Adelaide's decline

[philthy05]

Please make a list of all the clubs and picks where players were taken ahead of other players that turned out better.

It will be a very long list, all clubs will be on the list.

I will wait.

What are you talking about?

Poster pointed out the crows made a series of draft bungles picking draft busts with high picks

Which is true

Poster pointed out that there were good to great players available at those picks


all teams hit and miss on draft picks, but crows obviously missed on a quite a few more than normal in that timeframe.

Crows fans themselves admit this and lament their poor drafting over those drafts, what a weird hill to die on.

 

[Hinkley29]

What are you talking about?

Poster pointed out the crows made a series of draft bungles picking draft busts with high picks

Which is true

Poster pointed out that there were good to great players available at those picks


all teams hit and miss on draft picks, but crows obviously missed on a quite a few more than normal in that timeframe.

Crows fans themselves admit this and lament their poor drafting over those drafts, what a weird hill to die on.

He chose 4 draft picks in the last 8 years where at least one better player was taken after they made their pick.

That tells us nothing. Every club in the league has done that over the last 8 years.

Take off the port goggles for a second and actually use your big brain.

 

[philthy05]

He chose 4 draft picks in the last 8 years where at least one better player was taken after they made their pick.

That tells us nothing. Every club in the league has done that over the last 8 years.

Take off the port goggles for a second and actually use your big brain.

They picked an era where they bungled a bunch of draft picks in.

It’s relevant and highlights a problem with the crows current list.

Also, how the hell is it “port goggles”

Crows fans themselves lament those draft choices.

Again, what a bizarre hill to die on.

 

[Hinkley29]

They picked an era where they bungled a bunch of draft picks in.

It’s relevant and highlights a problem with the crows current list.

Also, how the hell is it “port goggles”

Crows fans themselves lament those draft choices.

Again, what a bizarre hill to die on.

Again, every club in the league bungled draft picks over that period. And a number of them still managed to be successful.

4 bungled draft picks over 8 years is not the reason for the crows lack of success. If it was there would no successful clubs in the league.

Do some real analysis

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Nicks has never impressed me.

Can't understand why Adelaide renewed him. What was the rush?

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

One player. What club doesn’t have an injury.

You missed the point

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

I never said they're bad. You seem to be missing the point.

The forward unit was really good in 2023, primarily on the back of a career year from Tex Walker. Can the support cast take the next step in 2024 or will you once again be reliant on a 33/34 year old?

Lol wtf how am I missing the point ? Your making straw man arguments, I never said you said they were bad but o think they’re better than your claining


it seems your the one that’s missed the point

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

There drafting has been trash since they bottomed out. 6 or so years into a rebuild and feels like they are really only 1-2 years into it based on the holes in their list still.

They have been somewhat saved by the fact Dawson and Rankine wanted to come home which has papered over the cracks. Remove them and they are in an absolute world of pain.

No one they have drafted since bottoming out is within their best players and pushing them forward. That’s a massive fail given the number of first round and high first round picks they’ve had.

Dawson and Rankine is good recruiting, every club would look a hell of a lot worse if you refused to acknowledge two of their best players. Humphrey and Weddle were taken with the traded first rounders, fair to say the Crows have come out on top there.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Dawson and Rankine is good recruiting, every club would look a hell of a lot worse if you refused to acknowledge two of their best players. Humphrey and Weddle were taken with the traded first rounders, fair to say the Crows have come out on top there.

I’m not disputing that they aren’t good players.

I’m saying that they somewhat paper over the cracks of their poor drafting and in house development in recent years.

If neither of those players decided they wanted to come home and stayed at their clubs, with the players Adelaide have drafted recently they would be in an incredibly deep hole.

Those 2 are just about their best players. If they didn’t come, it would shine a bright light on how poor their drafting has been and expose their massive holes.

 

[Jeremias]

Lol wtf how am I missing the point ? Your making straw man arguments, I never said you said they were bad but o think they’re better than your claining

Straw man arguments?

There’s no straw man about suggesting Adelaide’s forward line needs to lift around Tex.

Nor is there about correcting you when you say “The rest are better than your are claiming”.

I never said they’re bad. I said they need to be better.

See the difference? It’s a pretty clear one I would’ve thought.

it seems your the one that’s missed the point

I made the point.

Whatever you’ve decided to waffle on about isn’t it.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Straw man arguments?

There’s no straw man about suggesting Adelaide’s forward line needs to lift around Tex.

Nor is there about correcting you when you say “The rest are better than your are claiming”.

I never said they’re bad. I said they need to be better.

See the difference? It’s a pretty clear one I would’ve thought.



I made the point.

Whatever you’ve decided to waffle on about isn’t it.

You’ve done it again. You keep saying “I didn’t they were bad”, when I never said you did.

 

[Jeremias]

You’ve done it again. You keep saying “I didn’t they were bad”, when I never said you did.

So you don’t think they need to be better? Happy to rely on a 33/34 year old again?

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

So you don’t think they need to be better? Happy to rely on a 33/34 year old again?

Ffs you’re not reading what I’m saying

 

[le dominateur]

Glorious to see, long may it continue.


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[aussierulesrules]

The “St Kilda in no man’s land” thread ought to be handed over to Adelaide. They look to be smack-bang in there now, without the mass of young talent to drive them forward, being very reliant on an almost 34yo Tex, but likely to not be so bad that they’ll get the really high picks they really need to add elite young midfield talent.

Can see them throwing the absolute farm at Phillipou though, so it will be interesting to see how that pans out. He’s not currently showing anywhere near enough to warrant the sort of contract Adelaide will surely offer him, so perhaps we’ll just take a couple of firsts for him and hit the draft with two firsts and two future firsts (minus a second or two).

I suspect he’ll be terrific, but we’ll most likely have to overpay him for as long as he stays, so cashing out for a great return wouldn’t be the worst result.

 

[Jeremias]

Ffs you’re not reading what I’m saying

And you for some reason refuse to answer very straightforward questions.

Why?

 

[Port 2004]

He chose 4 draft picks in the last 8 years where at least one better player was taken after they made their pick.

That tells us nothing. Every club in the league has done that over the last 8 years.

Take off the port goggles for a second and actually use your big brain.

Wake up. They have had a lot more misses than most other clubs in recent years and they are now paying the price. It is not an anti Crow sentiment it is fact. Why introduce the Port goggles rubbish.

 

[philthy05]

I do think curtain has the capability to turn into one of the big hits for them though. Has the earmarks of a top chb in the league.

And won’t they need it with that plodding midfield

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I’m not disputing that they aren’t good players.

I’m saying that they somewhat paper over the cracks of their poor drafting and in house development in recent years.

If neither of those players decided they wanted to come home and stayed at their clubs, with the players Adelaide have drafted recently they would be in an incredibly deep hole.

Those 2 are just about their best players. If they didn’t come, it would shine a bright light on how poor their drafting has been and expose their massive holes.

But if they had Humphrey and Weddle their crop of kids would look much better.

 

[Handyandy]

Crows did spud up a few drafts after bottoming out. Drafting in the last few years has been ok. My only criticism is why so many forwards?. Lots of high draft pick forwards seems odd. Not inline with need. Dumped Stengel & macadam to replace with rachelle/ rankine?
Then hoping they will all transfer to part time mids?
For me a lot rolls on tex & some senior crows. Long season. They have a long time to recover

 

[philthy05]

Crows did spud up a few drafts after bottoming out. Drafting in the last few years has been ok. My only criticism is why so many forwards?. Lots of high draft pick forwards seems odd. Not inline with need. Dumped Stengel & macadam to replace with rachelle/ rankine?
Then hoping they will all transfer to part time mids?
For me a lot rolls on tex & some senior crows. Long season. They have a long time to recover

Rachele and rankine make perfect sense.


McHenry and pedlar with high draft picks are the odd ones out.

 

[Handyandy]

That pair are decent. But Crows used draft capital on forwards when they need mids!
Stacked forward line but thin midfield
Can the pair transition to even 60/4o mids?

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

And you for some reason refuse to answer very straightforward questions.

Why?

I have answered, you said you don’t think the other players are capable of stepping up, I disagree

 

[Handyandy]

rachelle and rankine that is who are half decent but does anyone imagine they will transfer to full time mids?

 

[aussierulesrules]

I think with high picks you just take best available.

There are lots on our board who still say things like “why did we take two hbfers in Clark and Coffield, at 7 and 8, when we needed “mids”?” despite the fact that years later, there was only about 1 genuine “mid” taken in the next 30 picks who’s done any good.

Whereas we famously took McCartin over Petracca because we needed a key forward and thought it was getting too expensive to go to market and buy one.

Just take best available and figure the rest out later. You’re not going to build a whole, balanced list in two or three drafts.