And what difference does the "context' make?
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AFL overtaking NRL in QLD
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And what difference does the "context' make?
Where does it say this ?
Having more context gives you a clearer picture. Not sure why you are so triggered buddy
At page 33. In the info there are about 900 more female club players and about 700 more overall club players meaning a decline of about 200 males.
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But you haven't explained what the difference in context is.
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The first 3 count, including the school comps, the one I question is the 150k participation for the 'School intro programs'.
Edit that* Maybe you can count it, it might not just be a suns or lions player showing up for a day, but an actual school program over a number of weeks. If that is the case (the website made me click about 5x so maybe ended up somewhere different), that would be very very impressive.
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Sporting Schools has partnered with AFL to deliver Australian football in schools across Australia.www.sportaus.gov.au
I question whether the AFLQ Schools Cup participants are meaningful either. There are a select group of SE QLD schools within Schools of Excellence, AIC comps etc which have established programs, regular trainings and games. However, the vast majority of students included within the ‘school comp participants’ would rock up at a venue for one day each year to play a gala day. The majority of these schools would then be relegated from the school’s cup.
In these preliminary stages of the comp it’s basically a bunch of kids with little attachment to the sport who show up to give it a go and get a day off school. Many of them wouldn’t get any further opportunities to participate in footy for the remainder of the year. I am a teacher in SE QLD and I’d say they’re definitely fudging the numbers there too.
So let's give some context here. Queensland Rugby League reported in 2022 that there were 64,566 participants across community clubs and statewide competitions. I assume this is a direct comparison to AFL Queensland 30,531 community club participants, which would implying rugby league still has double the amount of club participants when compared to Aussie rules in Queensland. Now let's break it down even further:
Male: RL 55,121 vs AR 24,351
Female: RL 9455, AR 6180
Juniors: RL 49,746, AR 20,093
Seniors: RL 14,820, AR 9056
QRL records growth across key participation sectors
Queensland Rugby League is pleased to report significant participation growth across all demographics, with player registrations up by nearly five per cent.
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So let's give some context here. Queensland Rugby League reported in 2022 that there were 64,566 participants across community clubs and statewide competitions. I assume this is a direct comparison to AFL Queensland 30,531 community club participants, which would implying rugby league still has double the amount of club participants when compared to Aussie rules in Queensland. Now let's break it down even further:
Male: RL 55,121 vs AR 24,351
Female: RL 9455, AR 6180
Juniors: RL 49,746, AR 20,093
Seniors: RL 14,820, AR 9056
QRL records growth across key participation sectors
Queensland Rugby League is pleased to report significant participation growth across all demographics, with player registrations up by nearly five per cent.
This is including tag and touch though isn't it, which to my understanding they didn't previously do. They started doing it to cover the drop in actual rugby league. Well that's what my mate tells me that is a rugby league coach in QLD, not sure if that's right.
I won't pretend like I know if that's true but I'm pretty sure I remember the NRL essentially taking over Touch Footy in Australia at some point in the last 10 years so perhaps you're right and those participation numbers include both. In which case the participation numbers may be a lot closer both RL & AR in Queensland.
I saw this recently. So yeah Australian football club participants almost matches 'actual' rugby league in NSW and isn't too far off in QLD. There is a good reason the leaguies get so upset every time AFL is mentioned, it's a threat.
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If I were the AFL, I'd definitely be looking to keep expanding in Queensland and New South Wales in the future, not WA or SA which is already converted. I'd be trying to add two more NSW teams, one in the Hunter region, the other in the Illawarra region. In Queensland, I'd be looking to eventually add a Sunshine Coast team and a hybrid NT-FNQ team. In addition to Tasmania and Canberra to round out full representation, that's a 24 team competition. No need to go beyond that unless you're prepared to split the league into North-West AFL and South-East AFL.
Then again, I've seen in this thread amazement that Brisbane is only now getting a 2nd NRL team in a state which is supposed to be rugby mad. So look, who knows, maybe it's better to go where the fans are, but if you do include a WA3 or even a SA3, you will blow out beyond 24 teams if your goal is also to add more NSW and QLD teams and you bet that's what the AFL want. So, who knows.
Then again, I've seen in this thread amazement that Brisbane is only now getting a 2nd NRL team in a state which is supposed to be rugby mad. So look, who knows, maybe it's better to go where the fans are, but if you do include a WA3 or even a SA3, you will blow out beyond 24 teams if your goal is also to add more NSW and QLD teams and you bet that's what the AFL want. So, who knows.
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I don’t think Qld is as rugby league mad as you’d suspect. I live in the SE and the average person on the street couldn’t give a stuff about footy (of any code). The only time they all come out of the woodwork is during state of origin.
Before I moved to Brisbane I had the expectation that people here would follow their NRL clubs as passionately as we do down south with AFL. On average, that’s simply not the case. There are pockets where RL support is noticeably stronger, such as Logan, and I’ve heard the further North and West you go in Qld it’s certainly the case as well. However, that’s not where the major population centres are.
Without a doubt I’m living in my own little AFL bubble, but when I talk to other people who have been around Australia, they always make similar comments - even if they don’t follow footy.
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Not quite. Oztag remains separate to the NRL. League tag is the NRLs own variant. Touch footy is associated to the NRL.
"Sports club participation". OK, so I'm guessing actual figures not some b.s. phone poll.
So more adults play golf than some team sports combined (with THEIR both junior and senior participants to boot).
Almost the same for tennis, but tennis has junior participation
Netball equates to the sum of the two contact football codes.
Swimming is obviously very popular but all those people members of a swimming club ? Who swims competitively ?
Cricket doesn't add up to the sum of winter team sports - is that because of basketball and touch?
NSW is a soccer state with but does every 15th person play soccer competitively ?
The NRL got the exact desired result today in the Dolphins' first ever match by beating the highly fancied Roosters in front of 32k people at Suncorp Stadium. There's another serious competitor in the Brisbane market now!
Fortunately for us (Gold Coast) their impact will be minimal to none. I'd be a bit worried if I was associated with the Lions though.
Why? We aren’t going anywhere, we are the only team in Brisbane. Low crowds and TV ratings are secondary to on field performance.
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... because there's another team in your market that's quite possibly more popular than yours? Do you not see why that could potentially be an issue for the Lions?
The Dolphins junior academy takes in the northern suburbs, Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast areas (just like the Lions) and is absolutely massive in terms of total participants. I'm sure it's only going to grow now that they have access to NRL broadcasting/sponsorship/stadium revenues. What about the casual sports fan in Brisbane who is looking for something to do during the winter months but isn't particularly keen on the Broncos or the Broncos happen to be playing away that weekend? Well now they have the option to go to a Dolphins home game instead of the Lions. I can keep going but I think you get the point.
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Today’s result also makes a mockery of the AFL’s introduction of expansion clubs. Perhaps some lessons for the AFL to learn if the NRL can introduce a club that wins their very first game. An enormous contrast to what transpired with the Suns and Giants being hugely uncompetitive for their first few seasons.
Yep, missed the honeymoon period of a new team by bringing in clubs that were completely uncompetitive. A lot of mistakes made, especially in non traditional footy markets.
Okay good point, forgot about the talent pool. Well, what can be done? You’d hope the AFL aren’t seriously thinking about another Brisbane team as team 20. Won’t take off like the rugby team seems to have.
Some argue that if the NRL puts a team in Perth that the AFL will try to one up them with a new Perth team. These code wars are stupid.
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If the AFL allowed a club to recruit the way the Dolphins have the other clubs would riot.
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Sorry but complete nonsense
The Dolphins are a new NRL franchise in a saturated NRL market. They are competing for interest overwhelmingly in that saturated market.
Maybe its the fact that the NRL doesn't have much of a recent history with expansion that it doesn't get how it works?
The Dolphins are a new franchise in a saturated market with limited enduring justification for many people to support them. There is almost certainly many times more volumes of pain ahead of them than growth vibes. There will far more into existining NRL interest than they will in to Brisbane Lions / AFL interest not matter how much some delude themselves
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