List Mgmt. All Trades and Draft Part 2- Draft edition

Obeanie1

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Elite runner who has shown he is afl ready to come in and play a role on the wing or defence if needed . On a rookie wage taking up a rookie spot.

Pretty good depth to me
Except he really didnt show much in the Beagles where he should have been dominating.

Do you keep a Smith or look for the next Tim Kelly? Thats the question.
 

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Obeanie1

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Not to us but I imagine the actual recruiting team will have a preferred order that they think is from best to worst.
At that stage of the draft the difference in quality of whats left I would be surprised if there was an obvious outstanding choice though. You get smaller skilful types. Athletes who are still learning and developing. Some with attitude issues. Footballers who arent as athletic. Rucks who will take time. Good players who picked up an injury in their draft year.
 

Godfather32

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Elite runner who has shown he is afl ready to come in and play a role on the wing or defence if needed . On a rookie wage taking up a rookie spot.

Pretty good depth to me
I see the reasoning behind keeping him on the rookie list but he's such a meh player. If it came to it I'd rather we played Cripps up on the wing than bring Smith into the team.
 

Godfather32

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At that stage of the draft the difference in quality of whats left I would be surprised if there was an obvious outstanding choice though. You get smaller skilful types. Athletes who are still learning and developing. Some with attitude issues. Footballers who arent as athletic. Rucks who will take time. Good players who picked up an injury in their draft year.
They'd have to order them some way though, it's not like they're going to put up pictures of everyone left in the draft and throw darts at them.
 

mattyc75

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Except he really didnt show much in the Beagles where he should have been dominating.

Do you keep a Smith or look for the next Tim Kelly? Thats the question.
I agree but can see why he was brought in(mainly to help the young beagles team) and why he would be kept(to fill mastens role)
Having said that he has absolutely no role in defence in the seniors,we have plenty of guys queuing up for a game and with kelly coming in our midfield is stacked so i agree he should be delisted and either pick a speculative youngster or a star state league player who could actually add something if called upon

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Seadog

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Don't really understand this? Rioli's punishment is ASADA's call, not the AFL's. And his movement to the rookie list would be due to the fact he could be banned for up to 4 years, not because of salary cap.
Not so, the AFL sets the penalties, if ASADA doesn't agree with the penalty they will take action as they did in the Essendon case.
 

Suma Magic

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So how many picks are we using again?

Masten - Kelly
Mutimer - Watson

2-6 outs and potential outs, you’d think we maybe retain 1 or 2 at most:

M. Allen
Brayshaw
Watson
McInnes
Brooksby
Smith

If we retain only 1 (on the rookie list) then we use 2 ND picks and 3 RD picks to stay at 39/5.

Then if Ah Chee goes we use 6 total picks.

Five picks seems to be the best guess.
 

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Obeanie1

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They'd have to order them some way though, it's not like they're going to put up pictures of everyone left in the draft and throw darts at them.
Thats not what Im saying. I am suggesting that at that point in the draft there is likely 10 players all ranked very close together with not much seperating them at all. When thatis the case we should select on needs as they arent far apart.

What would be interesting is how the club ranks its own abilities to rectify any specific deficencies. Or how well and how do they they assess / rank injury. How do we assess risk and risk mitigation in drafting.

Take Taylor for example. I would expect that with the resources and leaders we have we may be more confident improving attitude than we are at teaching an athlete how to play football. We may discount injured players more than fit underdeveloped kids from a basketball background.
 
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Keys

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Willie signed a contract extension so unless there is a clause covering what has happened that we engage he will get the same. I could see him take a cut for being a silly boy and unable to play.
Rioli will be in breach of contract so the club will be within its legal rights to terminate his contract or reduce its value although they probably need to wait until the tribunal has determined his guilt/punishment before acting

Whether he’s put in the rookie list or not would have no bearing on how much he’s paid though as it’s purely as a list management tool
 

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Miguel Sanchez

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To put him on the rookie list would mean delisting him and then redrafting him in the rookie draft. It’d be risky for a couple of reasons:
- the effect being delisted would have on his mental health, although I’m sure the club would be at pains to point out to him that it’s solely for list management reasons and they’re still standing by him;
- with the new rules, delisting him would effectively make him a free agent for life, meaning any time he comes out of contract he can sign with whoever he wants.

Neither is a reason not to do it, but just a couple of consequences to keep in mind.
 

ziad

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To put him on the rookie list would mean delisting him and then redrafting him in the rookie draft. It’d be risky for a couple of reasons:
- the effect being delisted would have on his mental health, although I’m sure the club would be at pains to point out to him that it’s solely for list management reasons and they’re still standing by him;
- with the new rules, delisting him would effectively make him a free agent for life, meaning any time he comes out of contract he can sign with whoever he wants.

Neither is a reason not to do it, but just a couple of consequences to keep in mind.
The key risk is 4 years, 1 year is a much lesser risk
 

Barlos Crathwaite

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To put him on the rookie list would mean delisting him and then redrafting him in the rookie draft. It’d be risky for a couple of reasons:
- the effect being delisted would have on his mental health, although I’m sure the club would be at pains to point out to him that it’s solely for list management reasons and they’re still standing by him;
- with the new rules, delisting him would effectively make him a free agent for life, meaning any time he comes out of contract he can sign with whoever he wants.

Neither is a reason not to do it, but just a couple of consequences to keep in mind.
this
 

Bleedblueandgold

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Except he really didnt show much in the Beagles where he should have been dominating.

Do you keep a Smith or look for the next Tim Kelly? Thats the question.
Exactly, he didn't warrant a contract extension based on his WAFL performances. Brooksby for example did a lot more, but we simply don't need him. Shouldn't reward him simply because he has some AFL experience.
 

truman

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Except he really didnt show much in the Beagles where he should have been dominating.

Do you keep a Smith or look for the next Tim Kelly? Thats the question.
I think that ship would have sailed ... Pickett! I wasn't annoyed about not picking up Kelly, but after failing to trade him in last year I'm surprised we didn't rookie Pickett!
 

Obeanie1

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I think that ship would have sailed ... Pickett! I wasn't annoyed about not picking up Kelly, but after failing to trade him in last year I'm surprised we didn't rookie Pickett!
One ship sails and another is coming over the horizon.

Pickett obviously didnt fit our club requirements in previous behaviour. No matter if reformed or not. We are very conservative in that respect. Cost us Stack and will likely cost us other good options.

Just because we stuffed up on Kelly doesnt mean we so looking and taking a punt. The 'egg on face' is still very fresh on that front.
 

mattyc75

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One ship sails and another is coming over the horizon.

Pickett obviously didnt fit our club requirements in previous behaviour. No matter if reformed or not. We are very conservative in that respect. Cost us Stack and will likely cost us other good options.

Just because we stuffed up on Kelly doesnt mean we so looking and taking a punt. The 'egg on face' is still very fresh on that front.
It was a horrendous error not to rookie pickett.i believe he wouldve regularly getting games for us and we wouldve made the top 4.
Hope the eagles have adjusted their mindset

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