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As a younger Australian I have found this election really disheartening. There was real apathy about the result. I find it really selfish that the generation that benefitted from free tertiary education swung the election on issues so that they can continue to have more. I've only just managed to pay off my university debt and am struggling to save for a house. I live in a city whose main industry is tourism and that tourism requires a healthy great barrier reef. I think we're staring down the barrel on that one and I worry about the future of this place and what happens when its gone. I'm ashamed that folk up here played their part in swinging the result. So dumb. So short sighted.
You have to a deep dive into the dark side of politics to understand how the cards were stacked in this election
I'm not talking about conspiracy theories I'm talking about vested interests doing things so that an outcome was achieved that directly benefited themselves.

You can start with membership of the IPA, what their Charter is, Members of Parliament who are members of the IPA, Media Companies that are owned by Members of the IPA, Mining Companies who's directors are members of the IPA, who funds the IPA and which of those people then fund Politicians

Its all on the public record
 
You have to a deep dive into the dark side of politics to understand how the cards were stacked in this election
I'm not talking about conspiracy theories I'm talking about vested interests doing things so that an outcome was achieved that directly benefited themselves.

You can start with membership of the IPA, what their Charter is, Members of Parliament who are members of the IPA, Media Companies that are owned by Members of the IPA, Mining Companies who's directors are members of the IPA, who funds the IPA and which of those people then fund Politicians

Its all on the public record
I thought Jmac was the IPA President......
 

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As a younger Australian I have found this election really disheartening. There was real apathy about the result. I find it really selfish that the generation that benefitted from free tertiary education swung the election on issues so that they can continue to have more. I've only just managed to pay off my university debt and am struggling to save for a house. I live in a city whose main industry is tourism and that tourism requires a healthy great barrier reef. I think we're staring down the barrel on that one and I worry about the future of this place and what happens when its gone. I'm ashamed that folk up here played their part in swinging the result. So dumb. So short sighted.
As a fellow young Australian I have to agree with you on all counts. Also hard not to feel bitter when a lot of us are staring down the barrel of a likely $80-100k+ uni debt while there is that entire generation who received tertiary education free of charge and who continue to swing election results based on short-sighted promises.
 
As a fellow young Australian I have to agree with you on all counts. Also hard not to feel bitter when a lot of us are staring down the barrel of a likely $80-100k+ uni debt while there is that entire generation who received tertiary education free of charge and who continue to swing election results based on short-sighted promises.

Every generation has challenges. The retirees you may be thinking of - the ones worried about franking credits. They had a little thing called conscription to worry about. HECS started for school leavers from about 88. They finished uni with debt plus trying to find a job in a recession. Don’t get too worried about an election result.


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Have I got this right?
The new Morrison ministry has a Youth Minister in his 60s, an "Emissions Reduction" Minister who supports building a new coal fired power station, and a Multicultural Affairs Minister who wants to deport Africans?
 
Have I got this right?
The new Morrison ministry has a Youth Minister in his 60s, an "Emissions Reduction" Minister who supports building a new coal fired power station, and a Multicultural Affairs Minister who wants to deport Africans?
Welcome to the past!
 

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Most Journalists openly supported the LNP during the election campaign

You reap what you sow
Not sure if Sirius.

Most journalists and the media are left wing and openly barracked for Labor.

Sky is an exception as most there are right of centre; there are exceptions but I’d say 70% are left of centre.
 
Not sure if Sirius.

Most journalists and the media are left wing and openly barracked for Labor.

Sky is an exception as most there are right of centre; there are exceptions but I’d say 70% are left of centre.
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Which war crimes are being covered up?
So what your saying is that you are defending the Government for acting on an issue you know absolutely nothing about?
Time to get an education.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07...-afghans-by-australian-special-forces/8466642
Interested in your view about the covering up of unlawful murder committed by our troops. Even committed by a VC winner.
Now I understand war is war, but we as a nation have always prided ourselves about how we conduct ourself at war.
This exposes the fact that we are not far apart from our enemies.
 
So what your saying is that you are defending the Government for acting on an issue you know absolutely nothing about?
Time to get an education.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07...-afghans-by-australian-special-forces/8466642
Interested in your view about the covering up of unlawful murder committed by our troops. Even committed by a VC winner.
Now I understand war is war, but we as a nation have always prided ourselves about how we conduct ourself at war.
This exposes the fact that we are not far apart from our enemies.

So the potential crimes that are being investigated are being covered up? Despite them being investigated... right.

When you get shot at daily and constantly have to wonder which civilian is secretly working for ISIS I can imagine how sometimes mistakes happen. For the other cases If something is really wrong then the investigation will uncover it.
 
So the potential crimes that are being investigated are being covered up? Despite them being investigated... right.

When you get shot at daily and constantly have to wonder which civilian is secretly working for ISIS I can imagine how sometimes mistakes happen. For the other cases If something is really wrong then the investigation will uncover it.
Mistakes happen, yes.
But to not properly investigate them reeks of coverup.
If you read the article you would know the amount of people alarmed at what was happening. And the amount of people prepared to cover it up.
I’m sure your backed into a corner now and have to defend your position, no matter the evidence against that position.
So I’ll just leave it there.
 
Mistakes happen, yes.
But to not properly investigate them reeks of coverup.
If you read the article you would know the amount of people alarmed at what was happening. And the amount of people prepared to cover it up.
I’m sure your backed into a corner now and have to defend your position, no matter the evidence against that position.
So I’ll just leave it there.

Please post your evidence that it was not investigated properly. I must of missed that part.

Also, who tried to cover it up? And what did they do to try and cover it up?
 
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Please post your evidence that it was not investigated properly. I must of missed that part.

Also, who tried to cover it up? And what did they do to try and cover it up?
My understanding is that the the ABC/Age investigated and reported. The Army then came out and said they would conduct an internal review.

I wonder why they didn't do it before it came out in the press?

Nothing more has been released to date.
 

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