List Mgmt. Aisho Going Elsewhere

[SgtFloydPepper]

So certain players can leave after 2 years and others can't. Do you just keep changing the goalposts to try to suit your argument

Just do a quick compare and contrast in your head. Do you really think that the situations are in any way similar other than the fact that they are both second year players leaving their club. One's shown he can play AFL footy to above an acceptible standard. The other hasn't got on the field. One has more than justified his original draft position, the other hasn't. Both have chosen a destination club (if you'd actually read any of my responses in this thread you'll realise that I've been against that). That's about the only similarity that they have.

 

[Anzacday]

IF ONLY.
Rumour has it that the choice between us drafting Shaz or Aish was line ball and we told Aish we'd take him next.
If only Brisbane didn't draft Aish, meaning we didn't draft Freeman.
Then potentially neither of our clubs would be losing a player now.

 

[Subprime]

Just do a quick compare and contrast in your head. Do you really think that the situations are in any way similar other than the fact that they are both second year players leaving their club. One's shown he can play AFL footy to above an acceptible standard. The other hasn't got on the field. One has more than justified his original draft position, the other hasn't. Both have chosen a destination club (if you'd actually read any of my responses in this thread you'll realise that I've been against that). That's about the only similarity that they have.

Don't recall Lethal's 4 year service requirement mentioning anything about any of that.

Perhaps the full details can be posted so we all get to see them?

 

[ottoman]

Just do a quick compare and contrast in your head. Do you really think that the situations are in any way similar other than the fact that they are both second year players leaving their club. One's shown he can play AFL footy to above an acceptible standard. The other hasn't got on the field. One has more than justified his original draft position, the other hasn't. Both have chosen a destination club (if you'd actually read any of my responses in this thread you'll realise that I've been against that). That's about the only similarity that they have.

So explain to me, under what circumstances you will and will not trade a second year player. If I am drafted by Brisbane this year under what circumstances can I expect to be able to be traded in 2 years time with your clubs blessing and under what circumstances will I be threatened. It is all getting a bit confusing. So many variables regarding who is eligible to be traded from your great club and who isnt't

 

[Apex36]

Depends what comes with Anderson. If we were directly dealing with the Hawks, Anderson and a 3rd for Aish would be equitable to me.

If we were able to secure Anderson for say, pick 22, then would you find Anderson and Oxley for Aish to be an equitable deal?

Obviously the onus on Brisbane is to get him to nominate them, and they may be facing an uphill battle.

According to SEN he's nominated WC.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Oxley is the equivalent of Crisp. He's shown signs but he's no sure thing to go either way. Him and a second rounder (essentially you're saying a former pick 7, who had a very good to exceptional first season, injury plagued and seemingly down on desire is worth a second rounder). That's not an equitable deal in our eyes.

2nd rounder? Nah.

Next year's 1st and Oxley seems ok to me. Most on Brisbaneboard feel next year's first is enough. I'd have no issue offering Oxley as a good will gesture.

 

[4#Didak#4]

The other player wanting out.....redden.....is contracted.......if we don't get the deal we want, he won't go, but I think he will net us WC first rounder. Should we be up in arms similarly with him because he's requested a trade (almost identical contract circumstances as beams), actually we're looking to accomodate his wishes from what I gather

I find this very strange. Redden I would totally understand not allowing him to go. If he is contracted its well within your rights and interests to say no. A West Coast first rounder (because it is so late) is not a great result, just acceptable if he was out of contract. In contract I think its not very good. It is also something of a surprise to everyone that he announced he wanted to go at the end of the season, which doesn't give the club a lot of time to re-look at its list strategy especially when an experienced player wants out.

Aish on the other hand is going and has wanted to go for a year, is now out of contract. At this point the ability to demand trades really evaporates and its in the clubs best interests to get whatever they can for him. Last year was probably an opportunity missed to offload him for something good, but I do get why it was refused - he was in contract and it gave you a chance to change his mind.

The motives behind refusing to trade him now seem to be a mixture of hurt pride and willingness to make an example of someone the club doesn't have a lot of love for. However all that is happening by refusing to trade him is degrading the Lions list further.

Like us with Freeman you just got to get on with it, you don't want guys at the club who don't want to play for you - in the end it is that simple. We will be disappointed to lose Freeman but we get another ticket in the lottery so we pin our hopes on that and back in our recruiting team to bring the goods home. If Collingwood threw a tantrum (like most of our supporters did ) he would simply go into PSD and go to the Saints for nothing. We then would have torn the club down, it just won't happen, we can't afford to be that stupid.

By Brisbane placing these demands it reduces the club's ability to negotiate the best trade available. By threatening him with the PSD as if that is a bad thing is silly. He really isn't going to be that disappointed to be at Carlton (as shocking as that is to us!), he will be paid better than top dollar for a 2 year player and be playing football in Melbourne for a big club. However, if Brisbane says we will trade Aish to any Melbourne club, sides like Carlton come to the table and offer better trades which forces us to match. Sides like Carlton now can afford to wait and hope the Collingwood deal falls through, while we can afford to offer something close to fair knowing that you get nothing if the deal falls through and we move on to other targets or keep our picks/players. We don't need to offer overs now, unless Brisbane wants to be suicidal. So even if its a mere threat the damage has been done unless they do a backflip.

Everyone now knows the only loser in the deal can be Brisbane, which is not the position you should be in. Aish should be returning something good to the club not making it worse.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

The motives behind refusing to trade him now seem to be a mixture of hurt pride and willingness to make an example of someone the club doesn't have a lot of love for. However all that is happening by refusing to trade him is degrading the Lions list further.

That's literally all this is. It's ego driven and an attempt to "make an example" out of a kid who is literally completely within his rights as an uncontracted player to request a trade to another club.

This could also be spite, but even then, we came to a reasonable trade with Brisbane last year for Beams so not sure what they have to be spiteful about. This time last year, Brisbane had a shit eating grin on their faces when it was widely accepted they "won" the Beams trade. So now they're all pissy when it's eventuated that we did?

 

[Karate Feel]

I know this can't happen.But if Keefe didn't do what he did he would have been the ideal trade for Aish and likely a win-win for both clubs.Btw I rate Keefe as a defender but we do have an abundance of key defenders at the moment.Anyway I hope we can get Aish somehow.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I find this very strange. Redden I would totally understand not allowing him to go. If he is contracted its well within your rights and interests to say no. A West Coast first rounder (because it is so late) is not a great result, just acceptable if he was out of contract.
Aish on the other hand is going and has wanted to go for a year, is now out of contract. At this point the ability to demand trades really evaporates and its in the clubs best interests to get whatever they can for him. Last year was probably an opportunity missed to offload him for something good, but I do get why it was refused - he was in contract and it gave you a chance to change his mind.

The motives behind refusing to trade him now seem to be a mixture of hurt pride and willingness to make an example of someone the club doesn't have a lot of love for. However all that is happening by refusing to trade him is degrading the Lions list further.

Exactly, if Brisbane wanted to make the stand it says it wants to, then surely it would be more appropriate to do that with a contracted player?
But to do it with a player who has the right to seek a trade makes no sense

 

[jackcass]

Outside of Buddy, who have Sydney attracted that was really top shelf. JPK developed into the footballer he is predominantly at Sydney. What Sydney have done is hold onto their talent, through the canny use of COLA. Brisbane don't have such a luxury (only frontier club that doesn't have one )

And additional salary cap through the naughties doesn't count off course... happy to hand back the 3 flags that bought you?

 

[76woodenspooners]

Outside of Buddy, who have Sydney attracted that was really top shelf. JPK developed into the footballer he is predominantly at Sydney. What Sydney have done is hold onto their talent, through the canny use of COLA. Brisbane don't have such a luxury (only frontier club that doesn't have one )

Yeah, I know Eddie bangs on about it ...

... But seriously, anybody who moves to Sydney to claim a 10% pay rise has got rocks in their head. Especially when comparing to Brisbane.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Exactly, if Brisbane wanted to make the stand it says it wants to, then surely it would be more appropriate to do that with a contracted player?
But to do it with a player who has the right to seek a trade makes no sense

This is the weirdest part about it all.

It's just so cut and dry. Dude served out his 2 years, he wants to go. Why not get something for him? They keep mentioning a line in the sand, but do they REALLY think doing this will prevent future 2nd year players wanting to leave?

So what are they going to do? Just let every future player who wants to leave, leave for nothing and just keep covering the beach with lines?

 

[THATSGOLD]

Wouldn't we? Witts and White coming out of contract . Don't see them staying.
Draft picks we will be OK. Can’t see us doing a massive cleanout next year again. We got 2 druggies coming back. Doesn't costs us anything. There's always room for 1 big fish

Sidebottom coming out of contract. Just signed Treloar on 700k Aish will be on 500k + Pendles signed a new million dollar deal. Clokes on 800k Greenwood 500k you're kidding yourself.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Sidebottom coming out of contract. Just signed Treloar on 700k Aish will be on 500k + Pendles signed a new million dollar deal. Clokes on 800k Greenwood 500k you're kidding yourself.

Out side Treloar, I'd wager those other figured are inflated by at least 50K. You knock 50K off each of those names mentioned and we have enough for a young player.

I"m not even sure of the convo you were having, but just thought i'd share anyway. I think we have more cap space than you think. Don't forget, in this day and age, it would be VERY rare for a player contract to be the same amount for each year of the contract. Cloke's contract would have been HEAVILY front loaded. We're now in year 3 or 4 of a 5er? He'd now be nowhere near 700-800K. Aish, if we get him, will be far closer to 400K or less. Maybe even 300-350K.

Greenwood on 500K? Come on dude.

 

[BPikkers]

Just been banned from the general Aish thread for calling Carlton no longer a powerhouse.
Ridiculous. Sure I compared them to the commodore64 of the computing sector, but can't see how this is trolling.

 

[BPikkers]

The Carlton bloke should have been given a holiday for actually saying they are a powerhouse and Aish would be happy to be there. Dillusional and flaming the true powerhouse clubs imo

 

[wicksy]

I know this can't happen.But if Keefe didn't do what he did he would have been the ideal trade for Aish and likely a win-win for both clubs.Btw I rate Keefe as a defender but we do have an abundance of key defenders at the moment.Anyway I hope we can get Aish somehow.

We do?!

 

[wicksy]

Sidebottom coming out of contract. Just signed Treloar on 700k Aish will be on 500k + Pendles signed a new million dollar deal. Clokes on 800k Greenwood 500k you're kidding yourself.

Oh wow...

Seriously, do us all a favour and....

 

[ClaytonM]

Can we have another Aish thread for non-dribbling wafflers?

kthxbai

What as apposed to sniping morons?

 

[ClaytonM]

Just do a quick compare and contrast in your head. Do you really think that the situations are in any way similar other than the fact that they are both second year players leaving their club. One's shown he can play AFL footy to above an acceptible standard. The other hasn't got on the field. One has more than justified his original draft position, the other hasn't. Both have chosen a destination club (if you'd actually read any of my responses in this thread you'll realise that I've been against that). That's about the only similarity that they have.

The problem with this argument is that you only want to punish the elite by restricting their movement between clubs. What profession would punish its elite practitioners?

 

[PieBeast]

What as apposed to sniping morons?

Means a lot coming from a bright spark that claims the 2011 side wasn't all that good and was in dire need of a rebuild

 

[ClaytonM]

Means a lot coming from a bright spark that claims the 2011 side wasn't all that good and was in dire need of a rebuild

No I said the 2011 list was not good enough in terms of age profile and skill set to deliver ongoing success once game plan was undone. Also said rebuild was required after 2012 injury ravaged year. By then Didak, Ball, Johnson, Brown, Maxwell were largely done.

 

[Apex36]

Sidebottom coming out of contract. Just signed Treloar on 700k Aish will be on 500k + Pendles signed a new million dollar deal. Clokes on 800k Greenwood 500k you're kidding yourself.

Treloar - $666k
Pendles - Unknown
Aish - $400k max
Greenwood - $450k
Cloke - front ended contract, will not be on anything close to 800k. Likely half that.

So that's close to $600k exaggerations not even taking into account what Pendles is on. And people still defend you when you get labeled as a troll.

****ing laughable.

 

[GreekLunatic]

If melksham can get a 2nd round pick than what's Seedsman worth