Apples' Training Reports

[Old Spice]

The highest element of risk is the 20 games....

I'll take a piece on the basis of averages, presuming he plays 10 games or more.

 

[ZEV]

I'll take a piece on the basis of averages, presuming he plays 10 games or more.

No less than 5? Completed games as well, none of this Dane Swan Don Bradman average business....

 

[sr36]

Coming off 2 Knee Reco's I would not blame him not going into Contest 100%

I wouldn't blame him either, but I also wouldn't play him until he starts looking to impact contests rather than routinely looking to leach away from the contest to pick up a cheap receive.

 

[sr36]

He has played 14 career games.

Averaged highest rebound 50's at the club last year and by the look of the last four games that's what his job is. Should finish comfortably top 5 in AFL next year for rebound 50's if he can play 20 games.

Player has the ball just outside defensive 50. Shaz calls for and receives a backward pass inside defensive 50 and then passes off to teammate on the other side of the ground - just outside defensive. Yay. Shaz 1 kick, 1 mark, 1 rebound 50. If he's lucky, the player will kick it back to him and double these stats from this play.

We chipped the ball around ludicrously in defence in the back half of last year. Combine this with Shaz's style of falling off the contest looking for a cheap receive and him not attempting to do anything with the footy - I'm really not interested in hearing about his stat sheet.

 

[CFC2010]

Player has the ball just outside defensive 50. Shaz calls for and receives a backward pass inside defensive 50 and then passes off to teammate on the other side of the ground - just outside defensive. Yay. Shaz 1 kick, 1 mark, 1 rebound 50. If he's lucky, the player will kick it back to him and double these stats from this play.

We chipped the ball around ludicrously in defence in the back half of last year. Combine this with Shaz's style of falling off the contest looking for a cheap receive and him not attempting to do anything with the footy - I'm really not interested in hearing about his stat sheet.

Don't want to burst your Shaz bubble but Reid and Goldsack often did this last year also.............any chance it was/is a Coach directive???

 

[Mark W]

I wouldn't blame him either, but I also wouldn't play him until he starts looking to impact contests rather than routinely looking to leach away from the contest to pick up a cheap receive.

I think that is simply not accurate.

Scharenberg, in only games 5-14 of his career, coming off two consecutive knee recos, had our 3rd best intercept stats on a per game basis. Behind the much more experienced Howe and Langdon, but equal to and in front of Goldsack, Dunn, (who everyone rightly claims had terrific seasons), Reid Maynard and Crisp. He doesn't just leach away to pick up cheap receives, he demonstrably does impact contests and take intercepting marks. Further I fully expect this aspect of his game to improve in 2018 as he develops more confidence in his body

 

[sr36]

Don't want to burst your Shaz bubble but Reid and Goldsack often did this last year also.............any chance it was/is a Coach directive???

You haven't burst my bubble. With what you've bolded, I was pointing out that Shaz's stats were inflated by our crabby playing style.

My view of Shaz is pretty simple.
The way I see it, you've got to do at least 2 of these 4 things and preferably 3 of them in order to earn your keep. Shaz only does the 3rd one:

• impact contests at ground level
• impact contests in the air
• receive well
• use the ball to advantage

 

[sr36]

I think that is simply not accurate.

Scharenberg, in only games 5-14 of his career, coming off two consecutive knee recos, had our 3rd best intercept stats on a per game basis. Behind the much more experienced Howe and Langdon, but equal to and in front of Goldsack, Dunn, (who everyone rightly claims had terrific seasons), Reid Maynard and Crisp. He doesn't just leach away to pick up cheap receives, he demonstrably does impact contests and take intercepting marks. Further I fully expect this aspect of his game to improve in 2018 as he develops more confidence in his body

His intercepting marks weren't in contests. They were from good play reading where he leached away from a contest and positioned himself 30 metres away to pick up the miskick from congestion. It's good play, taking advantage of his game reading strengths, but you've got to go when it's turn and it never seemed to be his turn. Frankly, I'd be happy for him to play in this style, if he was an attacking player who attacked with pace and dash or if he attacked with his kicking - ala Hurn, but he doesn't do these things.

 

[ZEV]

We chipped the ball around ludicrously in defence in the back half of last year. Combine this with Shaz's style of falling off the contest looking for a cheap receive and him not attempting to do anything with the footy - I'm really not interested in hearing about his stat sheet.

Fair enough, how about these guys last year,

Greenwood 5.1
Varcoe 3.75
Wells 4.3
Maynard 5.1
Dunn 3.9
Fasolo 5
Smith 3.53
Reid 4.9
Elliot 4.6
Moore 5.3

all averaged less contested possessions a game than Shaz (5.5)

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Every team needs good dependable players who don't cost a bomb. I value his contribution higher than a lot on here it seems.

You can't pick up new players on the cheap each year and expect them to know the game plan straight away. He's solid and dependable and I'm sure on a sensible wage.

He's a nice depth player who has got heaps out of himself.
A lot to be admired.
Not sure there is animus as such. Just not as highly rated as others.
I can think of a few I'd let go before him, that's for sure

 

[Bard]

You haven't burst my bubble. With what you've bolded, I was pointing out that Shaz's stats were inflated by our crabby playing style.

My view of Shaz is pretty simple.
The way I see it, you've got to do at least 2 of these 4 things and preferably 3 of them in order to earn your keep. Shaz only does the 3rd one:

• impact contests at ground level
• impact contests in the air
• receive well
• use the ball to advantage

He’s a good intercept mark and as written above the stats support this, your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant here. He may not use the ball to an offensive advantage but he doesn’t turn it over and many of his backwards kicks are kicks to switch the ball to the other side of the ground which is a valid tactic. So by your measure he’s 2.5/4 at worst, so nearly there and has only played 14 games.

Perhaps you’re frustrated with peoples’ expectations of him but you’re being far too critical.

 

[sr36]

He’s a good intercept mark and as written above the stats support this, your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant here. He may not use the ball to an offensive advantage but he doesn’t turn it over and many of his backwards kicks are kicks to switch the ball to the other side of the ground which is a valid tactic. So by your measure he’s 2.5/4 at worst, so nearly there and has only played 14 games.

Perhaps you’re frustrated with peoples’ expectations of him but you’re being far too critical.

He's only taken 6 contested marks in his 14 games. I don't have access to stats for spoils, but ut unless you can show me that his stats are high for this, I'd suggest that your claims that he impacts aerial contests are more anecdotal than my claims that he doesn't.

I'm frustrated with his style of game. I really don't like the way he plays and really hope that it is addressed. I view him as having some good attributes, but as a kick chaser who doesn't do anything with his kicks. The way I see it, he either needs to hit some contests, hit some attacking passes or hit the VFL. What worries me is that I haven't seen him show any intent in terms of either of those things I think he needs to hit.

 

[CFC2010]

He's only taken 6 contested marks in his 14 games. I don't have access to stats for spoils, but unless you can show me that his stats are high for this, I'd suggest that your claims that he impacts aerial contests are more anecdotal than my claims that he doesn't.

 

[Jasper84]

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I was captivated by the ladder.

 

[CFC2010]

I was captivated by the ladder.

But did you see King Kong Jasper?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

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What King Kong ?
Don’t try and trick us.

I can only see a ladder

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I was captivated by the ladder.

Same.

Great pick up Jasper

 

[jmac70]

You haven't burst my bubble. With what you've bolded, I was pointing out that Shaz's stats were inflated by our crabby playing style.

My view of Shaz is pretty simple.
The way I see it, you've got to do at least 2 of these 4 things and preferably 3 of them in order to earn your keep. Shaz only does the 3rd one:

• impact contests at ground level
• impact contests in the air
• receive well
• use the ball to advantage

He does the last three reasonably well IMO. Will likely improve further this season.

 

[Jasper84]

But did you see King Kong Jasper?

Looked more like Sasquatch to me. Which explains why the girl only needs a ladder to be the same height.

 

[Bad Horse]

I'm definitely seeing some gorillas in the mist

 

[sr36]

He does the last three reasonably well IMO. Will likely improve further this season.

I think he has the potential to do the last 3 very well, but don't think he yet uses the ball to advantage (I mean to the advantage of the team, not a safe backwards kick to the advantage of a teammate) or impacts contests in the air, I just haven't seen any evidence of either yet. Those are the two areas that he needs to develop and could quite easily develop, but it will take a mindset change.

I think it is definitely within his capability to become very strong in those two areas and thus a very solid AFL player. With his excellent reading of the play and his clean hands, he already receives extremely well.

 

[left at home]

But did you see King Kong Jasper?

Yep l saw king and kong there right out in front

 

[Daicos Torpedo]

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I noticed king and kong....

 

[jackcass]

Player has the ball just outside defensive 50. Shaz calls for and receives a backward pass inside defensive 50 and then passes off to teammate on the other side of the ground - just outside defensive. Yay. Shaz 1 kick, 1 mark, 1 rebound 50. If he's lucky, the player will kick it back to him and double these stats from this play.

We chipped the ball around ludicrously in defence in the back half of last year. Combine this with Shaz's style of falling off the contest looking for a cheap receive and him not attempting to do anything with the footy - I'm really not interested in hearing about his stat sheet.

That sums up the majority of our defensive players for long periods of many games but how much of that is
1. dictated by the work rate of players further afield and a subsequent lack of alternatives; and/or
2. a lack of senior experience in some of those defenders and a subsequent lack of confidence to take on much riskier options.

 

[left at home]

I noticed king and kong....

Should l have another look in case l missed it