Adelaide's decline

[Coach_Required]

They did this deliberately to take the gloss off my 2017 GF blueray collection

 

[JHF1870]

I know I'm not going to be popular here, but I think Roo needs to get out of the way.

 

[PAFC_1870]

I know I'm not going to be popular here, but I think Roo needs to get out of the way.

Don't worry, the vast majority of sensible Crows fans would agree

 

[Coaster2012]

Got to feel for Gibbs. Was almost an A grade midfielder at Carlton, and now he can't even get a game in a non finals side. What happened?

 

[dean33]

Could be down to vico bias

 

[dean33]

Got to feel for Gibbs. Was almost an A grade midfielder at Carlton, and now he can't even get a game in a non finals side. What happened?

Feel sorry for Gibbs? He left a shit team and since he has arrived they have gone from runner up to same as the team he left. Talk about the Midas touch...

 

[1990crow]

Got to feel for Gibbs. Was almost an A grade midfielder at Carlton, and now he can't even get a game in a non finals side. What happened?

He got paid and now doesn't give two shits.

 

[1990crow]

Feel sorry for Gibbs? He left a shit team and since he has arrived they have gone from runner up to same as the team he left. Talk about the Midas touch...

Exactly. Maybe he just never was any good but made to look ok given he got given the ball a lot.

 

[dean33]

Exactly. Maybe he just never was any good but made to look ok given he got given the ball a lot.

Gibbs was a good player in his prime, not a great player, not a match winner just a good player. His prime is well and truly over however. And for where the crows are you might as well play a kid in his place.

 

[1990crow]

Gibbs was a good player in his prime, not a great player, not a match winner just a good player. His prime is well and truly over however. And for where the crows are you might as well play a kid in his place.

That already happened on the weekend. Seems like the line has been put through him.
Next minute our idiot football department panics after the drubbing, drops someone like McHenry for Gibbs.

 

[Damon_3388]

It's staggering to see how far they have fallen

Proud club but the effort v Port was woeful

Are their off field issues at play?

The Crows have finished in the top 4 twice in the past decade. They've also finished 10th or below 6 times in the past decade. They've got much more of a record of mediocrity recently than they do of great success. They have decent seasons often enough, and have a consistent, stable support and financial base, so people seem to think they're more successful than they actually are.

Most were picking Adelaide to be a bottom 4-6 side this year, and they'll probably end up right in that range. So what is all the fuss about, exactly?

Yeah, they looked extra insipid and unimpressive on the weekend, but these are also unprecedented circumstances for all clubs, and they came up against a side in Port whose exact strengths (contested ball, tackling, doing the hard stuff) are the Crows' biggest weaknesses, so I don't think this is really that big a deal outside of Adelaide, is it?

 

[Gavin Excell]

The Crows have finished in the top 4 twice in the past decade. They've also finished 10th or below 6 times in the past decade. They've got much more of a record of mediocrity recently than they do of great success. They have decent seasons often enough, and have a consistent, stable support and financial base, so people seem to think they're more successful than they actually are.

Most were picking Adelaide to be a bottom 4-6 side this year, and they'll probably end up right in that range. So what is all the fuss about, exactly?

Yeah, they looked extra insipid and unimpressive on the weekend, but these are also unprecedented circumstances for all clubs, and they came up against a side in Port whose exact strengths (contested ball, tackling, doing the hard stuff) are the Crows' biggest weaknesses, so I don't think this is really that big a deal outside of Adelaide, is it?

Think it's because only 2 years ago they entered a GF as favourite which makes the collapse all the more noteworthy

 

[Alwaysacrow]

They will struggle to win games this year, Nicks could be sacked before the season is done, very meh and seems out of his depth.

I wasn't too thrilled with his appointment in the 1st place and his press conference after the showdown was extremely concerning.....sounded clueless to me but the suggestion that he'll be sacked before the end of the year is never going to happen. Crows have gone for a complete re-build in a season when they may not even play anymore games at AO. Even if they don't win a game for the rest of the year Nick's will no doubt be there next year.

 

[Rod Stroker]

Feel sorry for Gibbs? He left a shit team and since he has arrived they have gone from runner up to same as the team he left. Talk about the Midas touch...

In his case it's the reverse midas

 

[Alwaysacrow]

Don't worry, the vast majority of sensible Crows fans would agree

You may be right. Before I'd get rid of him though I'd turf Fagan.
He came here with so many bold promises and has achieved very little. He's a complete fraud.
A fish rots from the head.

 

[Damon_3388]

Think it's because only 2 years ago they entered a GF as favourite which makes the collapse all the more noteworthy

We're they really favourites going into that GF? Felt like it was even at best, with Richmond arguably having more momentum going into it.

We've also had two full seasons, three full off-seasons, and a pandemic in between. It's not the same squad as 2017, and they're just not as good, and nobody was predicting them to be good this season.

 

[Rad Roo]

You won't get any reasonable debate out of quite a few Crows supporters who have been in deflection/denial mode for... well forever. I read people in here saying "Nah it's only the die hards who still defend the club, basically everyone knows there is change needed now" but it's simply not true.

The Crows supporters who have been jumping up and down that there is something wrong at the club, change is needed etc. for a couple of years now, have been lambasted the entire time and from I can tell, have been in the minority. I've attempted to have discussions with Crows posters on (have given up on this, cannot even breath without getting a card) and off their board and the denial and excuses are strong. It might be getting close to undeniable now and the numbers have shifted, but the amount of club apologists Adelaide has had is staggering and to be honest, is a fair part of the problem.

As i have mentioned in a previous post, nothing is wrong inherintly with adelaid save that their professional practice with player development and career path is very much 20 years behind vic

 

[BronCrow]

Not all doom gloom at the Crows.

Club obviously know where it is at.

Haven't tried to top up and have gone and got a stack of young kids.

So some pain coming up in the next 2 or 3 years but if they draft and recruit well they can come back up pretty quickly.

Plenty of salary cap room.

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on that. I don't think the club really are aware of how bad things are, and how badly they are perceived. It is also my understanding that Nicks was picked as coach as he told the club in the interview process that a full rebuild was not necessarily required, when all in sundry on here can see that it is.

Up until the start of this year, they were not playing the kids. Senior players at the club had a sense of entitlement, that they believed that they had a god given right to be picked every week if fit. The fact that David Mackay was given a new contract at the end of last year, when not one supporter I know thinks he should have been, suggests that not full embracement of playing kids has occurred.

There will be some pain to come, which is fine if we only play kids and don't continue to gift games to Walker, Atkins, Gibbs, Mackay and Hartigan. I also have no confidence that anything will change as far as recruitment goes. The same people that built the current list are still in charge, one is a long term employee of the club and the other is the son of the former Football Manager. Do excuse my pessimism.

 

[BronCrow]

You won't get any reasonable debate out of quite a few Crows supporters who have been in deflection/denial mode for... well forever. I read people in here saying "Nah it's only the die hards who still defend the club, basically everyone knows there is change needed now" but it's simply not true.

The Crows supporters who have been jumping up and down that there is something wrong at the club, change is needed etc. for a couple of years now, have been lambasted the entire time and from I can tell, have been in the minority. I've attempted to have discussions with Crows posters on (have given up on this, cannot even breath without getting a card) and off their board and the denial and excuses are strong. It might be getting close to undeniable now and the numbers have shifted, but the amount of club apologists Adelaide has had is staggering and to be honest, is a fair part of the problem.

Hammer, Nail, Head. I rarely go on our board for that reason. I think I am written off on there because of it.

Better still, go on Facebook to the clubs page. Anyone who dare critiques the club is told they are not a true supporter.

 

[BronCrow]

You may be right. Before I'd get rid of him though I'd turf Fagan.
He came here with so many bold promises and has achieved very little. He's a complete fraud.
A fish rots from the head.

Whilst I think you are mostly right about Fagan, the board need to go first. I wonder how much Fagan has tried to get done that the board has knocked back?

 

[Damon_3388]

Up until the start of this year, they were not playing the kids. Senior players at the club had a sense of entitlement, that they believed that they had a god given right to be picked every week if fit. The fact that David Mackay was given a new contract at the end of last year, when not one supporter I know thinks he should have been, suggests that not full embracement of playing kids has occurred.

There will be some pain to come, which is fine if we only play kids and don't continue to gift games to Walker, Atkins, Gibbs, Mackay and Hartigan. I also have no confidence that anything will change as far as recruitment goes. The same people that built the current list are still in charge, one is a long term employee of the club and the other is the son of the former Football Manager. Do excuse my pessimism.

Surely Mackay is unspokenly SANFL-only this year.

Couldn't believe that last 5 year deal he got at the time, and it's surprising that he was re-signed again after that ended. He's an outdated carryover from that conservative, Neil Craig-led culture (which led to Nathan Van Berlo being made captain), where being a good trainer and a good citizen took precedence over everything else. Really should have been turfed as a best 22 player after the GF loss, but his contract length and tenure at the club has gifted him another 35 games since. Would have to legitimately be among the most mediocre players to reach 200 VFL/AFL games (currently at 220 and counting).

 

[Rad Roo]

Feel sorry for Gibbs? He left a shit team and since he has arrived they have gone from runner up to same as the team he left. Talk about the Midas touch...

ummmm carlton isn't shit anymore?

 

[BronCrow]

Surely Mackay is unspokenly SANFL-only this year.

Couldn't believe that last 5 year deal he got at the time, and it's surprised that he was re-signed again after that ended. He's an outdated carryover from that conservative, Neil Craig-led culture (which led to Nathan Van Berlo being made captain), where being a good trainer and a good citizen took precedence over everything else. Really should have been turfed as a best 22 player after the GF loss, but his contract length and tenure at the club has gifted him another 35 games since. Would have to legitimately be among the most mediocre players to reach 200 VFL/AFL games (currently at 220 and counting).

My other posts are the exact reason that I have no confidence that Mackay is strictly SANFL only. Even less so without there being a Crows SANFL side (which there should never have been in the first place, but that is another story).

I suspect nobody on this site believes that it was a good idea to sign him to such a long term deal. Can think of only one other player who has played as much and been as close to mediocre. Funnily enough that is Michael Doughty, who also played for the Adelaide Football Club. Your profile states that you are a Norwood supporter like myself, surely you must be mystified like me how David Mackay has played so much more football than Mitch Grigg in the AFL.

 

[Damon_3388]

My other posts are the exact reason that I have no confidence that Mackay is strictly SANFL only. Even less so without there being a Crows SANFL side (which there should never have been in the first place, but that is another story).

I suspect nobody on this site believes that it was a good idea to sign him to such a long term deal. Can think of only one other player who has played as much and been as close to mediocre. Funnily enough that is Michael Doughty, who also played for the Adelaide Football Club.

I did think of Doughty when making my last post. I seem to recall him being a bit more consistently reliable and able to do a better job defensively than Mackay, though. A bit more of an "honest toiler, playing within his limitations", kind of like a Luke Brown type, if he pushed up more up the field.

Your profile states that you are a Norwood supporter like myself, surely you must be mystified like me how David Mackay has played so much more football than Mitch Grigg in the AFL.

Mackay and Grigg are different types of midfielders, but I'd say Grigg is far more of what the Crows have needed in the last few years than Mackay is. Grigg would have been a very poor man's Dangerfield type. I would have also kept and given more opportunity to Jarryd 'Sub Rule' Lyons as well, going back a ways, but that's a different story.

 

[dean33]

ummmm carlton isn't shit anymore?

No I don’t think we can pin Carlton’s 20 years of shitness on Gibbs.