Apples' Training Reports

[ClaytonM]

I think we need at least one of Moore or The Sack on top of Howe and Treloar. We need to neutralise their talls at either end as much as possible.

If Moore not up to it then it has to be The Sack. The Sack is a purely defensive player. How he is used may depend on how the game develops and where that defensive work is required on game day.

 

[Lefthanded]

Training Report: Pre Final v West Coast
It was blowing a gale as we walked through Yarra Park. At the MCC, Richmond and Hawthorn fans were queued for tonight's final.
It's a mild morning and as we arrive, there seem to be more media people than supporters, but that changes as the players wander onto the oval.
We're going to watch 4 players this morning and we'll be tweeting as we go.
Treloar looked almost ready last Thursday, so he will be watched carefully.
•Sier has been to the barber and sports a Thai schoolboy/military fade-cut. Didn't think that look would ever be popular here, but there you go.
•Treloar was late to come onto the oval and went straight to the step routine. No problems here as he stepped up nice and high.
•Howie looks as good as new.
•Players are called into a huddle and there are some loud cheers. I can't see who is being cheered, but the bloke nearby thinks it's Goldy.
•In match play, Reid plays full back on Goldsack. Moore plays full back at the other end on Cox.
•Sier stands beside Treloar and Pendles takes Adams. Pendlebury is outstanding during this drill. Looks to have recovered well.
•Adams trains like a house on fire.
•Coxy outmarks Madgen and kicks a nice goal.
•Now Moore opposed to Grundy, judges it nicely as he floats across the pack to mark.
•Pendles continuing to shine, balks and weaves through the middle.
•Now it's Reid v Langdon and Langdon marks easily.
•Howe is a lock after this session. Treloar hasn't touched it while I have been watching, but I'm told he did have a few possies.
•Apples and Wills work all morning with a trainer and do no match work.
•Now the team breaks up into 3 groups (backs, mids and forwards,). Bucks watches the mids (which includes Treloar) very closely.
•Now most of the players leave the track. Wow there are some very vocal supporters here today. One lady has leather lungs and screams her support much to the mirth of Stevo from 7 and the other assembled media.
•Suspect this old dear will get a gig on the news tonight.
•Now Bucks mischievously suggests to Leather Lungs that she call out her support for Howie. She obliges.
•Significantly, Goldsack leaves with the main group. Others who remain on the track are: Callum & Tyler Brown, McLarty, Murphy, Blair, Crocker, Oxley, Reid and Moore.
That looks bad for Oxley and Murphy I reckon.
•Treloar got through the session so is probably in line for selection, but he didn't do anything much. Moore and Reid look ready to my eyes. They should be good to go next week. Both have let us down many, many times by leaving the field in big games. They can't be risked this week.
•It appears from today that Goldsack may play. I'd be shocked. Not because we don't need his height and big game experience, but because he has played 2 games in 12 months. It's a risk.
•There was something not quite right about today's session. I reckon there might be some gamesmanship going on to be honest.
Happy to answer any questions.

Great work as usual, although your reference to Appleby as Apples (given your handle) made me do a doubletake and think, who is he referring to!

 

[Lefthanded]

Goldy was good on the track; better than Treloar to be honest. Both Moore and Reid look ready. They too looked better than Treloar. Adam was somehow a bit subdued, as if he was being super cautious.
Would I take Reid or Moore on a 3 hour plane trip? Probably not. Next week, they both have to be considered. We need a tall defender and if it isn't Reid or Moore, this week then maybe it is Goldy.

Bolded not to your usual standard - reads as if losing this week is forgone conclusion.

 

[Lefthanded]

Don't like the sound of it at all, leave the forward set up that has worked all year alone IMO.

Last year I'd be inclined to second guess the coaching staff but this year I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I will be interested to see the squad they select. Goldy a good option for travelling emergency (esp if Moore or Reid selected) but also a player who gives us flexibility (height without sacrificing pace albeit sacrifices match fitness and disposal quality) and increases chances of keeping Mihocek forward. That said, I think it's hard to select a guy who's only played approx 65 and 75% game time in last two weeks of VFL.

 

[rand corp]

We've rolled the dice with Goldy, Howe and Treloar but why not? With the double chance we -at the very least- get a game into each of them. With a side containging Ox, Magden and Murphy down back -regardless of their efforts to date- we were looking very shaky in defense going into a final and against Kennedy and Darling. We know if these 3 boys play anywhere near their best footy we are a big chance and really, we just need Goldy to blanket a dangerous opponent.

 

[Apples]

Great work as usual, although your reference to Appleby as Apples (given your handle) made me do a doubletake and think, who is he referring to!

We are both known as Apples. Most Applebys get that nickname.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Gamesmanship...like a late change on game day? Hopefully it's Moore for Goldsack.

I hope not. Goldsack is a better player.


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[cleomenes]

I had another look at our West Coast game yesterday and was struck by how well Moore played on Kennedy. If we had been able to bring him back in, i would have been very happy with that match up. Goldsack will approach the defensive task very differently, and I am not sure if he can do it as well. On the Goldsack front, I was a bit disconcerted with some quotes I saw in an article somewhere where he said he was tentative and restricted in his VFL games. Unless this was meant as some sort of deception, it should be a worry fro everyone.

 

[Apples]

Bolded not to your usual standard - reads as if losing this week is forgone conclusion.

That was a slip; it was meant to be next game obviously.

 

[cakewalk06]

I hope not. Goldsack is a better player.


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I love Goldy as much as the next Pies man but Moore is a better player by the length of a Peter Daicos torpedo.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

I love Goldy as much as the next Pies man but Moore is a better player by the length of a Peter Daicos torpedo.

Nuts to that. Check this out from last year:-

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...pid2=4023&fid1=P&fopt1=2017&fid2=P&fopt2=2017

Goldsack has:-
- More handballs/disposals per game
- More tackles
- More effective disposals
- 81% DE compared to Moore 69%
- More 1% (6 to 2)
- More time on ground
- More intercepts
- Pretty much equal for Metres gained, contested disposals
- Less clangers, less frees against

Granted they played in different positions last year, but to say Moore is better by such a margin is untenable.

Edit: If you compare Goldsack last year to Moore this year, it's even worse for Darcy: https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...&pid1=1781&pid2=4023&fid1=P&fopt1=2017&fid2=S
Moore has:-
- Less disposals, contested possessions, effective disposals, 1%, metres gained and TOG

 

[cakewalk06]

Nuts to that. Check this out from last year:-

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...pid2=4023&fid1=P&fopt1=2017&fid2=P&fopt2=2017

Goldsack has:-
- More handballs/disposals per game
- More tackles
- More effective disposals
- 81% DE compared to Moore 69%
- More 1% (6 to 2)
- More time on ground
- More intercepts
- Pretty much equal for Metres gained, contested disposals
- Less clangers, less frees against

Granted they played in different positions last year, but to say Moore is better by such a margin is untenable.

Edit: If you compare Goldsack last year to Moore this year, it's even worse for Darcy: https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...&pid1=1781&pid2=4023&fid1=P&fopt1=2017&fid2=S
Moore has:-
- Less disposals, contested possessions, effective disposals, 1%, metres gained and TOG

One's a KPP, the other a HBF. Stats are barely relevant and if they were it's a bit unfair to use Moore's numbers for this year considering his injury woes. Goldie's a role player who has rated 15-22 in the team his whole career. Moore, IF we can ever get him properly fit, will fit inside the top 5 on a list.

Just my opinion

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

One's a KPP, the other a HBF. Stats are barely relevant and if they were it's a bit unfair to use Moore's numbers for this year considering his injury woes. Goldie's a role player who has rated 15-22 in the team his whole career. Moore, IF we can ever get him properly fit, will fit inside the top 5 on a list.

Just my opinion

Goldie's numbers were worse this year to be fair

Being a better player means actual game time, too. Just having potential isn't enough. I guess what I'm clumsily saying is that Goldsack is a better-than-ordinary player because he gets his body right so consistently as well as getting the most out of his ability.

Anyway you were the one who compared them even though they play different positions! Play 'em both I say. If I were to find a spot for Tyson while Moore was playing, I'd be subbing out Aish or Mayne and playing Goldie on the wing. Great defensive nous, can kick long, applies pressure and is tough as nails.

 

[pablo disco bar]

At least we all know the sack will put his balls on the line

 

[cakewalk06]

Goldie's numbers were worse this year to be fair

Being a better player means actual game time, too. Just having potential isn't enough. I guess what I'm clumsily saying is that Goldsack is a better-than-ordinary player because he gets his body right so consistently as well as getting the most out of his ability.

Anyway you were the one who compared them even though they play different positions! Play 'em both I say. If I were to find a spot for Tyson while Moore was playing, I'd be subbing out Aish or Mayne and playing Goldie on the wing. Great defensive nous, can kick long, applies pressure and is tough as nails.

Not really.. i was responding to and disagreeing with a poster who said: ''I hope not. Goldsack is a better player. ''


And agreed I wish both of them were out there. Goldie for his aggression, great tackling and wonderful application... hope his kicking will still have that great depth. Moore to give us someone who has a chance of stopping the big forwards in the air. Seriously good closing speed.

 

[Collingwoodity]

I love Goldy as much as the next Pies man but Moore is a better player by the length of a Peter Daicos torpedo.

He has the potential to be but currently I don’t think he is.

He was average as a forward and has played very few games as a back man.


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[Kilmo]

Nuts to that. Check this out from last year:-

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...pid2=4023&fid1=P&fopt1=2017&fid2=P&fopt2=2017

Goldsack has:-
- More handballs/disposals per game
- More tackles
- More effective disposals
- 81% DE compared to Moore 69%
- More 1% (6 to 2)
- More time on ground
- More intercepts
- Pretty much equal for Metres gained, contested disposals
- Less clangers, less frees against

Granted they played in different positions last year, but to say Moore is better by such a margin is untenable.

Edit: If you compare Goldsack last year to Moore this year, it's even worse for Darcy: https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...&pid1=1781&pid2=4023&fid1=P&fopt1=2017&fid2=S
Moore has:-
- Less disposals, contested possessions, effective disposals, 1%, metres gained and TOG

Darcy’s stats this year would be skewed by a number of games where he got injured mid game

 

[jackcass]

He has the potential to be but currently I don’t think he is.

He was average as a forward and has played very few games as a back man.


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As a poster more inclined to talk down Moore on what he's delivered relative to his potential, if it was a case of both being 100% fit and available, I'd take Moore into this game ahead of the Sack. Sack traditionally a player who takes time to find form. That's a luxury not afforded in a finals campaign.

 

[sr36]

At least we all know the sack will put his balls on the line

That tactic may put Kennedy off his game, but I suspect it'll result in Goldsack and the Pies receiving an AFL sanction for conducting unbecoming.

 

[pablo disco bar]

Hoping aish has a breakout game and proes me wrong

 

[TheSierBear]

Hoping aish has a breakout game and proes me wrong

I'd love that too Paul. By the way it's *proves*,

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

That tactic may put Kennedy off his game, but I suspect it'll result in Goldsack and the Pies receiving an AFL sanction for conducting unbecoming.

They have to be all the way over the line for it to count.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

Dusty had all 3 balls over the line last night (before the underground handpass) and umps didn't seem to mind.

 

[Copeland]

Goldy was good on the track; better than Treloar to be honest. Both Moore and Reid look ready. They too looked better than Treloar. Adam was somehow a bit subdued, as if he was being super cautious.
Would I take Reid or Moore on a 3 hour plane trip? Probably not. Next week, they both have to be considered. We need a tall defender and if it isn't Reid or Moore, this week then maybe it is Goldy.

We aren't playing next week

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Nuts to that. Check this out from last year:-

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...pid2=4023&fid1=P&fopt1=2017&fid2=P&fopt2=2017

Goldsack has:-
- More handballs/disposals per game
- More tackles
- More effective disposals
- 81% DE compared to Moore 69%
- More 1% (6 to 2)
- More time on ground
- More intercepts
- Pretty much equal for Metres gained, contested disposals
- Less clangers, less frees against

Granted they played in different positions last year, but to say Moore is better by such a margin is untenable.

Edit: If you compare Goldsack last year to Moore this year, it's even worse for Darcy: https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...&pid1=1781&pid2=4023&fid1=P&fopt1=2017&fid2=S
Moore has:-
- Less disposals, contested possessions, effective disposals, 1%, metres gained and TOG

I'm in the Moore camp and by lots.

Simplest question you can only take 1 and both are going well and healthy,

Who do you take, Goldsack or Moore?

To me not even a contest, Moore every time and twice on game day.