List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

[Mego Red]

I suppose a 13 disposal/10 1%/100% contested one on one win rate/347 meter gained game at 91% efficiency whilst playing 89% of the game as a 2nd key defender really isn't up to snuff (Murray against Melbourne).

He was fine, and likely was just a victim of us trying to tank against North Melbourne. A plan that backfired hideously because they were North Melbourne. Or he was a victim of us being a stupid football club, a factor that also backfired hideously because we came up against North Melbourne.

Yes, those are stats.

Go to the AFL app and look up his stats there. You can see video of everything he did and every stat he got.

He was largely ineffectual, other than a MASSIVE speccy at the start of the third quarter. Gets more kick outs than usual, jumps into some packs.

I'm a supporter of the lad, but I think he will benefit from an off-season. That will tell us a lot, as he's no certainty but there opportunity is there for him to grasp.

 

[Golumless]

Yes, those are stats.

Go to the AFL app and look up his stats there. You can see video of everything he did and every stat he got.

He was largely ineffectual, other than a MASSIVE speccy at the start of the third quarter. Gets more kick outs than usual, jumps into some packs.

I'm a supporter of the lad, but I think he will benefit from an off-season. That will tell us a lot, as he's no certainty but there opportunity is there for him to grasp.

Those are stats that tell you one thing - he was not cooked, he did his job as a 2nd KPD and it was a terrible decision from Nicks and co to drop him for Frampton unless we were trying to tank (which is what we were most likely trying to do, considering how young that lineup was).

There is no doubt he'll benefit from an off-season, most do.

 

[hey shorty]

Yes, those are stats.

Go to the AFL app and look up his stats there. You can see video of everything he did and every stat he got.

He was largely ineffectual, other than a MASSIVE speccy at the start of the third quarter. Gets more kick outs than usual, jumps into some packs.

I'm a supporter of the lad, but I think he will benefit from an off-season. That will tell us a lot, as he's no certainty but there opportunity is there for him to grasp.

If you think Murray ended badly I suggest you watch again.

 

[70lethal]

Keay's disposal count increased 70% which is almost unheard of.
McHenry doubled in the last few games
Schoenberg's playing only 60% against Powa and having 31 disposals is insane.
Much better environment for draftees to walk in to

One could argue Van Berlo has had an impact on the 3 above considering they are mids or sort of mids but our midfield policy of Laird, Keays, Sloane suggests otherwise.
Burns seems to be the one doing the experimenting and making the bigger calls.
Jones to defence, Frampton tried in defence, Murray given games, Butts chucked in the deep end, McAsey tried up forward, defenders Talia and Kelly let go and I dare say Mackay as well contrary to what we were told.

I feel it gives hope that McAsey or Worrell can turn it around also and provide significant upside and that goes for Milera as well. He was travelling pretty well in 2018 during all the garb that was going on. Lincoln McCarthy

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Lincoln Mccarthy

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82kg

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4.9

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2.6

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3.2

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0.9

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5.4

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2.6

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5.4

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3.8

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1.6

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2.2

4star

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0.0

1star

had 4 out of 5 seasons riddled with injuries so all is not lost on Milera.

 

[Sanders]

It's not so much good organisations hire good people but bad organisations hold onto bad people too long

not a bad shout

there was an old saying from a 1980’s “efficiency expert” called Chainsaw Al Dunlap that I liked:

you can’t pay a good CEO too much and a bad one too little

I always used that in my senior hiring, that the difference between the right and the wrong person was enormous.

getting it right matters.

one of my favourite 3rd party partner organisations used to run the line “quick to hire, quick to fire”

variations on the same theme

 

[Sanders]

Bad organisations also tend to promote bad people.

I don’t think that’s true

bad organisations don’t know the difference

 

[Sanders]

Murray had a good first season. Even better when you consider how back he started from

he’s someone who deserves and will get the chance to benefit from a full and proper preseason

I for one am looking forward to seeing what he does with it. I am feeling positive about him as a player, he is a guy fearless in the air who attacks the ball at its apex. They are valuable traits to have

he’s tracking nicely IMO

 

[StickerMan]

Murray had a good first season. Even better when you consider how back he started from

he’s someone who deserves and will get the chance to benefit from a full and proper preseason

I for one am looking forward to seeing what he does with it. I am feeling positive about him as a player, he is a guy fearless in the air who attacks the ball at its apex. They are valuable traits to have

he’s tracking nicely IMO

Has a strong pair if hands and kicks like a mule!

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[Gtowncrow]

It was an experiment, nothing more. Frampton is a dismal failure as a forward, but appeared competent when they played him in defence. They wanted to have another look at him in defence, before writing him off completely.

Given the young & inexperienced nature of our playing list, I don't have any problem with them experimenting to find players' best positions. For example, moving Jones from midfield to defence worked beautifully.

Frampton represents a reasonable depth option for our KPDs, but we now know that Murray is definitively better as the primary KPD option (alongside Butts).

I like mixing things up until we find our best combinations and positions.
That said, I'd like to see a Murray experiment playing him forward. He has shown that he possesses something worth looking at more deeply.
In a post Walker era, TT, fog and Murray would be an interesting mix of KPF. Adding Dawson on the flank as a Fritsch type and now the forward line has weapons!

Rankine in a pocket might have a Nice feel to that too...

 

[Gtowncrow]

He came off of no AFL preseason so did really well to play as long and as well as he did. Now he gets a full AFL preseason..under Burgess so I think we can reasonably hope to see him improve next year

I think Murray in a few years will be a very imposing presence wherever he plays. Will develop into a monster!

 

[Mego Red]

If you think Murray ended badly I suggest you watch again.

I literally just watched every single possession and one percenter he had in his final game. They're cut together in the AFL app.

He was ineffectual. It's fine, but we should be careful we don't overstate the likelihood of him succeeding.

 

[Golumless]

I like mixing things up until we find our best combinations and positions.
That said, I'd like to see a Murray experiment playing him forward. He has shown that he possesses something worth looking at more deeply.
In a post Walker era, TT, fog and Murray would be an interesting mix of KPF. Adding Dawson on the flank as a Fritsch type and now the forward line has weapons!

Rankine in a pocket might have a Nice feel to that too...

Nah, it's likely not worth it as we have Gollant in the wings as a third tall, and that kid is one of our brighter talents.

 

[Cap]

I literally just watched every single possession and one percenter he had in his final game. They're cut together in the AFL app.

He was ineffectual. It's fine, but we should be careful we don't overstate the likelihood of him succeeding.

On a side note, how good are those highlights on the app.

 

[WeeBlake]

Murray had a good first season. Even better when you consider how back he started from

he’s someone who deserves and will get the chance to benefit from a full and proper preseason

I for one am looking forward to seeing what he does with it. I am feeling positive about him as a player, he is a guy fearless in the air who attacks the ball at its apex. They are valuable traits to have

he’s tracking nicely IMO

Agree. Butts Murray Doedee is perfectly fine to plan for the future with. All have many years ahead of them. No need to spend any significant draft or trade capital on kpds for the next few years. Frampton/Borlase depth. Even maybe Berg/Gollant/Worrell in a real pinch.We should trade Macasey now while he still has some value.

 

[hey shorty]

I literally just watched every single possession and one percenter he had in his final game. They're cut together in the AFL app.

He was ineffectual. It's fine, but we should be careful we don't overstate the likelihood of him succeeding.

Wow you watched it again and still came to that conclusion.

Interesting

 

[Gtowncrow]

Nah, it's likely not worth it as we have Gollant in the wings as a third tall, and that kid is one of our brighter talents.

Gollant did look okay too. He's definately another player to experiment with. BTW... do you think Dawson and Gollant might be competing for the third tall spot? That's if Murray stays down back.
It's nice to feel we have options going forward.

 

[Golumless]

Gollant did look okay too. He's definately another player to experiment with. BTW... do you think Dawson and Gollant might be competing for the third tall spot? That's if Murray stays down back.
It's nice to feel we have options going forward.

Nope. Dawson won't be a third tall. He's a wing and will likely be played as such.

It's likely between Gollant/McAdam/Cook for that third tall, or medium forward role. In saying that, if Gollant is healthy, he'll have that spot sewn up pretty quickly as Cook can also double up as a wing/forward. The kid is a big time talent.

 

[WeeBlake]

I guess this thread is a good spot to talk about mcasey’s value.

I know he’s a young kpp and they take time, but on what we have seen so far there is every reason to be worried. He’s already obviously behind butts and Murray, and maybe even Frampton, on our coaches’ kpd depth chart. He has never played a really good game at AFL level, and I am not aware of him ever having played a breakout game at SANFL level. Again, I know, he’s young, but it’s worrying that we haven’t really seen any signs pointing to a really good player yet.

despite this, I get the feeling people on here value him highly still. Why? Is if because we picked him so high? His junior career?He is not fast, or super competitive, or an amazing mark. He’s not a great runner. He’s not an incredible kick.

I think he’s probably worth something in the pick 20 to 30 range at the moment. To us, he’s probably worth even less, precisely because we don’t really need kpds. We’d be better off with another young pick 20-30 mid or small forward than continuing to hope he eventually gets to a schache-level career.

 

[Mego Red]

Wow you watched it again and still came to that conclusion.

Interesting

GO

WATCH

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[Mego Red]

I guess this thread is a good spot to talk about mcasey’s value.

I know he’s a young kpp and they take time, but on what we have seen so far there is every reason to be worried. He’s already obviously behind butts and Murray, and maybe even Frampton, on our coaches’ kpd depth chart. He has never played a really good game at AFL level, and I am not aware of him ever having played a breakout game at SANFL level. Again, I know, he’s young, but it’s worrying that we haven’t really seen any signs pointing to a really good player yet.

despite this, I get the feeling people on here value him highly still. Why? Is if because we picked him so high? His junior career?He is not fast, or super competitive, or an amazing mark. He’s not a great runner. He’s not an incredible kick.

I think he’s probably worth something in the pick 20 to 30 range at the moment. To us, he’s probably worth even less, precisely because we don’t really need kpds. We’d be better off with another young pick 20-30 mid or small forward than continuing to hope he eventually gets to a schache-level career.

I think he has some very good positional smarts, his hands are good when intercepting and he has very good disposal.

He seemed miles off it physically last season. Just never got going. Mentally seemed shot as well.

He was very impressive when he was drafted, and I think he can possibly be a good intercepting and attacking key defender, with Butts being more lockdown. I think he has genuine upside.

Let's give him a genuine off season and we'll see where we're at.

 

[hey shorty]

GO

WATCH

IT.

Done so, and I along with many others see it differently to you.

 

[Dangarman]

How much extra help do Gold Coast need? They finished above us last year and only percentage behind us this year, and they get a free kick with an end first round pick?

And their list management sounds like a crap shoot if they have signed 38 senior players already. How do you get a contracted player on to the rookie list?

 

[Dangarman]

GC guy on trade radio, says that there were some blokes looking for 'more opportunity'. Will Brodie

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Will Brodie

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27

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190cm

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89kg

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19.0

5star

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8.2

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10.8

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3.1

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4.9

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4.1

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14.0

3star

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4.0

1star

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10.0

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3.0

3star

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1.0

2star

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3.0

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13.8

4star

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7.4

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6.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

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5.4

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2.8

5star

and Darcy McPherson were names that came up, although in fairness it was the TR guy that mention McPherson, and the GC guy watered it down a bit.

Will be looking to trade into next year's draft. No wonder, with all the extra draft picks they've been gifted. They are likely to get more draft picks if they're trading players out. So even without further concessions they will hold a strong hand next year.

Would McPherson be of interest as the 5th player we need if we take 3 in the draft and rookie list ROC? He's only 23, has 62 games (same as Milera) and got 3rd in their B&F 2019.

But if you're struggling to get a game at GC, is there any other club that would consider you best 22?

 

[Mego Red]

Personally, I'd like to trade 23 and a 2022 3rd for Dawson - and trade our 2022 2nd for the GCS pick 22.

 

[jamesclean]

not a bad shout

there was an old saying from a 1980’s “efficiency expert” called Chainsaw Al Dunlap that I liked:

you can’t pay a good CEO too much and a bad one too little

I always used that in my senior hiring, that the difference between the right and the wrong person was enormous.

getting it right matters.

one of my favourite 3rd party partner organisations used to run the line “quick to hire, quick to fire”

variations on the same theme

Tom Lynch might have been our linkman, but Sanders is our LINKEDIN! I love it <3 <3