Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-

[Del203211]

And they won't touch gambling advertising

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[AlwaysHawks15]

Can be done but you need a mix of the policies with the right personality / image.

Shorten (rightly or wrongly) was viewed as an untrustworthy snake and was a bad choice as leader. His ****up wasn’t his policies as leader, it was his work during Rudd / Gillard.

People will go along with logical policies when it’s sold and communicated to them by the right candidate that they think is doing it for the right reasons.

The Labor Party (federally at least) is now pretty much incapable of recognising and choosing the right leader and also having the right progressive policies.

They are just completely out of touch with mainstream Australia.

Scomo did the same thing to Turnbull (knifed him) just like Turnbull knifed Abbott and that didn't affect them at the ballot box. That argument should be put to bed. It's not the reason Shorten lost, it was the electorate being hit with too much all at once and not wanting to make wholesale changes to how they deemed there lives would become. It's no different now. Albo could try it but he wouldn't get far before the opposing views drown out what he would be trying to do. Than the media joins the pile on and it would be all over. There are things he can do better but being ultra progressive isn't one of them.

 

[JackOutback]

Scomo did the same thing to Turnbull (knifed him) just like Turnbull knifed Abbott and that didn't affect them at the ballot box. That argument should be put to bed. It's not the reason Shorten lost, it was the electorate being hit with too much all at once and not wanting to make wholesale changes to how they deemed there lives would become. It's no different now. Albo could try it but he wouldn't get far before the opposing views drown out what he would be trying to do. Than the media joins the pile on and it would be all over. There are things he can do better but being ultra progressive isn't one of them.

The difference in media reaction and narrative around Labor’s leadership disunity and the Liberal’s was chalk and cheese. The reaction to Rudd/Gillard was hysterical whereas the reaction to Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison was ‘refreshing change’. Even the ABC bought into it. Was absolutely embarrassing.

 

[AvantGardener]

The difference in media reaction and narrative around Labor’s leadership disunity and the Liberal’s was chalk and cheese. The reaction to Rudd/Gillard was hysterical whereas the reaction to Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison was ‘refreshing change’. Even the ABC bought into it. Was absolutely embarrassing.

Thats because the circumstances were chalk and cheese.

Rudd was coming off a period we had stability in Howard. Rudd had good popularity. It was novel and unexpected and he was liked.

By the time Abbott (unpopular) and Turnbull (becoming unpopular) the novelty had also worn off and we were accustomed to disruptions.

Rudd then stuck around in the shadows and challenged again. The other two weren't as disruptive.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Thats because the circumstances were chalk and cheese.

Rudd was coming off a period we had stability in Howard. Rudd had good popularity. It was novel and unexpected and he was liked.

By the time Abbott (unpopular) and Turnbull (becoming unpopular) the novelty had also worn off and we were accustomed to disruptions.

Rudd then stuck around in the shadows and challenged again. The other two weren't as disruptive.

Yeah weren't as disruptive, Turnbull goes out of his way to undermine the direction of the Liberal party. He did it while Scomo was PM and has been doing it since. Abbott certainly undermined Turnbull at times as well but was told by members of the party to keep his thoughts to himself. This narrative that the handover was different from both parties is nonsense. The right wing media made more of a big deal out of the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd changeover than they ever did with Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison because it suited the agenda. "They are in control this is just a minor blip under their stewardship" and when it was Labor it was " turmoil, disaster, complete shambles etc" we all know this to be fact and it's partly why Albo is gun shy with policy and decision making.

 

[AvantGardener]

Yeah weren't as disruptive, Turnbull goes out of his way to undermine the direction of the Liberal party. He did it while Scomo was PM and has been doing it since. Abbott certainly undermined Turnbull at times as well but was told by members of the party to keep his thoughts to himself. This narrative that the handover was different from both parties is nonsense. The right wing media made more of a big deal out of the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd changeover than they ever did with Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison because it suited the agenda. "They are in control this is just a minor blip under their stewardship" and when it was Labor it was " turmoil, disaster, complete shambles etc" we all know this to be fact and it's partly why Albo is gun shy with policy and decision making.

I said not as disruptive, not that they werent disruptive. Neither can compete with Rudd getting the job back. We had about 5 leaders go full terms or more in the 25 yrs leading up to Gillard/Rudd. It was massive news. By time Scomo did it to Turnbull it was ho hum (Scomo also did a good job hiding the knife). First times of everything are always more exciting, no difference to the reporting of these knivings.

 

[sdfc]

Thats because the circumstances were chalk and cheese.

Rudd was coming off a period we had stability in Howard. Rudd had good popularity. It was novel and unexpected and he was liked.

By the time Abbott (unpopular) and Turnbull (becoming unpopular) the novelty had also worn off and we were accustomed to disruptions.

Rudd then stuck around in the shadows and challenged again. The other two weren't as disruptive.

Rudd seams to have been liked by people who didn't know but disliked by people who did.

 

[Gough]

Rudd seams to have been liked by people who didn't know but disliked by people who did.

Even the people who'd heard the stories voted for him because it meant ridding ourselves of Howard.

 

[sdfc]

Even the people who'd heard the stories voted for him because it meant ridding ourselves of Howard.

And Howard lost his seat. It was a brilliant result.

 

[Rotayjay]

I'm actually a fan of Kevin Rudd. I don't give a damn about his personality. He had vision and loved Australia and its potential. I maintain that had Gillard not moved against him in 2010, Rudd would have won the 2010 election, Abbott would have fallen by the wayside, and Labor would have served at least three terms rather than two.

 

[Ivelisse]

Shorten (rightly or wrongly) was viewed as an untrustworthy snake and was a bad choice as leader. His ****up wasn’t his policies as leader, it was his work during Rudd / Gillard.

Swing voters don't know/remember/care what Shorten was doing 12-6 years before 2019

 

[Rob R]

I don't mind Albo, closer to the centre like the Labor of old.

My concern is that Plibersek will knife him, and that's when the shit will hit the fan. This is a person who didn't understand what "Aspiration" meant, and with her being the child of Eastern European immigrants who went on to live a privileged life amassing a multi-million dollar property portfolio, and a senior minister job on a salary better than 99% of Australians.

Plibersek is unelectable. It will be Chalmers that tries although Marles ambition is far beyond his ability (failing badly as defence minister)

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[Rob R]

Super Nintendo Chalmers is even wetter lettuce leaf than Albo, has to be Marles.

Marles is a disaster, chickened out of making tough decisions in defence, continues to bloat the bureaucracy and just keeps making promises that can't be delivered

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[MarcMaverick]

Here's something I've been wondering: Why can't a Senator be a PM?

 

[peetoo]

Rudds first year textbook response to GFC (no thanks to the previous govt )

Daylight ahead of scomo and fryzo giving out dollars with gay abandon in covid lockdowns.

Yet it was the liberals who ran to the papers Turing gfc shouting ‘oh the waste’

Part of what we have now it’s the scomo govt heating up an economy which want in an economic recession

 

[peetoo]

Marles is a disaster, chickened out of making tough decisions in defence, continues to bloat the bureaucracy and just keeps making promises that can't be delivered

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This beaurocracy thing, you know there is a strategy to re arm actual public service with expertise and drastically cut down on big 4 consultancies?

 

[Rotayjay]

Here's something I've been wondering: Why can't a Senator be a PM?

It's simply a Westminster convention. The leader who can command a majority in the lower house is the prime minister. In actual Westminster, the upper house was entirely unelected when Australia was formed. Therefore the convention developed that the prime minister should have a democratic mandate.

I think the reason the convention persists with our elected Senate is that:

1. The government seldom has a majority in the Senate
2. Senators could be seen as less democratically elected than MPs because MPs have to personally face their voters every 3 years, while Senators just get in via a party group voting ticket and get to sit there for 6 years.
3. The PM answers questions during Question Time and that just wouldn't 'go' when the majority of ministers are in the House of Reps.

 

[MarcMaverick]

It's simply a Westminster convention. The leader who can command a majority in the lower house is the prime minister. In actual Westminster, the upper house was entirely unelected when Australia was formed. Therefore the convention developed that the prime minister should have a democratic mandate.

I think the reason the convention persists with our elected Senate is that:

1. The government seldom has a majority in the Senate
2. Senators could be seen as less democratically elected than MPs because MPs have to personally face their voters every 3 years, while Senators just get in via a party group voting ticket and get to sit there for 6 years.
3. The PM answers questions during Question Time and that just wouldn't 'go' when the majority of ministers are in the House of Reps.

Ah, Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Rob R]

This beaurocracy thing, you know there is a strategy to re arm actual public service with expertise and drastically cut down on big 4 consultancies?

I want what you describe but he is creating more Band 1, 2 and 3 in Canberra whilst public servant numbers who actually deliver services are cut and the consultants continue.

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[sdfc]

Government spending has been driving employment growth for at least a year.

 

[peetoo]

I want what you describe but he is creating more Band 1, 2 and 3 in Canberra whilst public servant numbers who actually deliver services are cut and the consultants continue.

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Tip, you won’t get this from liberal or sky talking points. Keep up

Govt slashes spending on big four consulting firms by $890m

The Albanese government has slashed spending on big four consulting firms by $890 million since 2021-22.

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[Gralin]

I'm actually a fan of Kevin Rudd. I don't give a damn about his personality. He had vision and loved Australia and its potential. I maintain that had Gillard not moved against him in 2010, Rudd would have won the 2010 election, Abbott would have fallen by the wayside, and Labor would have served at least three terms rather than two.

The thing about campaigners with a vision is they're still campaigners and their vision and how they get their is going to influenced by that fact.

The number of people who think being a giant shit stain of a human is fine if you say the right thing is mind boggling to me

That said I don't think good people become leaders of political parties anymore if they ever really did

The idea of statesmen is propaganda

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

To me Jason Clare is the heir apparent

 

[Gralin]

Thinking a new leader will make the party better ignores how power in the party works I reckon

 

[Ivelisse]

Here's something I've been wondering: Why can't a Senator be a PM?

In 1968 a senator was Prime Minister