Which Club has been more Successful in the AFL era Geelong or Hawthorn?

[Roddy]

As much as I enjoyed the unbridled glory of those premierships, I'd give it all up for a couple more AA blazers and a top 2 finish.

Yeah and I bet cat fans adore the pure prestige of looking through the list of ‘best winning percentage’ years…

 

[peetoo]

Yeah and I bet cat fans adore the pure prestige of looking through the list of ‘best winning percentage’ years…

They actually do. All about wins at cat park

 

[PhatBoy]

They actually do. All about wins at cat park

Think you’ll find we would all swap it for more flags.

Football fans also like just watching their team win, though, so there is nothing ‘bad’ about turning up each season and being knee deep in the title race for most of the year regardless. You’re allowed to enjoy being competitive too, whether it results in a flag or not. They’re not mutually exclusive.

 

[Roddy]

The thing is, our strategy of bottoming out, rising to glory, bottoming out, rising to glory, has proved way more successful over the decades, than the teams like Geelong, Pies and Swannies who seem to remain almost perpetually 'up'. By way of illustration, since 1958, the three mentioned clubs have a grand total of 10 flags between them. We have 13 by ourselves.

Sure, the down times are tough to go through, but I'll still take the extra flags thanks...

 

[peetoo]

Not sure hawks bottoming out was a planned strategy

 

[PhatBoy]

The thing is, our strategy of bottoming out, rising to glory, bottoming out, rising to glory, has proved way more successful over the decades, than the teams like Geelong, Pies and Swannies who seem to remain almost perpetually 'up'. By way of illustration, since 1958, the three mentioned clubs have a grand total of 10 flags between them. We have 13 by ourselves.

Sure, the down times are tough to go through, but I'll still take the extra flags thanks...

Yeah I dunno about that.

Pre-1990 it carries little relevance as teams didn’t go through anything like the drafting or trading process they do now.

All that period proves is that you were an exceptional club full stop between then and 1960 and obviously in the last 10-12 years of that period, better than anyone in general let alone Geelong who didn’t even threaten between 1981-1988. Or most of the 1970s.

Since 1990, whatever strategies are he clubs have used, you’ve won an extra cup.

You’ve made two less grand finals so I doubt in your strategic planning over the 34 seasons since the AFL started there was a lot of planning based around individual games that we all know can go either way on the day. I doubt the losses in either of the 2 grand finals we’ve led at half time in the period discussed owed a lot to not having a strategy of bottoming out and rising again.

And I don’t think the Cats hierarchy were dissecting what went wrong after Dustin Martin or Stewart Dew carved us up and said ‘oh that’s what we should have done instead. Bottomed out.’

 

[PerthBoy86]

Hawthorn by one Stewart Dew quarter.

 

[StillAtLarge]

Doubt supporters of either team really care all that much. The reason both clubs have been so successful in the last 20 odd years is that we don't dwell too much on the past.

 

[PerthBoy86]

Doubt supporters of either team really care all that much. The reason both clubs have been so successful in the last 20 odd years is that we don't dwell too much on the past.

Both are significant to our history. We own the Cats in gfs 2-0, but we're 0-2 against the Hawks. Wonder if we'll ever get revenge..

 

[PerthBoy86]

1. Hawthorn
2. Geelong & Brisbane

the rest

Have you forgot we've got 4 AFL cups too?

 

[Wojcinski]

Have you forgot we've got 4 AFL cups too?

yes I did lol

 

[strand_victor]

Doubt supporters of either team really care all that much. The reason both clubs have been so successful in the last 20 odd years is that we don't dwell too much on the past.

Geelong Supporters still Talk about 2007 quite regularly. If they win the Flag this Year they'll be saying their 2007 Team is a Five Time Premiership Team.

 

[The Unforgiven]

The 1991 flag seems kind of irrelevant and merely sneaks in as a formality based on the arbitrary measurement of "AFL era".

The Hawks' 1991 flag win had many of the great players from the '80s flag-winning era. This team comprised of zones, not draft picks.

By virtue of comparing five flags versus four, you cannot mount a case where Geelong is ever ahead of Hawthorn. It would be illogical.

However, if you compare the clubs in the 21st century, you'd have to put Hawthorn, Geelong and Brisbane on very similar footing.

 

[Richmond Flats]

How can anyone argue Geelong?

Hawthorn are clear and have done it without cheating.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Geelong way more successful....at infiltrating the AFL.

 

[Mr Meow]

Geelong Supporters still Talk about 2007 quite regularly. If they win the Flag this Year they'll be saying their 2007 Team is a Five Time Premiership Team.

We only bring up 2007 to mock those of you Port supporters who are still incredibly stung by it, and who follow a club that have been serial choke artists ever since that day (well let's face it, even before).

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Hawthorn by one Stewart Dew quarter.

So it's Hawks by 5 minutes then.

 

[Munich]

Geelong Supporters still Talk about 2007 quite regularly. If they win the Flag this Year they'll be saying their 2007 Team is a Five Time Premiership Team.

There's nobody left from that team, so that's highly doubtful.

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

So it's Hawks by 5 minutes then.

Amazing how that's all it took

 

[peetoo]

There's nobody left from that team, so that's highly doubtful.

But the admin are now inside the AFL conducting an ‘audit’

 

[peetoo]

Amazing how that's all it took

Great day, but objectively the rest of the game was not a high standard

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

Great day, but objectively the rest of the game was not a high standard

Best 5 mins of my life. Think about that feeling often

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Great day, but objectively the rest of the game was not a high standard

wtf are you taking about?

 

[peetoo]

wtf are you taking about?

One of my most enjoyable days, but outside that period there was a lot of skill errors. Maybe high pressure game

Geelong fwds were pathetic. How they had the hide to whinge I’ll never know

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

One of my most enjoyable days, but outside that period there was a lot of skill errors. Maybe high pressure game

Geez, ya think? It was a Grand Final. Of course there pressure.

There was a heap of great goals and great moments in that game.
Batman’s running goal, Browns long bomb from the boundary, Cyril’s tackle, Hodge’s handball, Croad’s bump with a broken foot…