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It was always good to just have SOMETHING on beforehand.
Even if the ressies come back however, you won't see them playing before the seniors because the AFL wouldn't allow so much traffic on the grounds to keep them in as good a condition as possible.
They are trying to avoid the mud heaps of yesteryear.
Even if the ressies come back however, you won't see them playing before the seniors because the AFL wouldn't allow so much traffic on the grounds to keep them in as good a condition as possible.
They are trying to avoid the mud heaps of yesteryear.
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The grounds cannot handle the wear and tear.
Will never happen.
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Hmm. I used to love an old curtain raiser, but I think the feeder club systems work well.
It has allowed for the likes of Mitchell, Priddis, McGlynn, Edwards etc to play against AFL listed guys and show their ability. For AFL reserves to come back, not only would lists need to be much larger (and therefore salary caps) but once a bloke missed out on the draft, it would probably be career over.
And then there's the surfaces.
It has allowed for the likes of Mitchell, Priddis, McGlynn, Edwards etc to play against AFL listed guys and show their ability. For AFL reserves to come back, not only would lists need to be much larger (and therefore salary caps) but once a bloke missed out on the draft, it would probably be career over.
And then there's the surfaces.
Well if lists were larger then more players would get on to AFL lists to start off with. The blokes who missed getting drafted would actually get drafted initially just to fill a spot in a reserves side. Players would also get a longer crack at AFL instead of being delisted after only 2 years.
About time. The state Leagues have become a farce
There is nothing stopping you from still going and seeing box hill play
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I think it's say the reserves Grand final played before the senior Grand final at the mcg started in 1992
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That can't be right either, as the Fitzroy reserves beat the Geelong reserves in the curtain raiser in 1989.
So what will happens to teams like Port Melbourne,Willimastown etc in the VFL?
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Probably stay in the VFL and play promoted VAFA teams?
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...gues-with-the-return-of-the-reserves.1188408/
The state leagues were all dead in terms of meaning once the VFL expanded to all the main states and so all the best players from each state in the one main league. However, I feel for the clubs with so much history and heritage of our game. Clubs like Port Melbourne, Williamstown, Norwood, Glenelg and the traditional WAFL clubs need to be looked after but the solution for mine is to re-purpose their function as a club. With the AFL taking nearly all the talent these clubs are left with nothing in essence. However if we turn these leagues that once were strong senior grade state leagues into under 21 leagues and these clubs get all the best 16 to 20 year olds for each state not in AFL clubs then it gives them all a meaning and purpose to be the best club to develop the teenagers for each state and also the ones not drafted play on until the get beyond 21 years of age. So make these State Youth Leagues with 8 to 10 clubs each state. This would replace the TAC Cup and hand over the best teenagers to be developed by the clubs such as Port Melbourne, Williamstown, Sandringham, Frankston, Coburg, Nowood, East Perth etc etc.
There would be a real sense of pride when their best youngsters get drafted and also pride in the ones that did not get drafted at 18 stayed on at same club and possibly get drafted when they 20 and 21 if they mature slower. So these clubs would be running with teenagers from 16 up to 21 year olds. When you are 22 it is time to move on to suburban or country leagues or for those still hoping to get into AFL system they can be considered for top up players for reserves of AFL clubs.
So scrap the under 18's and expand to under 21's and hand over the running of these kids to these clubs with such rich history for over 100 years. Some of the current TAC Cups may stay on into it if a youth league wants to be a 10 club league rather than 8. Calder Cannons for example may continue and end up playing the clubs such as Port Melbourne and Williamstown.
Maybe the Victorian Youth State League would be something like
Port Melbourne
Williamstown
Sandringham
Frankston Dolphins
Calder Cannons
Geelong Falcons
Preston Bullants
Box Hill Mustangs
Coburg Lions
Casey Scorpions
and a few struggling clubs like Werribee, North Ballarat and Preston join local suburban leagues
In other states maybe 8 clubs each youth league. I think it makes the most sense in this century and keeps clubs with great history in our game and whole new meaning and purpose for this century.
If the article says that, the journalist must be as old as you to get it so wrong.
On grand final day used to watch the reserve grade grand final before it every year from time I started watching it live on tv. That was around 1978. Cannot remember the 78 reserves grand final but I do remember my own club playing Fitzroy in the mud at MCG in 1979 before we played Collingwood straight after it in the seniors.
I am fairly sure the reserve grade grand final being the curtain raiser to the grand final even happened as far back as 1930's but there maybe some years it was not for some reasons.
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Interesting but the 1979 grand final of reserves grade was played at night so not sure what I recall seeing before the main grand final in 1979. Fairly sure remember seeing a Fitzroy v Carlton game on tv. Not sure what that was now as it seems the grand final was between North and Collingwood.
Edit: Turns out what I remember seeing was the under 19's grand final between Carlton and Fitzroy that day. Found the scores on this very forum
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/list-of-vfl-afl-reserves-grand-finals-1919-1999.989687/
The league's first night grand final was for the reserves in 1979...ha ha
From wiki..
The reserves premiership, known as the Commodore Cup, was won by North Melbourne. North Melbourne 13.14 (92) defeated Collingwood9.13 (67) in the grand final, held as a stand-alone night match at VFL Park on Friday, 28 September, before a crowd of 6,047.
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According to that article the reserve grade will be "used to experiment with rule changes" - **** me AFL can you please get ****ed
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So basically you are saying the state leagues should become Colts competitions, Who would that benefit?
It will be interesting to see what happens with list sizes and list rules.
At present, we have no NEAFL only players in the same way that a Melbourne based stand alone team would have VFL Listed players (contracted to the club to play VFL). Our NEAFL team is topped up pretty much exclusively by 16/17 yr old academy kids who can play a maximum of (I think) 5 games a year and when it comes to finals we can only play a certain number of AFL listed players (even if they’re fit and healthy and have played the required number of NEAFL games to qualify - unless we play one of the other AFL clubs).
Obviously all of that would have to change. But how? And what opportunities would there be for academy top-ups? Playing NEAFL is an important part of the program but I don’t want to be running out a team made up of 10-15 16/17 year olds against the experience and much bigger bodies of the VFL. It’s kind of ok at the moment facing the likes of Southport or Aspley or Canberra (with the Lions, swans and suns all in the same boat) but the VFL is a hell of a step up in class.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m all for a national reserves comp, but there are issues that a lot of people haven’t thought about.
At present, we have no NEAFL only players in the same way that a Melbourne based stand alone team would have VFL Listed players (contracted to the club to play VFL). Our NEAFL team is topped up pretty much exclusively by 16/17 yr old academy kids who can play a maximum of (I think) 5 games a year and when it comes to finals we can only play a certain number of AFL listed players (even if they’re fit and healthy and have played the required number of NEAFL games to qualify - unless we play one of the other AFL clubs).
Obviously all of that would have to change. But how? And what opportunities would there be for academy top-ups? Playing NEAFL is an important part of the program but I don’t want to be running out a team made up of 10-15 16/17 year olds against the experience and much bigger bodies of the VFL. It’s kind of ok at the moment facing the likes of Southport or Aspley or Canberra (with the Lions, swans and suns all in the same boat) but the VFL is a hell of a step up in class.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m all for a national reserves comp, but there are issues that a lot of people haven’t thought about.
State leagues have been dead since 1990. That is what I am saying.
Lets not pretend that has not happened. It is a shame but a reality of last three decades. Virtually all the best players around the nation are in the AFL. Those leagues had that taken away. We do not have anything state now apart from teenage level. Even senior state of origin has been removed all with state leagues. Those leagues are only state in name, but not meaning.
So, when we face that reality, why pretend they are even coming back? There is no reason.
So the leagues have lost that meaning but those clubs that were historical big parts of them do not need to.
They just re-purpose their own meaning to be the best youth level clubs in each state because least they can get access to the best 17 and 18 year olds. Making them all youth leagues of under 21 and I think we can really have some leagues and clubs below AFL level get some real life in them and pride to strive to be the best youth club in their respective states. To me it is where we need to go in this century.
I hate what has happened to all the leagues that had some real meaning to follow before the AFL sucked the life out of all those leagues. First it was the WAFL slowly being drained of many of the top level players, then they decided to join which with their own team in the league in 1987 and soon after SANFL did the same. Meanwhile in Victoria the VFL slowly moving into all weekend football killed of the great niche of VFA being the Sunday football focus here. Next we lost the reserves here too.
But that is reality.
Got to work with what is left. We can have all these great historical clubs like Williamstown, Port Melbourne, Norwood, Glenelg, East Perth, East Fremantle etc etc all have the best youth not drafted to AFL yet and strive to the best youth in their state.
Do I think it will happen? Nope.
Do not think we have the leadership for football at this level to have a vision for the future.
But I know this is what we should be doing.
Great post.
There’s still a place for quality, top level suburban football, it won’t be what it was but I’m ok with that. With strong administration from the State Leagues and funding and respect from the AFL they can be better and stronger than what they are now. If we can achieve that and maintain proud histories there’s a place in the market, hopefully one day each state league can be strong enough that we can afford a Champions of Australia style comp where all the grand finalists play off.
It would never have been possible under Demitriou, now that that c*** has gone maybe some repairs can be made.
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