two said their piece, everyone learned a lesson and we all moved on. The same people who keep bringing them up in this thread to cast Goodes in a poor light would have been the ones throwing shit at them then.

So how was Long keeping his culture to himself? He changed the whole system by his actions. He forced change by confronting the system that had harboured racism for years. That is a terrible example.

 

[CarBigDog]

The thought of Mike Pyke doing a pre game war dance.. Lol

I would have paid to see that, as a duet with Cameron Wood.

Yes Really. Didn't you say you were done with the thread ? Can we now add liar ? I think you need to explain why you like Buddy and Jetta and hate Goodes it's not really my job to explain how you feel about people.

I don't see Buddy and Jetta as self-absorbed disingenuous pricks. Buddy and Jetta are two of the most exciting players to watch and while Goodes is/has been a great player, he has been a self-absorbed disingenuous prick. You are right as far as being done with this thread but I was answering direct comments towards me and not new posts, so I should be done. BTW are you a 12?

 

[Docker Alyssa]

So basically after 115 pages the take home message is if you are going to boo someone, you better make dam sure they are white first.

No it's even more perplexing than that.

Apparently you can boo all manner of footballers, even of all races, just don't boo any non-white who it's decided represents their race best and speaks most, or else you are somehow racist against all his people automatically. Even though you aren't? Because you like a lot of his people a lot? You, like, don't even see skin colour as a factor of if you like someone? You just don't like him...

Mind. Totally. Blown. How. This. Is. Actually. Reality.

 

[Kummerspeck]

So how was Long keeping his culture to himself? He changed the whole system by his actions. He forced change by confronting the system that had harboured racism for years. That is a terrible example.

It was an example of the backlash that indigenous Australians get home they don't keep to themselves or they try to confront racism. As was Aly's point. It especially fits this conversation because Long is constantly brought up as the right way of discussing race, when in fact he was widely slammed for it at the time.

 

[ashep]

Then perhaps it wasn't the most appropriate occasion to do it

God forbid an indigenous man celebrate his indigenous heritage on an occasion designed to celebrate indigenous heritage.

 

[AJJPAFC]

Is he a nob because he challenges you?

If he shut up he would be a good bloke, aye?

Maybe he should be going out smashing 24 frothies and then he should spew on someone, that would make him a "FARKIN FUNNY LEG AYE!"

No he's a knob because he points at young girls and does wardances at the only bay full of opposition supporters. He's a tosser.

 

[Kummerspeck]

Mind. Totally. Blown. How. This. Is. Actually. Reality.

It isn't. It's you twisting or not understanding the argument.

 

[J_Moore]

****ing hell why do 116 pages of people give a shit. give it a rest you ****ing losers.

 

[Hawkers]

God forbid an indigenous man celebrate his indigenous heritage on an occasion designed to celebrate indigenous heritage.

Read and understand the context of the conversation you're jumping in to before doing so

 

[ashep]

No he's a knob because he points at young girls and does wardances at the only bay full of opposition supporters. He's a tosser.

So a good bloke just cops racist abuse and celebrates by tipping his imaginary cap to team mates then?

 

[AJJPAFC]

So a good bloke just cops racist abuse and celebrates by tipping his imaginary cap to team mates then?

Carlton supporters being racist were they? Must of missed that, along with the security, police, and media. Good to see you caught it though. Bloke is a champion player, does not make him a champion bloke. Even if he happens to play for a team you support.

 

[Cleric]

It was an example of the backlash that indigenous Australians get home they don't keep to themselves or they try to confront racism. As was Aly's point. It especially fits this conversation because Long is constantly brought up as the right way of discussing race, when in fact he was widely slammed for it at the time.

Or how about how Andrew Mcloud talks about race? Not a good example I know as he is universally loved and admired for being a good guy. Difference between when players like Macca, Wanganeen or Bourgoyne talk about it is everyone listens, when people like Goodes, Mundine or Harry O talk about 3/4rs of people tune out because they are knobs. Now which one is best to represent their people?

 

[QuietB]

It was an example of the backlash that indigenous Australians get home they don't keep to themselves or they try to confront racism. As was Aly's point. It especially fits this conversation because Long is constantly brought up as the right way of discussing race, when in fact he was widely slammed for it at the time.

Was he i don't remember much negative backlash. And it has been progress ever since.

This is the most bewildering thing about this particular incident, there has not even been an incident of racism. No one has been reported for anything, no one has been accused of anything. All we have is a whole bunch of conclusions drawn from some booing.

 

[Fletched]

The main argument that people are using to support booing Goodes is that since people aren't racist to all aboriginal players it is therefore impossible to be racist to one

 

[Kummerspeck]

Was he i don't remember much negative backlash.

Are you serious?

Or how about how Andrew Mcloud talks about race? Not a good example I know as he is universally loved and admired for being a good guy. Difference between when players like Macca, Wanganeen or Bourgoyne talk about it is everyone listens,

Can you give me examples of them talking about racism or indigenous disadvantage?

 

[Fletched]

This is the most bewildering thing about this particular incident, there has not even been an incident of racism

Except the booing itself did most likely have racist undertones

 

[Cleric]

Are you serious?

Can you give me examples of them talking about racism or indigenous disadvantage?

You serious? Macca spoke at the UN about it. Even a lazy google search would have pulled that up. Unless your just trolling?

 

[QuietB]

Except the booing itself did most likely have racist undertones

Most likely

 

[Kummerspeck]

You serious? Macca spoke at the UN about it. Even a lazy google search would have pulled that up. Unless your just trolling?

McLeod's address to the UN detailed AFL policies on racism. If you can direct me to the parts where he made comments about current indigenous issues in Australian culture I'd be happy to read them.

In any case, I'll accept McLeod. What about the others you named?

 

[DrEvil_]

You serious? Macca spoke at the UN about it. Even a lazy google search would have pulled that up. Unless your just trolling?

You see, unless you are Adam Goodes, your platform is just not wide enough, whether you are Mcleod speaking to the UN or Stokes writing open letter to the PM, you are not AOTY and you just don't count. Only Adam Goodes speaks up against racism.

Goodes' platform was far wider than what Stokes had. Most of the people criticising Goodes wouldnt read the front part of the newspaper that would have been printed in.

Goodes took the AOTY award and used it to drive home some truths about the racist history of this country. That makes many uncomfortable.

Just as Ali was hammered for pointing out the racism and warmongering of US society, Goodes is copping the same.

 

[CarBigDog]

The main argument that people are using to support booing Goodes is that since people aren't racist to all aboriginal players it is therefore impossible to be racist to one

Yeah that is sort of the definition of racism. That a person is racist, means that he has a belief that the ENTIRE race is different and not equal to their own. Being against one means you don't like THAT particular person. It is exacerbated when that person uses their race as cover for their improper behavior. Now if you are going to extend the definition of racism to disliking anyone at all, then you are very talented.

Except the booing itself did most likely have racist undertones

That belief is..... because you wrote it and Adam Goodes insuniated it. Well I guess that proves it then. Since you and Adam know what I and everyone else is thinking, can you tell me where to go to dinner? I am undecided As to what to eat.

Ok that's it no more posting but just couldn't resist.