Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

[Chief]

Continued in Part Two:

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ask-a-christian-part-2.1295001/unread

 

[Total Power]

Well you’ve kicked a home goal. In a few posts above you were saying how evil God is and how His fruit stinks. Are you an atheist or agnostic?

The Isaiah 55 verse I quoted states that Gods ways are higher, a believer sits in faith and barely grasps Gods Grace or ways, what chance does an unbeliever have of grasping Gods ways, the creator of all you can and can’t see. Many posters in this thread have tried and most end up declaring there is no God.

You proved my point

How did something come from nothing?

No one on earth can create a cow, a blade of grass, an apple from nothing.

All non-believers show me one case of a created object being created in a lab that will self sustain and reproduce?

You disrespect the air we breath, the sun shining on a beautiful day, snow capped mountains, every day is a miracle.

I do read the Bible and apply it to my life, maybe you should start doing the same.

CHanging the goal posts now? you quoted the Bible out of context and caught with your pants down. No need to be angry at me, the questions you asked have been answered multiple times in this thread. I think Roylion have explained a million times alteast

 

[Total Power]

Did more people die last century in atheist wars, Stalin/Hitler certainly weren’t Christians, than the previous 1800 years?

Hitler wasn't an atheist, did the church tell you he was? Did you read Mein Kampf? Hitler believed in heaven, hell and spiritual service. He said many many times in Mein Kampf and also later on that he was sent by the heavens to do a service on earth, he throughly believed he was doing God's work.

Where did the * did you get the idea that he is an atheist? you can argue he is not a Christian and you will have some point there, but atheist? he wasn't.

Hitler wrote he think he is doing God's work by cleansing the Jews off the face of the planet. Where does anti-semitism stem from if not Religion? Own goal haha that's you.

At the very worst he was DEIST, definitely not an atheist, he used religion in his favour like many others did, but Atheist, he wasn't , he never denied there is a god, neither he outlawed religion, half of the catholics also voted for Hitler.

The number 1 historian alive who specialised on Hitler, Ian Kershaw says so.

Catholics played a major role in Nazi escapes after the war as well. You need to educate yourself.







There's more

"We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people."

-[Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich] ]

"The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were".... I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions."

-[Adolf Hitler, 26 April 1933, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich] ]

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so"

-[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

"…the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew."

-[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 11]


I can supply more if you wish to. You are struggling big time, HITLER WAS A CHRISTIAN, twisted one but he was a Christian who thought he was serving God by cleansing Jews off earth.

Yes that is the point I am making, take away Jesus/God and counterfeit gods/dictators take there place.

God is a dictator, what's the difference? Obey Jesus or rot in hell or obey Stalin or rot in hell. Remove God with another deity (human even), it's the same s**t.
Fuhrer means owner. Bible mentions Jesus is your owner and the slaves is waiting for their owner to come.

Exactly same logic as Hitlers. Knock yourself out, God or Hitler, same s**t. Don't worship anyone, don't follow any ideology.

 

[Total Power]

Absolutely.
Wait until Roy comes up with his retorts.
With all our science and technology, nobody can do what God has done, plus he allows "progress" and free will.
What we are living through now is a message in many ways.
What younposted the other day was profound.
I hope they read it again.

So still avoiding my question... there is a reason why you always reply with ad homs and never on the subject. As i said you are fooling no one

Head in sand, he quoted Isiah which carries NO MEANING what he suggested. You are either ignorant or a moron, i am starting to feeling you are both. What is so profound about the verse he posted, lets hear it.

This thread should have been called Help a Christian and not Ask a question, judging by your response, let me start by helping you choose your excuses.





Both you and your mate above been caught with their pants down, your mate quoted Isiah and got shown up for it, his response? Insult me plus one of these verses above.. Why do you blame me for showing you up? you never are able to debate me on the scriptures cause

1. You dont care about if the verse is made up the Catholic Church you either don't care or it's ignorance.
2. You don't care when the verse was put in there and by whom and at what date and if it got anything to do with the original manuscripts.
3. You don't care if the verse you quoted was out of context - you immediately get defensive instead of defending your argument
4. You also don't care when people show how illogical your belief system is.

You don't even care that you do these 4 things. I told you for the 100th time 'let the first person without sin throw the first stone' IS NOT AN ORIGINAL BIBLICAL QUOTE. It should NOT be in the Bible. You ignored all that, is it cause you don't care or something else? i am really curious.

I am asking you for one last time, IS REMARRYING adultery? YES OR NO will do.

Jesus Christ indeed.

 

[Evolved1]

We know your interpretation of God. You have expressed your beliefs like a zealot, which is fine. Yet you fail to convince those of us who believe, despite your protestations, and "evidence". Your interpretation seems very negative and angry, and based on your studies after falling out.

Dubsy the Christian warrior who can't be convinced out of his faith by evidence.

You seriously are a sad case. I feel for your lostness. Reading your rants is a confirmation to me how lost you are, and sadly, we are not getting through to you. Jesus said nothing about hell, just a reminder that sin is what separates a saved person,or any person, from proper fellowship with God, until he confesses his unrighteousness.

Regarding adultery,
According to the gospels, Jesus quoted the book of Genesis regarding the divine origin of the marriage relationship, concluding, "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, no man must separate.” Jesus dismissed expedient provisions allowing for divorce for nearly any reason, and cited sexual immorality (a breaking of the marriage covenant) as the only reason why a person may divorce without committing adultery. The Apostle Paul similarly taught . So what is your issue about adultery? It is one of the 10 Commandments.
What did Jesus say to those accusing the woman of adultery? Let him who is without blame throw the first stone. Nobody did. He said to her, go and sin no more.

Dubsy the Christian warrior is saddened that nobody is convinced by his lack of evidence.

Dunno about the rest of you, but I find evidence far more convincing than a lack of evidence. Sorry Dubsy.

 

[Total Power]

Dubsy the Christian warrior who can't be convinced out of his faith by evidence.
Dubsy the Christian warrior is saddened that nobody is convinced by his lack of evidence.

Dunno about the rest of you, but I find evidence far more convincing than a lack of evidence. Sorry Dubsy.

One of these 10, always. Na na na na na na ...i am not hearing you but these 10.

 

[Vdubs]

So you decided to have a go at me AGAIN, instead of the content of my post? you apparently know so much more about the Bible than i do, but you never seem to argue against me, except , lost soul, you are searching, repent and other 2nd hand car salesmen tagline. You are absolutely fooling no one.

Again, all you have done is duck from answering my question, can you please answer my question, is divorce and re-marriage an adultery? yes or no will do.

Even if you are right about your verse you are still wrong, Jesus said sinners can't judge or punish for sins, god can. How many times will you be wrong in this thread VD?

Already answered.
Adultery is one of the 10 Commandments. Already said what I said; read it again.
Do you have issues with adultery as a sin? If you are after a pedantic argument, not interested. It is self- explanatory what constitutes adultery.

 

[Total Power]

Already answered.
Adultery is one of the 10 Commandments. Already said what I said; read it again.
Do you have issues with adultery as a sin? If you are after a pedantic argument, not interested. It is self- explanatory what constitutes adultery.

Can you answer it again, is remarriage adultery? yes or no.

 

[Vdubs]

Can you answer it again, is remarriage adultery? yes or no.

Give me some examples. I am not God.

 

[Total Power]

Give me some examples. I am not God.

How much clearer you want it to be?

10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. 11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”


or

Matthew 19:8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hardness of heart; but it was not this way from the beginning. 9Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman, commits adultery.” 10His disciples said to Him, “If this is the case between a man and his wife, it is better not to marry.”

 

[Evolved1]

Did more people die last century in atheist wars, Stalin/Hitler certainly weren’t Christians, than the previous 1800 years?

Yes that is the point I am making, take away Jesus/God and counterfeit gods/dictators take there place.

We are born to worship, choose very wisely.

You think you refute my points, when you in fact reinforce them, so thanks again.

Saying that wars were fought because of a lack of belief in sky pixies is a silly argument. You may as well argue that people kill each other because they don't eat vegemite. There's no evidence that biblegod, Stalin or Hitler ever ate vegemite...so there's your link. A lack of vegemite makes people kill each other.

Catholicism was the most predominant religion in Nazi Germany wasn't it?

 

[Vdubs]

Dubsy the Christian warrior who can't be convinced out of his faith by evidence.
Dubsy the Christian warrior is saddened that nobody is convinced by his lack of evidence.

Dunno about the rest of you, but I find evidence far more convincing than a lack of evidence. Sorry Dubsy.

We don't need evidence. Faith.
And until you heroes can explain and prove how we came to be, God is the answer.
Your theories do not stack up.
Nothing comes from nothing.

 

[Boston tiger]

Dubsy the Christian warrior who can't be convinced out of his faith by evidence.
Dubsy the Christian warrior is saddened that nobody is convinced by his lack of evidence.

Dunno about the rest of you, but I find evidence far more convincing than a lack of evidence. Sorry Dubsy.

It might be that you just don’t have the type of intelligence to see God. Most life forms can’t so you aren’t alone.
Can’t see the forest for the leaves sort of thing.
You and Jack and TP don’t come across as the most intuitive types if you know what I mean.

 

[Evolved1]

Absolutely.
Wait until Roy comes up with his retorts.
With all our science and technology, nobody can do what God has done, plus he allows "progress" and free will.
What we are living through now is a message in many ways.
What younposted the other day was profound.
I hope they read it again.

Mate, it's not that god allows progress. He's being steamrolled by it.

 

[Vdubs]

How much clearer you want it to be?

10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. 11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”


or

Matthew 19:8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hardness of heart; but it was not this way from the beginning. 9Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman, commits adultery.” 10His disciples said to Him, “If this is the case between a man and his wife, it is better not to marry.”

You have your answer. Go figure.
And I mean, go figure.
Except for sexual immorality.

 

[Vdubs]

Mate, it's not that god allows progress. He's being steamrolled by it.

The world is how it is by progress. You are a living witness to the repercussions of Godless living.
That's what attracted me to this thread.

 

[Boston tiger]

Saying that wars were fought because of a lack of belief in sky pixies is a silly argument. You may as well argue that people kill each other because they don't eat vegemite. There's no evidence that biblegod, Stalin or Hitler ever ate vegemite...so there's your link. A lack of vegemite makes people kill each other.

Catholicism was the most predominant religion in Nazi Germany wasn't it?

Majority would have been classed as Lutheran . 1933 20million Catholic .. 40 million Protestants.

 

[Evolved1]

We don't need evidence. Faith.
And until you heroes can explain and prove how we came to be, God is the answer.
Your theories do not stack up.
Nothing comes from nothing.

Which is why we'll never agree on the issue. I'd rather admit that I don't know than pretend I do and say goddidit.

 

[Vdubs]

Which is why we'll never agree on the issue. I'd rather admit that I don't know than pretend I do and say goddidit.

Really sensible.
Believe in nothing rather than God who actually did create all things.
Your choice.

 

[Evolved1]

It might be that you just don’t have the type of intelligence to see God. Most life forms can’t so you aren’t alone.
Can’t see the forest for the leaves sort of thing.
You and Jack and TP don’t come across as the most intuitive types if you know what I mean.

I hear the same arguments from spruikers of other forms of pseudoscience too.

An atheist got angry with me when I told them there's no afterlife. Kids love a good fairytale, and most people never grow out of that immature mentality.

 

[Total Power]

You have your answer. Go figure.
And I mean, go figure.
Except for sexual immorality.

So if someone mutually agree to separate and part ways (people are not compatible, it happens), they don't have the right to marry and be happy again cause they will be adulterers? in the same bracket as a rapist or a pedo?

Is this what you believe in? People separate for various reasons , you are not interested in that, people must stay married even if they are unahppy and killing themselves for it cause Jesus said so? what then is the difference between you and Nazis who believed every word Hitler said?

This was my point to your Christian made who said dictators are not Christian, but they use exactly the same logic as your God. You believe in that cause Jesus said so, no consideration for anything else, this is why your beliefs are dangerous and radical.

If so, you will make a typical orthodox Hindu, i know plenty.

Divorce is a sin, but slavery....all clear there.

Hence my point, we are in 2021, not 150 AD. You guys really need to catch up.

 

[Total Power]

The world is how it is by progress. You are a living witness to the repercussions of Godless living.
That's what attracted me to this thread.

Like the most peaceful time in human history? You have provided the perfect example of why godless is a great thing, or moving away from any ideology (even communism), is a great thing. We have more education, more peace, more wealth equality, more freedom, less racism, no slavery.

Why change then?

You have destroyed your own argument.

 

[AdamE89]

Not taking the piss, I just love discussing in my opinion the most confusing part of the religion, which was the reason I became a Christian but also the reason I gave up on it because it made ZERO sense after thinking about it properly. well technically it’s not a Q but an opinion based on your understanding of scripture I guess...

The following picture is...





a) well there is only 1 God, so true.





b) 3 persons, so the word ‘you’ means this is false





c) listen you, it’s a divine mystery, we don’t know?!?





d) all of the above?

 

[Vdubs]

Like the most peaceful time in human history? You have provided the perfect example of why godless is a great thing, or moving away from any ideology (even communism), is a great thing. We have more education, more peace, more wealth equality, more freedom, less racism, no slavery.

Why change then?

You have destroyed your own argument.

YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS...?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS...?

Do you still believe in Santa Claus?

 

[Vdubs]

So if someone mutually agree to separate and part ways (people are not compatible, it happens), they don't have the right to marry and be happy again cause they will be adulterers? in the same bracket as a rapist or a pedo?

Is this what you believe in? People separate for various reasons , you are not interested in that, people must stay married even if they are unahppy and killing themselves for it cause Jesus said so? what then is the difference between you and Nazis who believed every word Hitler said?

This was my point to your Christian made who said dictators are not Christian, but they use exactly the same logic as your God. You believe in that cause Jesus said so, no consideration for anything else, this is why your beliefs are dangerous and radical.

If so, you will make a typical orthodox Hindu, i know plenty.

Divorce is a sin, but slavery....all clear there.

Hence my point, we are in 2021, not 150 AD. You guys really need to catch up.

These are all your comments to yourself, written, and authorised by you.
Why not discuss marriage, and whether they are God ordained Christian marriages before you start jumping at your own shadows.
People who actually have genuine Christian marriages believe that God has placed them together, that 2 become 1, and that no man should separate them. No we all know that even in Christian marriages there are reasons for concern at times. Christians are far from perfect, and who knows what issues arise.
If there are irreconcilable differences, there are certainly reasons for divorce. Not to Divorce itself was not a Commandment. If adultery leads to divorce, well there you go.
God is the judge at the end of the day, why worry about such issues.