Are You @$%&*! serious BAILEY!!!

[MicksterD]

I was at the game against the Hawks last weekend and I felt the pain of another pathetic output from the oldest and greatest football clubs on the entire planet.

I returned to Oz today after a couple of days overseas to read the following comment from our esteemed coach:

"Our first half, our tackles didn't stick and I thought our pressure was well below what you would expect," Bailey said.

"That was disappointing, particularly going into round one where there is a big build up to the game."

My first thought after reading those quotes was "Are You @$%&*! serious BAILEY!!"

This is a coach who has been in charge of our players for a coulple of years now....this year being the first year where he could give a full pre season to set his chargers to destroy without any need to tank...dare we say it....

But what do we get from the coach that has had the last 5 months to rev his team up...."That was disappointing, particularly going into round one where there is a big build up to the game." Who is to blame for that? We may have a young team but our endeavour was not evident from the first bounce....

My point - if you can't inspire a group of young talented blokes to throw themselves at every contest in return for potentially unlimited fame, money and p%ssy then seriously, what the f&ck can you do?

I have backed Bailey at every turn and every cross road but I have always conditioned that backing upon a delivery of effort regardless of result....but if the effort is not produced, the backing is not there......lets hope we see that effort this week and for at least the next 20 weeks after that....Bailey, enough of the excuses, show the supporters that you can produce the endeavour...

 

[THE D]

I was at the game against the Hawks last weekend and I felt the pain of another pathetic output from the oldest and greatest football clubs on the entire planet.

I returned to Oz today after a couple of days overseas to read the following comment from our esteemed coach:

"Our first half, our tackles didn't stick and I thought our pressure was well below what you would expect," Bailey said.

"That was disappointing, particularly going into round one where there is a big build up to the game."

My first thought after reading those quotes was "Are You @$%&*! serious BAILEY!!"

This is a coach who has been in charge of our players for a coulple of years now....this year being the first year where he could give a full pre season to set his chargers to destroy without any need to tank...dare we say it....

But what do we get from the coach that has had the last 5 months to rev his team up...."That was disappointing, particularly going into round one where there is a big build up to the game." Who is to blame for that? We may have a young team but our endeavour was not evident from the first bounce....

My point - if you can't inspire a group of young talented blokes to throw themselves at every contest in return for potentially unlimited fame, money and p%ssy then seriously, what the f&ck can you do?

I have backed Bailey at every turn and every cross road but I have always conditioned that backing upon a delivery of effort regardless of result....but if the effort is not produced, the backing is not there......lets hope we see that effort this week and for at least the next 20 weeks after that....Bailey, enough of the excuses, show the supporters that you can produce the endeavour...

Yep and if he can't . . . . Facebook already has a sack Bailey Page you can join to vent.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=11336956111&v=info

 

[Crusty Demon]

Yep and if he can't . . . . Facebook already has a sack Bailey Page you can join to vent.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=11336956111&v=info

Last thing the club needs now is a vendetta against the coach. As much as I'm frustrated with the result of last week, we need to see how we back up after a bad performance. How we play against Collingwood will be a step in either direction for me. We must remember that both Hawthorn and Collingwood(and Adelaide Round 3) are all teams who could possibly win the flag this year! 3-4 years ahead of us these teams. Yes, I do expect much better from this side, but we can't get carried away and headhunt the coach, yet. Give him at least half the season to prove that all this talk pre season about improvement is correct. We had half a dozen players who were pretty much on debut for Melbourne. What I want to see is the senior players of the team standing up and leading against a very good side this Saturday. I also want to see Bailey at least try something different. Make some moves that will make Malthouse at least earn his payday and please, man someone up on Heath Shaw! I'm not expecting to win, but I want to see something that will make me want to come back the following week...

 

[Darksidepoints]

The guy is under pressure - no doubt about it. It's all over the media and was even on the sport section of the news tonight.

I am sure no-one is realistically expecting a win this week, but holy s^&*, if the guy performs like last Saturday - blood will be spilt.

 

[Makka]

May I ask how long Bailey has left on his contract?

 

[Darksidepoints]

Was extended (god only knows why) this year to the end of 2011 season.

 

[Bails2008]

I am over the spin. You can use as many buzz words as you like, the simple fact is we are not progressing. I like Bailey but I am over hearing "competitive". I want to see IMPROVEMENT.

What about hardness, decision making, execution, defensive pressure. They are words I want to hear. More importantly it is what we want to start seeing.

The ability to pressure the opposition, tackle, chase, harass, commit to the contest etc should be non-negotiable. It is a willingness and a commitment to sacrifice for each other and the discipline to maintain the pressure.

After 3 years I have no greater idea of who looks like making it. Our players have not made much improvement from what I can see.

 

[Spoony]

I hope I don't annoy anyone commenting on your board, but can anyone explain why on earth Bailey's contract was extended, it is just ridicules its almost like you are trying to lose games by appointing a bad coach. Melbourne under Bailey don't seem to have any game plan it looks like your players just run around trying to get the ball, I’m am not trying to bag out any of your players but it is very hard to win games and play well without a serious game plan. Bailey appears to be lacking the tactical nous required of an AFL coach, He is also doing a bad job at installing a good culture at your club, which is essential to your future Premiership aspirations, to put it bluntly allot of your players although not all lack hardness at the ball and competitiveness they are way too soft, and bailey must hold responsibility for this. I am sorry if this offends anyone but I just thought I would add my too cents as an impartial observer.

 

[Ghost of Grinter]

Only one round has gone by.

We played a very good side in Hawthorn, we were debuting
kids and put under the pump by a very good side.

Its a touch premature to sack Bailey after one round.

Realistically, we will probably be worse than last year,
also from what Ive seen all sides - maybe bar Richmond -
looked to of evened up with the top tier sides and got
stronger.

Give it time, injuries havent helped again.

Baileys done a great job cleaning out Danihers mess.

 

[MicksterD]

Another cracker quote from Bailey:

"That's what our review was all about. Our review was based on when you haven't got the football, you've got to put immense pressure on the opposition to win it back, no questions."

I agree that this pressure has been missing from the Demons for a long long time but don't tell me Bail's has just worked this out.....

 

[Dean Chiron]

all very well to blame bailey but why is that the recruitment staff seem to always dodge the blame?
everyone talks about our "exciting young list" but apart from scully, jurrah, trengove & grimes, who are they?
our recruiters have always made bad decisions & the main culprit is now at Richmond.

 

[Gazza_11]

Apparently we're not going to get wasted this week because we're trying harder and applying defensive pressure. What a joke....

 

[dee64]

Only one round has gone by.

We played a very good side in Hawthorn, we were debuting
kids and put under the pump by a very good side.

Its a touch premature to sack Bailey after one round.

Realistically, we will probably be worse than last year,
also from what Ive seen all sides - maybe bar Richmond -
looked to of evened up with the top tier sides and got
stronger.

Give it time, injuries havent helped again.

Baileys done a great job cleaning out Danihers mess.

This comment makes me f#cken angry.

Daniher took over an ageing team that hadn't made the finals in 3 years, and took us to a prelim. in his 1st season, and a GF in his 3rd.

Bailey took over an ageing team that had missed the finals in 1 season (after 3 consecutive finals appearances), and has taken us to 2 wooden spoons, and a 3rd coming.

How the f#ck has Bailey done a great job???????

BTW, we were playing an injury riddled Hawthorn team that were also playing debuting kids. We were older and more experienced than Hawthorn. But don't let the truth get in the way of you Bailey fanaticism.

 

[Devastating Boris]

My apologies if i am mistaken but weren't Geelong and Hawks supporters calling for their respective coaches heads 2-3 years into their tenure? I think it must be part of the course.

 

[Gazza_11]

Slag off Daniher and you slag off every Melbourne support

 

[FOOOOTY]

This comment makes me f#cken angry.

Daniher took over an ageing team that hadn't made the finals in 3 years, and took us to a prelim. in his 1st season, and a GF in his 3rd.

Bailey took over an ageing team that had missed the finals in 1 season (after 3 consecutive finals appearances), and has taken us to 2 wooden spoons, and a 3rd coming.

How the f#ck has Bailey done a great job???????

BTW, we were playing an injury riddled Hawthorn team that were also playing debuting kids. We were older and more experienced than Hawthorn. But don't let the truth get in the way of you Bailey fanaticism.

This.

 

[Jordie_tackles]

This comment makes me f#cken angry.

Daniher took over an ageing team that hadn't made the finals in 3 years, and took us to a prelim. in his 1st season, and a GF in his 3rd.

Bailey took over an ageing team that had missed the finals in 1 season (after 3 consecutive finals appearances), and has taken us to 2 wooden spoons, and a 3rd coming.

How the f#ck has Bailey done a great job???????

BTW, we were playing an injury riddled Hawthorn team that were also playing debuting kids. We were older and more experienced than Hawthorn. But don't let the truth get in the way of you Bailey fanaticism.

What you have said is true, but daniher took over an ageing team and made finals and a grand final no doubt, but he also left us with an equally old team not making the finals and which wasnt going to ever cut it with (Geelong)..... or others
Bailey takes over an ageing team and one which lacked class in respect to the premier teams in the comp, hasnt put any runs on the table (as yet)..... but at the very minimum will leave the MFC with one of if not the best lists in terms of talent, (if not the best).....
But i dont think he deserved a contract extension (pre-seaon)

Lets wait until round 2 before we get crazy.....or maybe even mid season geez

i also think that the creator of this thread made good points regarding bailey needing to inspire players more....but lets see

 

[The Professor]

What you have said is true, but daniher took over an ageing team and made finals and a grand final no doubt, but he also left us with an equally old team not making the finals and which wasnt going to ever cut it with (Geelong)..... or others
Bailey takes over an ageing team and one which lacked class in respect to the premier teams in the comp, hasnt put any runs on the table (as yet)..... but at the very minimum will leave the MFC with one of if not the best lists in terms of talent, (if not the best).....

This. Daniher left the list the same way he found it. Even worse. That's is unacceptable.

If you're going to do that, you better hope to hell, you've got premierships and post 2000, we were that far off it, it wasn't funny. At least we've got the honour of best victorian team. Whooptie do.

As for DB, I don't know if he can coach, my gut feel is he is a developer rather then a tactician but when you've got B+ senior experience players, you are pushing shit uphill.

 

[cheney]

Only one round has gone by.

We played a very good side in Hawthorn, we were debuting
kids and put under the pump by a very good side.

Its a touch premature to sack Bailey after one round.

Realistically, we will probably be worse than last year,
also from what Ive seen all sides - maybe bar Richmond -
looked to of evened up with the top tier sides and got
stronger.

Give it time, injuries havent helped again.

Baileys done a great job cleaning out Danihers mess.

Dont give us that bullshit!! FACT: on the day, the hawks had a younger team with less games experience. There was no excuse whatsoever to be demolished like that.

 

[brock sylvia]

I agree with the two supporters here who backed up daniher. I have read on big footy lately and over the past year or so how bad he was and how much fo a mess he left the club in but the fact is when he was coaching we played finals footy and had some ****ing PASSION in the club.

Sure daniher was no tactical genius but you could tell how much he loved the club and with an average list with no superstars made finals 3 times in a row + 2 more finals series including a GF. I am prepared to give Bailey time and hopefully he can achieve somewhere in the future finals footy but until now it is completely unfair to bag out daniher and praise bailey.

Also thought i might mention the game in '05 against the doggies when jeff white kicked the winning goal. I was at that game and right near daniher when he came charging out of the box and you could see what it meant to him and the crowd that day was insane. I haven't seent eh saem sort of passion from melbourne supporters since daniher left and i feel that is largely due to the bland, boring portrayal of bailey in the media and in the coaches box.

Daniher was no genius, but id take him over bailey any day of the week for his love of the footy club.

 

[rhaz]

Brad Green in a few articles (AFL Website, Herald Sun) seemed to suggest that Bailey went nuts at them in the changerooms after the game... does it seem weird that if we have another terrible first quarter, that i want to see him publicly spray the players on the ground?

I just want to see more than him sitting in the box looking grumpy/upset. Even a malthouse-style move of coming out onto the boundary line with 2-4 minutes to go in a quarter/half. Let us see that you care Dean!

 

[merkinhere]

Are you Melbourne supporters serious?
Both teams were playing young sides including many first/second year players. I was at the game at firstly had melbourne scored a couple of those early opportunities in the first the game may have been very different. They would have had "some" pressure taken off them and the heads wouldn't have droppe as quickly.

The big difference between the two sides in Melbourne's talent and future are the young guys Frawley, Grimes, Scully, Trengove, Watts etc are not getting support from many of the senior players.

It surely must be easier for rookies/junior players playing in a team that has leaders. Ie Hawthorn had Hodge, Brown, Franklin, Roughead, Mitchell, Sewell - players who keep there head up despite scorelines and try to lift the whole team.

I think the finger needs to be seriously pointed at some of Melbourne's leadership group... Brad Green had heart all day will not criticise, but Miller, Davey, Moloney & Bruce go missing to often and provide little or no support to the developing players.

I think DB is working with a great potential list and has to look at playing all the rookie/junior and drop some of these guys...

I as supporter of another club would love to see the demons fire up again, but the older players need to lift their game.

 

[HFF]

It's a catch 22 situation in regards to Bailey.

On one side, he has the worst win/loss ratio of any coach.

On the other side, it's doubtful that much would change with a different coach looking at Melbourne's list.

The problem (IMO), is whilst Melbourne have recruited some talented youth to develop, they simply cannot be competitive if the established "core" senior players do not stand up and guide the young talent.

It's sad to say because these players have been terrific servants and warriors for Melbourne but they are either losing it fast or just don't have it anymore. Players such as Miller, Moloney, Jamar, Bruce, McDonald etc. They just don't have that same aura about them anymore- particularly the latter two.

There is also not one A-grader on Melbourne's list currently, particularly if you compare Melbourne's senior players to that of other teams' in the comp (excluding Richmond).

Bailey is in a very difficult situation, however, soon enough, patience will begin to run out and the pressure will intensify, moreso than it is at now. If he is not getting results, he needs to be getting "improvement" as an absolute minimum across the board- something that doesn't look like happening anytime soon at the moment.

 

[Dez!]

It's a catch 22 situation in regards to Bailey.

On one side, he has the worst win/loss ratio of any coach.

On the other side, it's doubtful that much would change with a different coach looking at Melbourne's list.

The problem (IMO), is whilst Melbourne have recruited some talented youth to develop, they simply cannot be competitive if the established "core" senior players do not stand up and guide the young talent.

It's sad to say because these players have been terrific servants and warriors for Melbourne but they are either losing it fast or just don't have it anymore. Players such as Miller, Moloney, Jamar, Bruce, McDonald etc. They just don't have that same aura about them anymore- particularly the latter two.

There is also not one A-grader on Melbourne's list currently, particularly if you compare Melbourne's senior players to that of other teams' in the comp (excluding Richmond).

Bailey is in a very difficult situation, however, soon enough, patience will begin to run out and the pressure will intensify, moreso than it is at now. If he is not getting results, he needs to be getting "improvement" as an absolute minimum across the board- something that doesn't look like happening anytime soon at the moment.

Aaron Davey and Brad Green beg to differ.

They aren't you Gary Ablett, Chris Judd, Joel Selwood A++ but they are A graders nonetheless.

 

[NatheM]

I feel for you Melbourne supporters, I honestly do.

Just not this Saturday of course, we need the % thanks.

Anyway, I think Melbourne are going to be a bottom 2 team untill they get a coach who knows the modern game.

Bailey just doesn't have what it takes in all areas of the game.

Recruiting - Although Melbourne have picked up some great young talent over the last 2 years, they have seriously messed up by de-listing a lot of players that didn't deserve it.
You need a decent crop of seniors on your list to help with the developement of the youngens.
My question is how are Melbourne going to develope there young talent without a good core of senior players to lead the way?
Coaches alone cannot develope youth.

Stratergy - Bailey is easily the worst coach since Tony Shaw in this area.
What the hell is Melbournes game plan?

Basically, it looks to me like he is trying to enforce a man's game plan upon teenagers.
Whereas I believe an Essendon style gameplan would suite Melbournes youth and speed a lot better.



I could go on, but the bottom line is the only posative thing he has done for your club is recruit some young talent.
It will be interesting to see how they develope.
And Melbourne has at least another 2 years of pain, whilst Bailey is in charge anyway.


You need a younger toughnut coach, like Matty Knights, Damian Hardwick and Brad Scott.
All of whom would of gotten Melbourne some finals action in the time Bailey has been in charge imo.