Strategy Aggressive reset

[archereleven]

Passive resets don't work and draft picks are overrated.

Adelaide never did a "proper rebuild", neither did Geelong or Sydney, and unless GWS win the flag one of those teams will be taking home this year's premiership with almost zero top-10 picks.

The Bulldogs never made moves that were conducive to a "proper rebuild". Shaun Higgins and Josh Hill were the only players they moved on that still had good football left in them, and both were situations where they would've left regardless of the team's intent to win. In the interim they brought in experienced players from other clubs (Crameri, Hamling and Biggs) and drafted mature-age players to fill in the gaps. In 2013 the year everyone is begging we replicate so that we can find our Bontempelli, they were led by Ryan Griffen, Matthew Boyd, Adam Cooney, Daniel Cross, Will Minson, Daniel Giansiracusa, Dale Morris and Bob Murphy on their way to 8 wins and a % of 85.15. Had the Bulldogs aggressively rebuilt and done it "the right way" they wouldn't be 2016 premiers.

If you add to your list every year as if you're trying to win the flag, eventually you will. While we should continue not selling our high draft picks, we should be doing everything we can to be as competitive in 2018 as possible. In my opinion, our biggest needs next year are a small-forward who actually kicks goals, an inside mid capable of elite-pressure/clearance work, and a mid with class. Even if we cheap out and go with for example Liam Ryan, Matt Hanson and Harley Balic, that's still a massive step in the right direction. While trying our hardest next year without a massive injection of talent will likely only get us to 13th-11th, the gap between pick 1-3 and 6-9 isn't worth developing a losing culture over.

Adelaide yes, Geelong 4x father/sons, Western 4x father/sons, Sydney COLA...

We have the chance to put our best foot forward with father/sons next year + academy picks...

Tell me, how do we aggressively reset when we can't attract A grade talent? I'm all ears...

 

[The Nostradamus]

Full Agreesive reset definetly the way to go

Pick 4 and Preuss/Goldy for Kelly
Swap picks if needed also

Retire Waite, Gibson and trade Thomas
Hansen already gone

Draft 3 players
Bring in Rockliff as free agent or a young player cheap like Balic, McKenna etc

 

[Snake_Baker]

Tell me, how do we aggressively reset when we can't attract A grade talent? I'm all ears...

1) We can't
2) This seasons and next seasons trading periods haven't even begun.

Why all the pessimism? Dal Santo, Higgins & Waite were/are all quality players. A grade when they are fit and firing. We didn't have problems landing them.

 

[Passmore]

Adelaide yes, Geelong 4x father/sons, Western 4x father/sons, Sydney COLA...

We have the chance to put our best foot forward with father/sons next year + academy picks...

Tell me, how do we aggressively reset when we can't attract A grade talent? I'm all ears...

You've got to at least try. Recruiting may not come off and we have to go to the draft. So be it.

If we have to go to the draft, then I hope we are attempting to trade into the draft and improve our position.

 

[Dirty_11]

How long do we kid ourselves with a 'reset' if we can't entice an A grader to our club? If Kelly isn't at Arden St come the end of year, it goes from reset to rebuild imo...

If Kelly stays put, we might as well try and get the F/S's on board, TT and whatever other top talent and launch...

Our chances of a reset died with Martin even if we acquire Kelly. It is a rebuild.

 

[Dirty_11]

Time to put on my aggressive reset hat for a moment.

In: Kelly, Hopper, Balic

Kelly, Hopper, Cunnington are our starting mids. Balic starts at half forward.

Move to defense: Wags, Jed. They can work with Marley and our new defensive coach (no, not you green).

Move to midfield: Clarke, Mountford, LMac, Garner (in parts). JMac to wing (infinitely better forward of centre, especially with his kicking for goal outside 50).

Move to forward: Ziebell.

Waite is given another year while Larkey develops. We will need to draft another key forward is McKay moves back permanently. Especially with daw and wood always injured.

Thompson is given another year given EVW and Nielsen have barely stayed fit since they were drafted

Gibson is given the role jared moore had - development coach and VFL captain. Good to have around the club because his work ethic is unmatched. He leads by example with his work rate and it pushed fordham, wagner, hibberd, and wood to work on their endurance more.

Tell Goldstein to snap the **** out of it and get back to his 2015 form or he'll be playing the VFL all year.

Work on getting ahern, jacobs, and wright back and on the field.

2019 premiers.

I would persist with Durdin as a key forward. Mckay down back with Tarrant, Nielson and EVW. I would keep Thompson for another year so we have some depth and also to teach the younglings.

 

[archereleven]

1) We can't
2) This seasons and next seasons trading periods haven't even begun.

Why all the pessimism? Dal Santo, Higgins & Waite were/are all quality players. A grade when they are fit and firing. We didn't have problems landing them.

I'm not being pessimistic...

I'm just hoping the club has an iron clad plan if jk falls through. I will be flipping pissed off if he re-signs With GWS and the club starts signing retreads.

Happy to sign Rocky- top 30-50 talent when up and running, but the cupboard is pretty much bare after that.

If we are going to aggressively reset without JK, I'd try something like this:

- Trade the number 4 pick for a later 1st + 2018 1st(something like pick 4 for Richmond 15 + 2018 1st) They will think they are in some kind of window lol and im banking on them sliding down the ladder with a lot harder draw.
- Rocky via FA 4 x 800k. Allows JZ to go forward.
- Pick up a Jaidyn Stephenson/Lochie Obrien types with pick 15 + another outside type with pick 24
- Trade Goldy, Swallow, LT, Mullett for '17/'18 picks
- Hit free agency hard(A graders), hit the draft for father/sons + academy loaded with the currency to get it all done

 

[archereleven]

Our chances of a reset died with Martin even if we acquire Kelly. It is a rebuild.

Dont entirely agree with this, but looking on the cards.

Worst case scenario is we keep on the aggressive reset path and we cant lure top talent over next season also. Disaster.

 

[FastLife]

We'll be playing finals football next season imo.

 

[Psicosis]

Why can't we have both?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why not pick up some solid depth AND go to the draft?!!!!!!!!!!!

We have money that we have to spend!

I can never wrap my head around this type of mentality. It's as if some people think we can't improve unless we suffer greatly. That, my friend, is a complete load of bollocks.

How about rather then targeting blokes that are types of players we do not need (inside mids Rockliff, miles) we instead target types we do need (speed, skill, polish)...

 

[Saintly_]

Why all the pessimism? Dal Santo, Higgins & Waite were/are all quality players. A grade when they are fit and firing. We didn't have problems landing them.

That's because we chased them as unwanted by other clubs due to list/age position.

They we're top ups, a problem for the team that had them. Higgins has been awesome but was too risky for most.

Getting those 3 suggests nothing about our ability to recruit in-demand players.

 

[RobZombie]

So, we shouldn't have (of) re-signed him because of the myriad of reasons that, presumably, don't include him?!

So, you're still making fun of "should of" while committing the equally egregious "myriad of"? It's an adjective, FFS.

I expected better from you, Kimbo.

(Actually: whatever dictionary google defaults to accepts the noun usage of myriad. What is wrong with people?)

 

[Firestarter]

So, you're still making fun of "should of" while committing the equally egregious "myriad of"? It's an adjective, FFS.

I expected better from you, Kimbo.

(Actually: whatever dictionary google defaults to accepts the noun usage of myriad. What is wrong with people?)

I don't think that's an issue (myriad of) nor the same problem.

"Should of" is the result of "should have" being contracted and people being too lazy to realise what sounds like the "f" in "should've" when spoken aloud is actually "ve". So they think the long version is "should of".

 

[RobZombie]

I was going to say something about him being 'Hodge' like, but didn't want to get carries away..

The Hodge comparison was popular when he was coming out of juniors, and in the sense of being a tough HB/mid/utility there's something to it. But they're definitely different kinds of users of the ball. Hodge has the sort of skills Clarko likes, while Luke is more of a long bomber than precision kick. I honestly don't think Luke has Hodge's mean streak either, for better or worse.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

So, you're still making fun of "should of" while committing the equally egregious "myriad of"? It's an adjective, FFS.

I expected better from you, Kimbo.

(Actually: whatever dictionary google defaults to accepts the noun usage of myriad. What is wrong with people?)

Myriad is just embarrassing, whichever way you use it. In the bin.

 

[Kimbo]

So, you're still making fun of "should of" while committing the equally egregious "myriad of"? It's an adjective, FFS.

I expected better from you, Kimbo.

(Actually: whatever dictionary google defaults to accepts the noun usage of myriad. What is wrong with people?)

Thanks for the back-handed compliment and education Rob. Cheers.

 

[SMaturin]

Lazy 35 for Miles in the VFL elimination final

 

[ozzyoslo]

Get Petracca !!!

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[naturally north]

1) We can't
2) This seasons and next seasons trading periods haven't even begun.

Why all the pessimism? Dal Santo, Higgins & Waite were/are all quality players. A grade when they are fit and firing. We didn't have problems landing them.

Yeah....... the majority of names we've missed have remained at their original club, hardly counts as a miss. No one remembers when the likes of Tarrant are OOC and turn their backs on other clubs.

I don't concern myself with who we miss, but judge via who we lose. IMO we don't lose many of great value.

 

[Le Grille]

So, you're still making fun of "should of" while committing the equally egregious "myriad of"? It's an adjective, FFS.

I expected better from you, Kimbo.

(Actually: whatever dictionary google defaults to accepts the noun usage of myriad. What is wrong with people?)

Wait that quote was a response to my post did I make the "should of" error?

 

[ozzyoslo]

No one keen on Petracca ?? he has his contract up for renewal next season......he could be, if not better than Dusty.
Melbourne are plotting their targets for this season ( J Lever )......thinking they still have time to sought Petracca's contract out. If there is a plan B or C , then I'd be making a super serious play for him.
A real dinkum one 5 years @ $ 6M and while we're at it get his mate Hunt as well.
Strike while they're gutted missing out on the finals.

 

[Kimbo]

Myriad is just embarrassing, whichever way you use it. In the bin.

 

[North Viking]

To all you spelling and grammar nazis I say this.

https://www.techly.com.au/2016/04/01/if-you-correct-peoples-grammar-your-probably-a-jerk-science/

Edit: grammar and spelling errors

 

[Horace]

Could Richmond afford to keep him?

I think he might just be a casualty of the tigers keeping Martin. However they wish to spin it they must have upped their offer a bit and stretched their salary cap a bit. Miles appears to be on the outer a little, has just played a very good game in their Reserves EF win over the Pies so in my view is worth a look.

 

[Heaps of fun]

So, you're still making fun of "should of" while committing the equally egregious "myriad of"? It's an adjective, FFS.

I expected better from you, Kimbo.

(Actually: whatever dictionary google defaults to accepts the noun usage of myriad. What is wrong with people?)

According to my Australian Oxford dictionary its adjective and noun.