All things Politics

[DinoSoar]

It is recognised that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have connections to either side of the conflict. What you need to understand is that this site has rules governing posting standards and the appropriate way to talk to other posters, and you will abide by them.

How this interacts with this thread is that the following will result in your post being deleted, with a recurrence of the same behaviour resulting in (depending on severity) a threadban for a week and a day off:

• direct labelling of someone as anti-semitic or a terrorist sympathiser for posting that is merely critical of Israel's response over time. Israel has the right to defend themselves from violence, but that does not mean that Israel has carte blanche to attack disproportionately towards people under their care.
• deliberate goading or flippant responses, designed to get people reacting to your posting emotionally.
• abuse.
• attempts to turn this into a Left vs Right shitfight.
• Use the word 'Nazi' in here, you had better be able to justify it in the post you're making and the comparison had better be apt. Godwin's law is in full effect for the purposes of this thread; if you refer to Nazis, you've lost whatever argument you're involved in.
• Any defense of Hamas' actions on the basis of justification. There's no justification for genocide, regardless of whether or not they have the power to do so.

Please recognise that this is a difficult time for all involved, and some level of sensitivity is absolutely required to permit discussion to flow. From time to time, mods will reach out to specific posters and do some welfare checks; we may even give posters who get a bit too involved some days off to give people some time to cool down. This is not a reflection on you as a poster, merely that this is an intense subject.

I get that this is a fairly intense topic about which opinion can diverge rather significantly. If you feel you cannot be respectful in your disagreement with another poster, it is frequently better to refuse to engage than it is to take up the call.

From this point, any poster who finds themselves directly insulting another poster will find themselves receiving a threadban and an infraction, with each subsequent reoccurance resulting in steadily more points added to your account.

It has also become apparent that this needs to be said: just because someone moderates this forum that does not hold them to a different standard of posting than anyone else. All of us were posters first, and we are allowed to hold opinions on this and share them on this forum.

Treat each other with the respect each of you deserve.

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[Markfs]

Stuff the Israelis and Palestinians. I just want a price freeze on pies. If Albo doesn't deliver that he's dead to me. And Penny is foreign affairs, so dumplings too.

if you're looking for a future involved with anything involving pork, I've got bad news...

 

[manicpie]

well its obviously my fault if the israelis need to murder people. I think that's pretty obvious.

So, the initial protagonists are allowed to kill, rape and kill Jews but you don't see any murder in that. You're really waining now

 

[Markfs]

No, mine is a simple question that matters most in this whole mess. " Does Hamas want to take over Israel and turn it into an Islamic state. If you can't answer it, then why are we having this conversation. It's OK for you to call me islamaphobic and a right wing nut, when I'm neither. Answer the question and all your innuendo will be put to ease

i've heard hamas wants to bomb you so you should go into hiding for a decade or two...

 

[Markfs]

So, the initial protagonists are allowed to kill, rape and kill Jews but you don't see any murder in that. You're really waining now

i've always supported the israelis right to murder. It's a long tradition. We need to preserve these cultural aspects.

 

[manicpie]

i've heard hamas wants to bomb you so you should go into hiding for a decade or two...

Typical response. Can't even answer a simple question. Keep up the good work

 

[manicpie]

i've always supported the israelis right to murder. It's a long tradition. We need to preserve these cultural aspects.

You're adorable

 

[sr36]

No, mine is a simple question that matters most in this whole mess. " Does Hamas want to take over Israel and turn it into an Islamic state. If you can't answer it, then why are we having this conversation. It's OK for you to call me islamaphobic and a right wing nut, when I'm neither. Answer the question and all your innuendo will be put to ease

Yes. Many in Hamas do. And many in the Israeli government want to take over the occupied Palestinian territories and turn them into a Jewish state and have been gradually doing so for close to 60 years.

Justifying the starvation of 2.2 million, mass slaughter of tens of thousands and destruction of homes as defending yourself against some with arms who want your destruction sure as hell also justifies Oct 7. The reality however is both are outrageous and unjustifiable.

 

[JB1975]

Answer the question. Do Hamas want to take over Israel and turn it into an Islamic state, it's not hard

Which Hamas are we talking about?

Are we talking about the Hamas that Netanyahu supported at the expense of the moderate Palestinian Authority?

The Hamas which Israel has recently supported, and facilitated the funneling of billions towards?

The Hamas which last faced an election in Gaza before the 15,000 or so children Israel has butchered were even born?

That Hamas?

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Hamas maintains a desire to destroy Israel. It's ability to destroy Israel is not commensurate with that desire.

That's why Israel's response to October 7 is as disproportionate as well as genocidal.

 

[manicpie]

Which Hamas are we talking about?

Are we talking about the Hamas that Netanyahu supported at the expense of the moderate Palestinian Authority?

The Hamas which Israel has recently supported, and facilitated the funneling of billions towards?

The Hamas which last faced an election in Gaza before the 15,000 or so children Israel has butchered were even born?

That Hamas?

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Hamas maintains a desire to destroy Israel. It's ability to destroy Israel is not commensurate with that desire.

That's why Israel's response to October 7 is as disproportionate as well as genocidal.

Still haven't or refuse to answer a simple question. Does Hamas want to take over Israel and turn it into an Islamic state. You'd make a great politician

 

[NMBB]

Stuff the Israelis and Palestinians. I just want a price freeze on pies. If Albo doesn't deliver that he's dead to me. And Penny is foreign affairs, so dumplings too.

Price freeze on pies and a dynasty for the Pies - goes well together

 

[sr36]

if you're looking for a future involved with anything involving pork, I've got bad news...

Meh. China's hour is coming. It'll be haram/trefah everywhere - forced pork consumption throughout the middle east.

Haram shops in middle eastern and other muslim countries rock - booze and pork products - a one stop shop for all your daily needs.

 

[Markfs]

I just viewed this video by CNN. I think israeli supporters will get a kick out of it.

 

[JB1975]

Ordinary Israelis (very ordinary) sabotaging food supplies to the starving of Gaza. A regular event, not something which bothers the authorities.

It might please them that those starving Gazan children will be less able to play their part in the overthrow of Israel.

Hooray for self-defence.

 

[Markfs]

You're adorable

i know. i'm really keen on the free trip to israel...

 

[manicpie]

Which Hamas are we talking about?

Are we talking about the Hamas that Netanyahu supported at the expense of the moderate Palestinian Authority?

The Hamas which Israel has recently supported, and facilitated the funneling of billions towards?

The Hamas which last faced an election in Gaza before the 15,000 or so children Israel has butchered were even born?

That Hamas?

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Hamas maintains a desire to destroy Israel. It's ability to destroy Israel is not commensurate with that desire.

That's why Israel's response to October 7 is as disproportionate as well as genocidal.

Lives are never disproportionate, regardless of numbers. At least you agree that Hamas wants to destroy Israel. Why can't they defend themselves against this.

 

[JB1975]

Still haven't or refuse to answer a simple question. Does Hamas want to take over Israel and turn it into an Islamic state. You'd make a great politician

I've answered your question on multiple occasions.

You'd make a great self-funded retiree with no ambition except to look obtuse.

 

[JB1975]

i know. i'm really keen on the free trip to israel...

You disappeared for a few weeks. I thought you'd 'won' the free trip to Israel you dream of.

 

[manicpie]

I've answered your question on multiple occasions.

You'd make a great self-funded retiree with no ambition except to look obtuse.

That's mean. The only reason I ever bought that up is because I was being ridiculed as a dunb ass 6 months ago. My only intention was to stick up for my dumbness and try and prove that I managed to do okay regardless of my education level. But if it makes you feel better, then that's fine.

 

[manicpie]

You disappeared for a few weeks. I thought you'd 'won' the free trip to Israel you dream of.

Israel would be the last country I would want to visit. Not sure where you got that from

 

[Markfs]

You disappeared for a few weeks. I thought you'd 'won' the free trip to Israel you dream of.

i didnt do enough. The AJA boys really want commitment. They told me that liberal pollies use the prone position. I'm not sure that I'm that committed. Evidently Dutton volunteered for seconds.

 

[IlovethePies]

That's mean. The only reason I ever bought that up is because I was being ridiculed as a dunb ass 6 months ago. My only intention was to stick up for my dumbness and try and prove that I managed to do okay regardless of my education level. But if it makes you feel better, then that's fine.

You have just acknowledged that your education level is low. Not your fault. But it is your responsibility to educate yourself questions of world historical importance before you just blather out ignorant opinions.

 

[sr36]

This thread is more dazzling than the Aurora australis

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Manic is in the boxing ring tomorrow. This is how he likes to prepare. A few jabs and right hooks.

 

[Markfs]

Israel would be the last country I would want to visit. Not sure where you got that from

Not everything is about you.

 

[manicpie]

Not everything is about you.

Then why do you keep making it about me. I know I'm good but I'm not looking for pats on the back

 

[manicpie]

I'm even getting PM'S from someone, I must be a lucky person