Which Club has been more Successful in the AFL era Geelong or Hawthorn?

[peetoo]

Hawks pretty good win ratio at mcg marvel and York parl

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Happy to concede this is hawthorn....

... so far

 

[My Tilly]

God! I hate Hawthorn, but boy' I respect em.

Hawthorn get my vote.

 

[Aura]

One fewer flag in that timeframe and nearly annual preliminary final losses are a fair trade for me in the sense that there’s really little to complain about when the alternative could have been Essendon’s past 20 years.

 

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[Freomaniac]

Let me know when they present the cup for win percentage.

Ken Hinkley is a god on this forum lol

 

[Freomaniac]

Given you lost to the same side 3 weeks earlier at Subiaco, and got well beaten on the day, I disagree with this.

Cuts both ways to be fair.

Didn't Essendon lose to hawks earlier in the 1984 finals series then beat the hawks in the grand final?

 

[iameviljez]

Cuts both ways to be fair.

Didn't Essendon lose to hawks earlier in the 1984 finals series then beat the hawks in the grand final?

Yeah but interstate advantage is a big factor

 

[threesixpio]

Flag count argument
Flags don’t mean everything argument
Blah blah


PS Flag count argument. Shut up otherwise

 

[Mr Meow]

Flag count argument
Flags don’t mean everything argument
Blah blah


PS Flag count argument. Shut up otherwise

In other words you've repeated basically every single person's sentiment in this thread, and told an imaginary person to shut up.

You might want to read threads before posting. Or at least the first page.

 

[ReturningHawk]

The 1991 flag seems kind of irrelevant and merely sneaks in as a formality based on the arbitrary measurement of "AFL era".

However, if you compare the clubs in the 21st century, you'd have to put Hawthorn, Geelong and Brisbane on very similar footing.

"If you ignore that arbitrary starting point, but instead take this abitrary starting point, then hey presto! My club looks more successful!"

 

[The Unforgiven]

"If you ignore that arbitrary starting point, but instead take this abitrary starting point, then hey presto! My club looks more successful!"

Good work cherry picking bits of what I said and ignoring the other bits that make your point redundant.

 

[ReturningHawk]

Good work cherry picking bits of what I said and ignoring the other bits that make your point redundant.

As redundant as this thread, you can work it out on one hand.

 

[jim boy]

Geelong has tried to win flags by constantly competing.
Hawks have tried to win flags by doing rebuilds.
Neither approach is wrong and both approaches have yielded an equal number of flags.

Hawks win this argument purely on the back of a VFL legacy side early in the AFL era

 

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[Cleric]

Hawthorn got the flags, but that Geelong team was the most dominate one since Hawthorn of old.

 

[SSSSSS]

It was a lot more than that. Dew's game epitomised Hawthorn's day, but basically almost everything that could flip Hawthorn's way, did - and Clarkson, more than even Luke Hodge, won that premiership.

• Bit-players in Ellis, Dew and Rioli played out of their skins (don't forget Rioli was only 19)
• Enright carrying an injury hurt us badly
• Clarkson's three key plans - the Hawthorn cluster, Franklin taking Scarlett out of it, and snapping rushed behinds - all scored big hits, with Williams doing well at FF
• Geelong missed chance after chance to put the game away by half-time - not just kicks at goal, but butchering i50 after i50.

Basically the only things that didn't go Hawthorn's way was Mitchell having a quiet game, and Croad's injury.

Yes, Dew's cameo was excellent, but it was really Clarko's flag.

Clarkson didn't actually plan for the rushed behinds. The players kinda ad-libbed that one.

Was very ****ing clever of them.

 

[peetoo]

Clarkson didn't actually plan for the rushed behinds. The players kinda ad-libbed that one.

Was very ****ing clever of them.

Dew stayed on of his own accord too. Greatest day

Despite geelongs magnificent 2008 season including massive scoring, what geelong served up as fwds was among the worst ever to take up a grand final stage.
Hawks was notably excellent. Particularly Buddy and Roughy

 

[MCG-Unit]

Geelong

 

[PhatBoy]

Dew stayed on of his own accord too. Greatest day

Despite geelongs magnificent 2008 season including massive scoring, what geelong served up as fwds was among the worst ever to take up a grand final stage.
Hawks was notably excellent. Particularly Buddy and Roughy

We were rubbish but I think it takes away from hawthorn to suggest that’s as big a factor as what some people are making out.

You blokes were sensational in most aspects of the game.

We got maybe a bit of stage fright when it became apparent it wasn’t going to be as easy as most of our games had been but in essence you just played better

 

[iameviljez]

Clarkson didn't actually plan for the rushed behinds. The players kinda ad-libbed that one.

Was very ****ing clever of them.

Especially given that, between them, SJ, Chappy and Stokes kicked about 120 goals that year. Astonishingly smart way to keep the small forwards from getting the ball.

 

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[jaaack]

Or it’s just a guy who isn’t going to pull his fingernails out because his team is 1 title behind another team across a 34 year period, with one of those titles coming in the very first year of that sequence, and he just means what he says: that he’s pretty satisfied.

After all, it is, you know, guys kicking a ball.

This whole forum is about guys, you know, kicking a ball

Maybe you should go post somewhere else?

 

[PhatBoy]

This whole forum is about guys, you know, kicking a ball

Maybe you should go post somewhere else?

Being interested in a subject enough to discuss it isn’t tantamount to getting that hung up on it that it dictates your sense of wellbeing.

 

[ReturningHawk]

Geelong has tried to win flags by constantly competing.
Hawks have tried to win flags by doing rebuilds.
Neither approach is wrong and both approaches have yielded an equal number of flags.

Hawks win this argument purely on the back of a VFL legacy side early in the AFL era

Something tells me that if Geelong had won in '92 you would feel that this time period was highly relevant.

Time didn't begin in 2007.

 

[kriles76]

It was a lot more than that. Dew's game epitomised Hawthorn's day, but basically almost everything that could flip Hawthorn's way, did - and Clarkson, more than even Luke Hodge, won that premiership.

• Bit-players in Ellis, Dew and Rioli played out of their skins (don't forget Rioli was only 19)
• Enright carrying an injury hurt us badly
• Clarkson's three key plans - the Hawthorn cluster, Franklin taking Scarlett out of it, and snapping rushed behinds - all scored big hits, with Williams doing well at FF
• Geelong missed chance after chance to put the game away by half-time - not just kicks at goal, but butchering i50 after i50.

Basically the only things that didn't go Hawthorn's way was Mitchell having a quiet game, and Croad's injury.

Yes, Dew's cameo was excellent, but it was really Clarko's flag.

We also lost Clinton Young just after half time with a busted ankle who kicked that monster goal in the second quarter and was providing us with great run. He was arguably in Norm Smith calculations at the time of his loss.

We effectively lost two players for half a game and everything went our way?

 

[peetoo]

Especially given that, between them, SJ, Chappy and Stokes kicked about 120 goals that year. Astonishingly smart way to keep the small forwards from getting the ball.

They didn’t have great games either

 

[Mr Meow]

They didn’t have great games either

SJ was actually decent but it was as a defacto wingman rather than the forward pocket finisher we needed.

Chappy should not have been selected 3 weeks after pulling a hammy. Imagine plugging his 2009 GF performance into the 2008 game.

Stokes was just dreadful.

The Lonergan forward experiment was not good. Young Ablett a year earlier, or young Hawkins a year later were much better.