Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

[Chief]

Continued in Part Two:

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ask-a-christian-part-2.1295001/unread

 

[Evolved1]

For many of us here, the whole exercise of faith is the problem. It is believing something to be true because you want it to be true, backed up with no more than confirmation bias. Many people posting in this thread, like me, grew up in a Christian household and attended regular church services, but could never make it work as adults.

The whole bit about having preconceived and haughty ideas is misplaced. For me, it was only after faith didn't work that I started studying critical scholarship of the bible and early church history. If you study it, the whole idea of Christianity emerging fully formed and complete in the decade or two after the 33 CE seems unrealistic, and those that cling to it seem preconceived and haughty. It is quite clear that Christianity took a couple of centuries to fully mature, and that it is the collective works of man over several generations who carefully wrote, rewrote, redacted, edited, added and merged the texts.

The idea that there's one form of true Christianity is misguided. Those who call themselves true believers generally follow one of the more modern interpretations in fundamentalism.

 

[Total Power]

The idea that there's one form of true Christianity is misguided. Those who call themselves true believers generally follow one of the more modern interpretations in fundamentalism.

Exactly and this is the same as Islam, Sunnis and Shias dominate and anyone who disagrees with them is not a real Muslim. You can see plenty of example in this thread about resurrection, how Jesus' resurrection is real and how miracles in every other religion is false. This is not unique to Christianity, this cult mentality exists amongst all fundamentalists across all religions who parrots the same line basically "My path is the right path, my god is the right god, everyone else who disagrees with me are misguided". This is the reason why despite not being an atheist, i stay far away from organised religion.

 

[Evolved1]

Exactly and this is the same as Islam, Sunnis and Shias dominate and anyone who disagrees with them is not a real Muslim. You can see plenty of example in this thread about resurrection, how Jesus' resurrection is real and how miracles in every other religion is false. This is not unique to Christianity, this cult mentality exists amongst all fundamentalists across all religions who parrots the same line basically "My path is the right path, my god is the right god, everyone else who disagrees with me are misguided". This is the reason why despite not being an atheist, i stay far away from organised religion.

We're of a similar mindset in that regard. If there is a form of absolute truth in this world, I see no evidence that anyone has found it; least of all those who claim ownership of the truth and spruik its benefits to the rest of us.

People should be given the freedom to find their own place of happiness in this world and for some that will be through Christianity or Islam because what works for one will not necessarily work for another.

I personally enjoy going to nudist beaches, though I'm respectful enough towards the wants of others to wear pants when I'm at a shopping center. Religion should be treated the same way because some people don't want to see your Jesus or Mohammed out in public, and even less want Jesus shoved down their throats. If religious folk would keep Jesus in their pants, there would be no need for antitheism.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Exactly and this is the same as Islam, Sunnis and Shias dominate and anyone who disagrees with them is not a real Muslim. You can see plenty of example in this thread about resurrection, how Jesus' resurrection is real and how miracles in every other religion is false. This is not unique to Christianity, this cult mentality exists amongst all fundamentalists across all religions who parrots the same line basically "My path is the right path, my god is the right god, everyone else who disagrees with me are misguided". This is the reason why despite not being an atheist, i stay far away from organised religion.

Agreed.
The word atheist is absurd, it shouldn’t exist, we don’t have a word for people that don’t believe in dragons, unicorns, fairies etc.
Anti-theist, now that’s a title worthy of anyone not adhering to their collective BS!

 

[Vdubs]

We're of a similar mindset in that regard. If there is a form of absolute truth in this world, I see no evidence that anyone has found it; least of all those who claim ownership of the truth and spruik its benefits to the rest of us.

People should be given the freedom to find their own place of happiness in this world and for some that will be through Christianity or Islam because what works for one will not necessarily work for another.

I personally enjoy going to nudist beaches, though I'm respectful enough towards the wants of others to wear pants when I'm at a shopping center. Religion should be treated the same way because some people don't want to see your Jesus or Mohammed out in public, and even less want Jesus shoved down their throats. If religious folk would keep Jesus in their pants, there would be no need for antitheism.

EXCEPT THIS THREAD IS FOR ASKING WHAT CHRISTIANS BELIEVE.
Anyone who has found the truth in Christianity is compelled to spread the word.
It's understandable the motives that bring Christians here, and it's also very clear the motives behind you so-called anti-theists coming here.

 

[Total Power]

EXCEPT THIS THREAD IS FOR ASKING WHAT CHRISTIANS BELIEVE.
Anyone who has found the truth in Christianity is compelled to spread the word.
It's understandable the motives that bring Christians here, and it's also very clear the motives behind you so-called anti-theists coming here.

Except you and pick and choose what to answer and what not to.

Your 2nd line is pretty much highlights the problem in the Islamic world today and the problem with religion in general over the past 2,000 years. Your truth, not anyone elses, Christianity has been spread by sword, just like Islam, read a page or two of history to see how 'compelling' the spread became.If you guys would live and let live, we wouldn't be arguing here today

 

[Vdubs]

The idea that there's one form of true Christianity is misguided. Those who call themselves true believers generally follow one of the more modern interpretations in fundamentalism.

The basics of Christianity implies belief in the resurrection, the Trinity, and accepting that Jesus is the only way to God.
It does not matter what sort of Christianity you refer to. Even Catholicism has this as its basis.

 

[Vdubs]

Except you and pick and choose what to answer and what not to.

Your 2nd line is pretty much highlights the problem in the Islamic world today and the problem with religion in general over the past 2,000 years. Your truth, not anyone elses, Christianity has been spread by sword, just like Islam, read a page or two of history to see how 'compelling' the spread became.If you guys would live and let live, we wouldn't be arguing here today

I know my limitations.

Christianity continues to be spread by evangelism.

 

[Total Power]

I know my limitations.

Christianity continues to be spread by evangelism.

Yes i am aware, i have been called a devil by a fair few of them in the Zurich main street. I go the other way when i see you nutjobs.

 

[Toump Ass]

OK back on topic- I have questions for our "brothers and sisters in christ"

1. Were you (or are you still) embarrassed by the actions of the evangelical "brothers and sisters in christ" and their behaviour as a result of Trump losing the (rigged) election? Ken Copeland who cured Coronavirus via satellite and his unhinged laughter, Paula-White Cain ("We lose confusion into every demonic confederacy!")
2. Have you ever spoken in tongues? I got high one day and I reckon I was not making sense, I thought at the time too much pinger, cocaine and "devil drink!" but now I am thinking, was God was speaking through me?
3. Have you ever gone to church and had Paster Whoever It Is do a bible reading and think "nah he's cooked that one. That's not what God was trying to say there".
4. Why is God such a campaigner? I mean all that Fire and Brimstone or that time he just drowned everyone on the planet, that shit is brutal. That dude in Avengers Endgame, all he did was click his fingers, that's what God could have done, instead he's crushing babies with rocks from the sky. That's ****ed up.
5. Who would win in a fight- Samson or The Rock?

 

[Total Power]

OK back on topic- I have questions for our "brothers and sisters in christ"

1. Were you (or are you still) embarrassed by the actions of the evangelical "brothers and sisters in christ" and their behaviour as a result of Trump losing the (rigged) election? Ken Copeland who cured Coronavirus via satellite and his unhinged laughter, Paula-White Cain ("We lose confusion into every demonic confederacy!")
2. Have you ever spoken in tongues? I got high one day and I reckon I was not making sense, I thought at the time too much pinger, cocaine and "devil drink!" but now I am thinking, was God was speaking through me?
3. Have you ever gone to church and had Paster Whoever It Is do a bible reading and think "nah he's cooked that one. That's not what God was trying to say there".
4. Why is God such a campaigner? I mean all that Fire and Brimstone or that time he just drowned everyone on the planet, that sh*t is brutal. That dude in Avengers Endgame, all he did was click his fingers, that's what God could have done, instead he's crushing babies with rocks from the sky. That's f’ed up.
5. Who would win in a fight- Samson or The Rock?

Mysterious ways brother, mysterious ways! just accept Jesus already.

Benefits in Bitcoins?

 

[Evolved1]

The basics of Christianity implies belief in the resurrection, the Trinity, and accepting that Jesus is the only way to God.
It does not matter what sort of Christianity you refer to. Even Catholicism has this as its basis.

Some people think beyond the basics.

 

[Total Power]

Some people think beyond the basics.

Well he was picking on someone for quoting wikipedia...

nek minit...biblical flood cause Bible said so.

 

[Evolved1]

EXCEPT THIS THREAD IS FOR ASKING WHAT CHRISTIANS BELIEVE.
Anyone who has found the truth in Christianity is compelled to spread the word.
It's understandable the motives that bring Christians here, and it's also very clear the motives behind you so-called anti-theists coming here.

If I self-identified as a believer of and started a thread on the topic of asking a reptilian conspiracy theorist about what they believe, how do you think that would go?

If you post stupid shit and get called out for it, that doesn't prove you are right. It just proves that you're stupid.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Except you and pick and choose what to answer and what not to.

Your 2nd line is pretty much highlights the problem in the Islamic world today and the problem with religion in general over the past 2,000 years. Your truth, not anyone elses, Christianity has been spread by sword, just like Islam, read a page or two of history to see how 'compelling' the spread became.If you guys would live and let live, we wouldn't be arguing here today

EXCEPT THIS THREAD IS FOR ASKING WHAT CHRISTIANS BELIEVE.
Anyone who has found the truth in Christianity is compelled to spread the word.
It's understandable the motives that bring Christians here, and it's also very clear the motives behind you so-called anti-theists coming here.

Wait for it.......
Verse 34. "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send [or bring] peace, but a sword."
Yeh, ummmm.... yikes, the dude ****ed up there big time, he was a tyrant, just like mohammed!!

 

[Vdubs]

Some people think beyond the basics.

Don't THINK.
DO!

 

[Vdubs]

If I self-identified as a believer of and started a thread on the topic of asking a reptilian conspiracy theorist about what they believe, how do you think that would go?

If you post stupid sh*t and get called out for it, that doesn't prove you are right. It just proves that you're stupid.

Less than a page of responses, as opposed to 347 pages and nearly 10000 posts

 

[Vdubs]

Wait for it.......
Verse 34. "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send [or bring] peace, but a sword."
Yeh, ummmm.... yikes, the dude f’ed up there big time, he was a tyrant, just like mohammed!!

Verse 34 of what?

 

[Total Power]

Verse 34 of what?

If someone preacher told me, you should love me more than my father mother and family, i would tell him to get farked without lube.

 

[Total Power]

Less than a page of responses, as opposed to 347 pages and nearly 10000 posts

No other context matters to you, outside of 'i have faith' , you have basically replied the same thing over the past 100 pages. You dont wish to discuss the historical context of the verse, you don't wish to discuss other interpretations of the verse, you don't wish to discuss other christian sects who hold different beliefs than yours, its my way or the highway for you. You ask other people to have an open mind but all other religions are not true according to you except yours. You ask other people to consider different possibilities except what they believe in but you are open to none, no other religion can be true or their miracles could be true, cause you and your types said so? You have displayed nothing but ignorance in this thread, just like your mates heres who tried to claim history is on his side but failed miserably.

 

[Total Power]

Wait for it.......
Verse 34. "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send [or bring] peace, but a sword."
Yeh, ummmm.... yikes, the dude f’ed up there big time, he was a tyrant, just like mohammed!!

My favourite is:

25 Many people were traveling with Jesus. He said to them, 26 “If you come to me but will not leave your family, you cannot be my follower. You must love me more than your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters—even more than your own life! 27 Whoever will not carry the cross that is given to them when they follow me cannot be my follower.


Imagine a bloke claiming to be a messiah coming to you and telling you this? i will try to find a thing to shove up the unementionable.

 

[Evolved1]

Don't THINK.
DO!

The only thing stopping me from banging any organic matter with or without a pulse is my intellect.

Do you really want to encourage me?

 

[Evolved1]

Less than a page of responses, as opposed to 347 pages and nearly 10000 posts

If you **** over enough people, you'll get a sizeable response. That's the Trump MO.

I would love to start up my own cult. Our selling point could be that marriage between people of faith is abhorrent, a crime punishable by eternal ridicule. It's a merciful judgement.

Any educated and logical person should consider the costs and benefits associated with legalising marriage between religious people. It's a slippery slope towards allowing interspecies marriage.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Verse 34 of what?

lol, I thought you were a christian, it’s one of the most powerful verses in the entire book, Jesus apparently said it, isn’t Jesus the way the life the etc to you?
Shouldn’t you know Matthew 10:34?
He didn’t come to bring peace he came to bring a sword.
Just like his brother prophet Mohammed, another psycho that heard voices and made up an elaborate story about the angel Gabriel, the Muslims call him Gibril, he gave Mohammed all of the rules your god wished to impart onto humanity, probably more than your boy actually.
Cults, funny things from the outside, but ****ing dangerous.
Jesus wasn’t the son of a non existent god, he was most likely a schizophrenic or someone that suffered from epilepsy, many epileptics have visions when they have a seizure, they see all types of strange phenomena, they hear angels singing and the voices of gods etc.
Many scholars have quoted lines from the quran and cited that that is what Mohammed most likely suffered from, a mild form of epilepsy.
So either Jesus was a schizophrenic or an epileptic, he probably didn’t deserve to be crucified for it, but he sure as hell doesn’t exist, didn’t rise from the dead.
Anyways, the garden of Eden didn’t exist, nor was their ever a first man and woman, nor a talking snake, so the whole premise of redemption through a sacrificial lamb thing is not necessary, you’re entire world view is full of shit!
Sorry guv, you’re living a lie, maybe try yoga or Pilates or surfing instead, you’ll get over it soon enough, most people do!

Here’s a link to the god seizure if you’re in anyway interested or open minded, as you’ve suggested?!

Finding God in a seizure: the link between temporal lobe epilepsy and mysticism - ABC listen

Mystics have often claimed to experience visions and trance-like states they say come directly from God. There's now speculation that these visions may have been hallucinations brought on by epilepsy.

www.abc.net.au

 

[chelseacarlton]

My favourite is:

25 Many people were traveling with Jesus. He said to them, 26 “If you come to me but will not leave your family, you cannot be my follower. You must love me more than your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters—even more than your own life! 27 Whoever will not carry the cross that is given to them when they follow me cannot be my follower.


Imagine a bloke claiming to be a messiah coming to you and telling you this? i will try to find a thing to shove up the unementionable.

I’ve discussed this verse with many christians, all they have is, “oh your taking that out of context, you’re interpreting it wrong”,
Same old same old.
It’s amongst the most hideous piece of religious literature in all of history and utterly proves that their man made religion, son and god are cults, no more no less, cults.
Christianity IS A CULT, anyone that belongs to a christian organisation is being FLEECED, that’s why they’re sometimes referred to as a FLOCK, what do they do to the sheep?